(sug) curb fascist oil destock slightly

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 19:41:58

Dropping of acres should cost, at all acres, the price it took to destroy your first acre.

Building destroy cost should not lessen. If you want to drop 35k acres times 21465$ then it should cost that money.

This oil destock and landtrade fluff is trust. Lets get some anti trust up in this joint.

You want the production of 160k acres then you jave to pay full price not a curve sloping downward.

Also alliances shouldnt be allowed to act contradictory to the games interests. The robber baron, did i mention anti trust?

Sol gets deleted for driving players away through late set netter blindsides.

Laf and md get capped at 15 members. If ooold school for life laf or md'er comes back, they can trade a "lesser" but if not that new player joins where it benefits the game- ie, a small tag.

Lets make this game great again.

Just because hrc lost that doesnt mean we cant win.

Edited By: braden on Feb 6th 2017, 19:51:02

Marshal

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Feb 6th 2017, 20:03:30

oil jump was made cause oiler needed boost.

stopping intratag trading and limiting members per tag have been discussed but that's it.

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braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:23:53

You are useless. Just go back to europe and stop commenting on ir trying to follow english conversation.

Go start a thread in scandanazi and youll notice i dont open my fluffing mouth.

Oil can produce for units. If you want to drop an acre at 160k acres then your cost to drop an acre at 2001 acres should cost the same.
Or does the game **only** work one method of destock?

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:25:34

This is the anti trust concept.. but try explaining that to a nationalized socialist.

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:26:36

He isnt smurt enuf to no game.

Marshal

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:39:43

if no landdropping (aka it costing alot) then players would need more military tech (if cost to drop land > price for tech) so they'd have less stocks and that way lower nw and ~majority wouldn't want that.

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:53:28

Well if the game isnt more fun, rhen give people random 100billion $ bonuses.
I mean, 300-500mil nw we wouldnt wsnt to cost them a billion or two to make it fair, would we?

Marshal is correct. I am wrong. Sorry.

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:54:13

I shouldnt have tried to think if a way to better the game for all. I apologize.

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 21:56:50

No guys, it was my fault. I only wanted the game to survive and be fun. I know now that i shouldnt have tried to better the game.

We will just let it whither into nothing so that marshal doesnt have to explain how an oil destock works.

Marshal

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Feb 6th 2017, 22:15:36

i'm against landdropping but we are minority modt likely, qz had some plans to nerf landdropping but .......

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 22:28:06

.. but i just came up with- at least it costs them billions of dollars?

arent we rewarded for what we have at sets end?

give me a tech that makes NOT owning jets multiply my private market bushel price by seven. what is 35*7? * 800 mil?

that sounds fair. but i can't use a single offensive unit for offense, otherwise its a no go.

thats fair.

or there is **only** one strategy to compete?

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 22:36:40

Each destroyed building will free one acre of free land and costs $21,487 to destroy.

Each destroyed building will free one acre of free land and costs $330 to destroy.
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this should not happen. dropping to 51 acres from 52 should cost me $21,487.

fair isn't wrong. lets think more westinghouse and less edison, here.

Marshal

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Feb 6th 2017, 22:51:55

and again we are at same situation: netters don't want to spend more than needed on "secondary" techs like military.

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 22:57:19

stop fluffing saying no and if you want to open your fluffing mouth then make it constructive

are you fluffing new? then stop acting like you are.

oh, thats right, you didn't quite follow the trust anti trust i suppose thats not your fault.

trust = netters get what they want
anti trust = they need to pay for "secondary" techs like military.

or they can take the production at 160k acres and pay to drop 159940 of them. at full price.

think of it as the american corn market.. oh fluff.. i think i just ruined marshal

Marshal

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Feb 6th 2017, 23:25:30

i'm not saying no, i'm saying that those who hoard flufflload of land and then drop it after last turn is given would be against it quite likely.

if no landdropping (due dropping cost) then players would need to find new ways to get billions of nw (prolly by getting even more land).

braden

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Feb 6th 2017, 23:59:22

642 and more or bust is your arguement?

Who gives a fluff if they dont like it, we're trying to keep the game alive here no appease a single fluffing winner.

You need to start thinking benefit of game or you need to leave this alone.

Marshal

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Feb 7th 2017, 0:12:33

players thinking about others instead themselves? luck with that.

i agree with you that dropping land is stupid and should cost money to drop hundreds of thousands of acres.

braden

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Feb 7th 2017, 1:27:32

There. Not being a bully. Lets try that more often.

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Feb 9th 2017, 3:42:07

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drkprinc

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Feb 9th 2017, 4:38:18

well in this case then build costs to get upto those 160k acres should only cost the price of 40 acres.

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Marshal

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Feb 9th 2017, 14:51:57

nope, if players want to switch to mbr at 200k acres then they should pay full cost otherwise that'd put all-xs at disadvantage.

drkprinc

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Feb 10th 2017, 14:11:04

why? those that play all-x do the same thing and don't have to spend as much time playing camping out bots or setting alarms.

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Marshal

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Feb 10th 2017, 14:29:48

if i switch at 20k acres to mbr i need to pay ~1.5b bucks but if you at ~200k acres switch to mbr and pay only ~20k bucks its huge favor to you.

drkprinc

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Feb 10th 2017, 16:17:40

no all-x would drop land as well just like anyone else. if you are going tmbr long before set end then you won't be getting upto more then 45k acres.

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Ivan

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Feb 11th 2017, 17:00:40

I agree with braden, ive only been back for 2 sets but it seems that the oil destock is too cheap compared to converting to full tmbr not to mention that it ruins destocking, it ruins reselling and it ruins for industrialists

fasc farm/oil has dominated the top 10 since oil destock was introduced really

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Feb 11th 2017, 17:58:39

But you are missing the point, players are able to stay another set knowing there is a chance they can beat their previous score instead of giving up reaching a plateau.

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braden

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Feb 11th 2017, 19:29:42

Every reset we should just (game maths)*1.5 that way everybody grows wonderfully. 650mil won last reset? Next reset he'll need 975mil nw finish to keep him playing?

Marshal

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Feb 11th 2017, 20:10:23

n00bprince: why that (beating prev. nw (pb or sb)) needs to happen via oil jumping not normal way?

braden

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Feb 11th 2017, 20:58:42

Mbrs destroy buildings, not drop acres.
They pay the same dollar for 10k building as they do 1 acre.. because they dont drop the acres.. this wont effect full mbrs at all, it will only even out the environment of play by curbing the retarded stupid lopsided one way to finish

Marshal

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Feb 11th 2017, 21:07:03

originally mbr was reseller but not anymore.

braden

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Feb 11th 2017, 22:10:32

Are you certain?
I dont remember this.
Now back to lies.

Marshal

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Feb 12th 2017, 10:06:43

its not reselling if drops land after has bought priv empty and then uses oil to spend rest of money in hand.

drkprinc

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Feb 22nd 2017, 17:51:04

It is reselling, you are reselling your bushels to buy your private.

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Marshal

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Feb 22nd 2017, 20:20:29

no it isn't.

mbr is military seller and bushels aren't military goodies.

drkprinc

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Feb 23rd 2017, 1:20:20

Originally posted by Marshal:

its not reselling if drops land after has bought priv empty and then uses oil to spend rest of money in hand.

you said nothing about military.

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Marshal

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Feb 23rd 2017, 14:11:36

didn't have to since mbr includes military.

drkprinc

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Feb 23rd 2017, 21:44:49

no MBR includes military bases

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braden

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Feb 23rd 2017, 22:01:16

The fascist oil destock is not your traditional mbr destock. Eight years ago marshal is right, today you are both arguing each others end to the middle.

Either way, neither of you are talking about the relevsncy here.

Marshal

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Feb 23rd 2017, 22:18:52

my arguments are above, n00bprince just wants to get fluffload of land and then drop it after last turn has been given.

braden

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Feb 23rd 2017, 22:25:11

And it should cost him the same at 160k acres as at 160 acres.

He wanted the production at 160k acres? He'll be happy to pay the money to drop or he'll keep his acres. He'll pay to drop. They always do.

More westinghouse. Less edison.

braden

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Feb 23rd 2017, 22:29:03

Oh, this is fun. Increase the cost of destroying as the reset lessens. On turn 100 it costs less than on turn 4600 that way all players are affacted the same and the cost is still only held to those who want to drop the most land, curbing only the retarded stupid abuse of oil destock.

Westinghouse. Not edison, now.

drkprinc

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Feb 25th 2017, 11:33:02

I don't always drop land I get lazy over on FFA and don't even build MB sometimes and destock 4 days in advance.

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Marshal

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Feb 25th 2017, 16:01:51

maybe you don't but many others do.

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Feb 28th 2017, 16:02:28

If you'd want to curb it then make dropping acres cost the same as destroying buildings. This would also serve to make it harder to suicide and it will reduce land destruction in general.

drkprinc

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Feb 28th 2017, 20:15:55

Originally posted by Gerdler:

If you'd want to curb it then make dropping acres cost the same as destroying buildings. This would also serve to make it harder to suicide and it will reduce land destruction in general.

doesn't matter what they do we have alternatives to getting rid of land/buildings without any cost at all.

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Marshal

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Feb 28th 2017, 20:19:57

yea have some of your teammates to nuke you after some brs and lgs.

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Mar 1st 2017, 17:21:48

Hmm, didn't think of that. Well how about if the switch from monarchy has the revolution costs unless it's the first switch? Then they would have to do Demo MBR after. Or they would have to live with selling their food on the public market @ like 35 and getting taxed. Either way it is a couple % less NW as a result. So it gets curbed sligthly as was suggested, but still very much viable(depending on the server, the prices and the total amount stockpiled).

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Jun 29th 2017, 11:58:05

I think that dropping acres should never cost (it would hurt war strats too much) but obviously the oil destock is king and probably needs a tweak/slight reduction in power.

You could make it so just like the humanitarians range shrinks that your ability to destroy buildings as the end of set approaches becomes limited in a scaling %

7 days left - 100% can be destroyed
6 days left - 90% can be destroyed
5 days left - 80% can be destroyed
4 days left - 70% can be destroyed
3 days left - 60% can be destroyed
2 days left - 50% can be destroyed
1 day left - 40% can be destroyed
Final 12 hours - 30 % can be destroyed
Final 6 hours - 20 % can be destroyed

So the 160k acre countries (which Im usually one of them) can choose to start destocking earlier or face an invisible wall that limits the ability to destroy and drop acres.

What this means is that they are more likely to destock a week earlier as well as be forced to leverage the market for destock calculations. By doing so this brings the market focus back into destocking, which the 100 acre oil destock doesnt care about.

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Jul 1st 2017, 2:06:32

if you actually destock as a fascism you're a fing moron :P

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Jul 1st 2017, 3:06:46

Originally posted by Crippler ICD:

if you actually destock as a fascism you're a fing moron :P

Darkprince destocks as a monarchy all the time

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