wow hanglong you really are whinny

I wonder...really wonder what would you and LaF do IF PDM DID leave the game?

you will have LG another alliance heavily and quite...then what?


BTW wth would you do with a members name? you most likely don't know the member especially if the member is new, so the name is pointless, it wouldn't do anything for you except make youself feel better

I'm done for the night..just remember you, as LaF leadership, lied about collusion...and i an gunna go do flip flops in the floor..If you can't handle FA, you done LaF a justice by quitting...

so you are on a witch hunt..... you already came out with the complete destuction of PDM this set with the help of RD Which you knew was going to FS PDM

yet you still want a name?

what next? you want council/head access to PDM to make yourself happy? want to be Co-President lol

you are most likely not going to get a name, let alone the person's ISP or any other ID of the member

(Is not in leadership, is not even playing so can't see members names so doesn't care, just you are acting like a baby) :D

want to be Co-President lol

As Hanlong already pointed out, PDM was not the only alliance grabbed during that time PDM likes to bring up so much (aka the "17 hits in 24 hours" period).

If you actually bother to check out news, you'll see that Fire, Sanct, ICN, and even to a certain extend Evo were also grabbed fairly extensive during that same period. So, once again has hanlong already pointed out, I don't see how PDM can argue they were being specifically targeted. The news indicates otherwise.

that would be Detmer, Balin, Drow, and Snawdog (hell I don't even know our leadership structure anymore)

and I'm going to say you are most likely wrong

and accusing Mike is really childish

but this whole problem seems childisn and is playing out like a bunch of children so that accusation isn't surprising :)

I've said it in this thread 3 times now, but i'll say it again, LaF farming the whole of pdm indescriminantly is an appropiate responce for PDM's retal policy. PDM's retal policy is contrarty to 10 years of accepted retal policies, if you want to make it a server standard, you'll have to fight for it, because there is no reason for other alliances to accept it, seeing as it's painfuly stupid policy and reguardless of what you claim, it does not open up grabbing.

LaF clearly had a problem with your policy, they took action with reguards to it. You just said your self LaF should declare war on you. Is farming you not essentially the same? They didnt fs you conventionally, but they set a time and date where members could all start farming you at will. You're suggesting that they are wrong for farming and at the same time saying that they should have fs'd you? you're contradicting your self detmer.

And you say i cant see logic...

You never tagkilled us. And the only reason we "breezed" through was because SoF wasn't willing to fight us and asked us for a ceasefire 2 days after we FSed them. I'm not sure why you even decided to being the stuff about EVO up in a thread focusing on PDM, RD, and LaF.




*shrugs* Since *someone* decided to bring up Evo where he had no business bringing up Evo:

Evolution has done this multiple times in its history. We call it 'preserving our netting reset'. You don't hear us complaining about farming and being retalled with missiles on AT very often. When we find out we've farmed someone too heavily, we don't say "well, our policy is right, and your policy doesn't matter; in fact, your policy doesn't even exist to us because your policy is WRONG'. We don't go blindly believing that our retal policy will somehow protect us from whatever someone decides to throw at us.

We strive to work with other alliances, and sometimes even other COUNTRIES, to make concessions that make both parties happy. We don't go retalling someone else's 'retals' because our policy dictates that we can. That's what threatens to get us in war, and we don't want that during a netting reset. Most of the time, we have to back down so our members can continue to net peacefully and obtain our ANW crown every reset. Sure, some of our members will complain that we didn't stand up to someone when we should have, but they soon realize the wisdom of Evo not throwing our weight around...

that would make sense.

i know detmer almost wanted to make PDM a LaF suicide brigade that comes every reset.

since they were already on a suicide mission, they basically "suicided" this reset and dedicate their efforts to try to fling LaF's reputation in the mud in front of the AT community.

as just a member snawdog, you don't know fluff about the real politics of the server.

I am the reason PDM didn't do that. There was no desire to lead or play the same old boring way. I revitalized PDM's spirit and kept us off the streets.

PDM is about playing for fun. We are tired of playing the same old "standard" way like we have for a decade. We are standing up for a more exciting style of play. I can understand how netters might not like our desire to utilize all means of retaliation at our disposal as it leads to greater expenses on their countries. Honestly if everyone wargained every set it would still allow netters the best chance to succeed but then they'd be prepared for anything. Regardless, sure things are not in the same stable political structure that they have been for years... PDM enjoys making that change and that is what there is to it. We recognize your right to reject it and we will fight over it. I am sure it is frustrating for people that we don't mind dying and aren't even inclined to really have traditional warfare over it generally.

The whole reason this thing even seemed to get so vicious is due to all of the AT trash. I blame locket for not being in the loop and throwing out baseless accusations which forced us to defend our actions against you guys and thus dragging you into it. I don't mind it and that is why PDMers are allowed to post freely on AT... but I thin locket is truly the root of this. =P

Is MiM playing?! Hahaha! I remember that guy!

and why are you reviled again ORKIN?

haha.

Well Orkin, there is a difference between recognizing how people think/feel about us, and feeling that those beliefs are justified.

I don't believe us to be as evil as a lot of others argue. We treat this game like a business, we try to get as much as we can and give as little as we can back. Essentially, we do what we need to do to win.

I'll never feel guilty about that. Afterall, at the end of the day this is a game. As much as the current generation has been raised to believe "win or lose, whats important is that you have fun" I personally do not concur. Winning is a lot more fun than losing, and in LaF we play to win :P

Damn blackberry. Seems lord t's initials are copy paste