Unless there is the Gummy Bear God and in order to get to heaven you need to eat the most gummy bears and then heaven is all yours.

no its chocolate gummy bears that's they key all the rest are the devils candy!

no its chocolate gummy bears that's they key all the rest are the devils candy!

Unfortunately i dont have all the answers, but i know enough to have faith, after all im just a lowly human being not the creator of life as we know it. I dont argue timelines because i wasnt alive to witness it. It all sounds so impossible and because you were not equipped with the understanding and knowledge you refute the existence of your creator. How could you expect to have all the answers if you were not the one who designed it all?

Funny how you all attempt to reverse engineer our very existence. Its like watching an ant trying to build a colony himself.

Calling Braden.... What drugs did you sell syko?
Should we be worried? He did make a trip to the middle east recently. Maybe the FBI that watches this site will monitor him.

So do any of you actually believe if you are not a Christian (or fill in any other religion) you won’t go to heaven (if there is such a thing)?

Religion was createed by people so they can have ‘life after death’ almost all religinos that I know of (and im no schollar of religions) have some sort of enternal life in one form or another. There is no proof that your consciousness continues after death of the brain.

Also lets consider that the modern Human has been around for 10,000 some years why in the world would a religion that is a few thousand years old be the end all be all? Also consider a person born in say China, good person that grew up in a society with different beliefs are you saying he will go to hell because he wasnt born in a society that thinks like you do?

Stolen from another site. Kinda sums it up for me.

Pascal's Wager.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager


God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives.
A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
You must wager (it is not optional). (Because you exist)
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.

Or to put it another way
"If I believe and am wrong, you, a non believer, and I share the same fate in the end"

"But if I believe, and I am right, we will not share the same fate in the end"




Not all church goers are mindless obedient servants.

Hawk if you're just hedging your bet are you truly a believer?

That's exactly what I was saying. If your faith is based on a "just in case there is a God and I picked the right one" thought process, then your faith is shaky (to say the least).

Besides, atheists are covered by other religions like hinduism and buddhism. Karma doesn't even care if you believe in their gods, you're still gonna die and be reborn as something thus fulfilling the life cycle of Samsara. I'll get to Nirvana some day though, im just having too much fun as a butterfly. Nobody ever suspects... the Butterfly...

Hawk, I actually think Blaise Pascal's Wager is quite interesting (I read his "Thoughts" just last year). But, his premise that if he is wrong he loses nothing and non-believers lose everything is wrong based on the argument from chocolate gummy bears we highlighted earlier in this thread.

I personally don't have problems with any believers so long as they don't want to kill me for being an atheist. Thanks to the Enlightenment, that doesn't really happen in Christianity. I think belief is fine so long as there is accountability. In fact, many of my favourite people are or were deeply religious.

For me, though, even if there was irrefutable proof of a creator, I'm not sure why I would worship him. Will AI worship humanity when we finally create self-conscious AI? We'd be the equivalent of gods to them, no? I don't think creation is enough reason to worship. And any god that wanted me to worship him day in day out in exchange for a golden ticket to heaven under threat of eternal fire and brimstone is barking up the wrong tree. I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Btw, Syko, I found your mom on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeZ88Rn0Sks

That's the thing. I'm a biologist and have studied genetics and evolution. While not my strong suit I believe there is a God. I don't believe this all happened by chance.
Saying I will go to church to ensure I am going to go to heaven is asinine. In my religion we believe Jesus died for our sins and to accept him as our lord and savior will save us.

All religions believe in different ways to get to heaven and I put trusting faith into my religion.

I’ve always liked how Einstein viewed it:

http://bigthink.com/...-genius-thought-about-god

Creation or random chance are not the only possibilities here. Abiogenesis is neither chance or design.
The formation of biological polymers from monomers is a function of the laws of chemistry and biochemistry, and these are decidedly not random.
Life came to be on Earth because the conditions were right. Only when life already existed did evolution kick in.
On places where these conditions were never met, there is no life, and no one to contemplate such things.

So to us, the observers and participants, it looks like a designed universe, because the conditions are just right for us to exist. But that is faulty reverse engineering.

https://www.goodreads.com/...u-imagine-a-puddle-waking

I know the three theories of life coming to be are abiogenesis, deep thermal vents, and outside source ie metor.
Abiogenesis was a proven theory by a scientist using sterile flask and trying to predict what the atomsphere was like. The problem I think arises is the formation of RNA. Tried asking my biochem professor about how the formation of rna came about, and it is something that is still theorized as coming to be.

Couldn't a creator create this molecule needed for replication to get the ball rolling?

And cell theory has an interesting rule. All cells must arise from a pre existing cell. Where did the first cell come from?

This is why I love science so many theories.


Sorry for being everywhere essays and reports are not my strong suit, and I tend to be everywhere.

Hawk you can be the guy to discover it! It is ine of our greatest questions :)

Is it not also fascinating that a bunch of non living atoms can make up a person which is living!

Heck no. Cell bio, molecular, and biochem while interesting are not my passion. I love ecology. Something about being out in nature.

The Universe is incredibly vain. It created living creatures to look at itself. Narcissistic Universe.