Rank	Country	Land	Networth	Special
1	Rock Lobster (#80)	24,170	$39,412,716	RG
2	Hurricane (#96)	8685	$33,561,864	DG
3	CATCH 22 (#41)  Game profile	33,112	$33,268,657	CG
4	All Turret Attack (#68)  Game profile	21,930	$29,652,774	HG
5	asheville (#44)  Game profile	21,130	$27,303,912	HG
6	I R WoG SuperFly (#4)  Game profile	29,363	$26,979,725	CG
7	Always (#6)  Game profile	22,206	$26,564,917	D
8	ally (#25)  Game profile	15,323	$24,529,890	HG
9	Hanayoshi (#89)  Game profile	16,750	$23,421,742	HG
10	F you first place (#70)	14,236	$20,894,695	RG
 
11	Vikings (#35)  Game profile	8103	$20,056,539	HG
12	Michael Faraday (#59)  Game profile	1645	$18,459,502	D
13	chianna (#56)	13,095	$14,567,346	HG
14	Cyborg Commandos (#103)	15,503	$14,180,863	CG
15	C R O A T I A (#94)  Game profile	19,624	$13,742,644	TG
16	(#19)  Game profile	13,336	$12,752,141	FG
17	dOgMiLk (#10)	16,347	$12,208,479	IG
18	lili (#2)	12,052	$11,525,014	HG
19	Scipio (#40)  Game profile	19,568	$10,801,262	C
20	BaDonkaDonks (#29)	13,080	$10,657,186	HG
 
21	Bazol of the Alliance (#66)  Game profile	12,740	$10,558,540	R
22	The Slayers of Realkoyo (#31)  Game profile	13,943	$10,400,217	F
23	Rainbow Alarm (#71)  Game profile	11,357	$9,647,778	F
24	Bumbershoot (#33)	10,447	$8,935,980	RG
25	bOOgEr (#15)	12,571	$8,919,372	D

Thanks for posting major! Nice win Getafix! Congrats all in top 10!

Thought I would top 5. There's some really good players playing, food market was crazy.

I think I was the only rep casher. Only one I saw. Got 10th place, not horrible I don't suppose.

Ditto. He's a beast.

My own fault for forgetting GDI. I don't deserve a win with that forgetfulness. Either way I'm back next set to see if I remember GDI this time. I fear I may fail yet again. :)

It's interesting how easy it still is to ruin someones hard labour. In other games, like League of legends, toxic behaviour, even when not cheating, is a punishable offence. I belive earth should be the same in this regard.

Congratulations, Getafix, and everyone else in top 10. Nice net, Getafix.

I had to slow play a Techer, I was surprised it worked out so well.

I knew Getafix was going to crush me. Congrats!

Was getafix casher or techer?
I mightve had a shot at the win but delayed my destock and bought way to many overpriced goods including all my private oil :(
6mil nw was gonna be alot to overcome anyways.

Getafix was casher yes. So was I (Always (#6)). Tech prices were way too high but I think the techers get screwed on the grabs because the techer bots are always farmed to hard to capture labs.

Thanks for the game everyone! I was a republic techer.

This is a multi-player interactive game, and with that comes the necessary risks and rewards with other players. Being that this is a war-based game with the use of military units to gain, steal, and destroy resources, one must accept that simply keeping to yourself and playing quietly is not going to guarantee a clear shot to top networth rankings.

Far too many players these days have been spoiled by the use of bots and some sort of unfounded entitlement to land. These behaviors are often reinforced by other players and alliances/clans (on clan servers like Alliance, FFA, and Team) through game and forum culture and even official retal policies that directly and indirectly discourage real player-to-player grabbing and interaction beyond the public market.

In short, getting grabbed, attacked without provocation, and even killed/suicided upon without reason or just cause is part of the game - it always has been. Adaptive play and building is the easy deterrence.

I disagree in the strongest sense.

If a player gets a rush by ABing or missile attacking players that did them nothing, don't you think there should be a natural barrier of skill involved in doing so? I mean it is difficult to netgain, the explores go down, you get DR fast when grabbing so you can't take all the land etc. If I want to ruin someones reset I just do it, it is fast and easy, I can run a 5 minute country for two days and destroy someones chance to top 10 even if he was set to win.
Shouldn't it be harder if it is fun? Why should only one thing be a challenge?

One of the greatest changes I have seen since I came back was the significant drop in topfeeding gains. It was exactly the same idea. It was too easy to just produce/buy all-jets and hit someone for fluffs and giggles and watch them retal back for 1/3rd of the land. This is why Land:land retal policies had to be invented, in order to balance the playing field that Mehul tilted in favour of the ones who had no intention of doing well.

Getting grabbed without provocation has always been part of the game, getting suicided by multies, or weaker players that were jealous or simple-minded is the reason I and many other players quit the game in the first place. Again, League of Legends have a tribunal that punishes players for toxic behaviour* and it is a hugely successful and popular game with around 100 million active players. Do you honestly think they are wrong in punishing toxic play?

*Anything that corresponds to being obvious about not attempting to win the game is considered a punishable offence in LoL.

This obviously need not be the case in EE. But a tilt in that direction would be very beneficial to the players, to the community morale and to the game it self. Naturally this won't save a dying game as it needed to happen 15-20 years ago.

I find any sort of LAND:LAND retal policy to be part of the issue towards reducing real player-to-player interaction ingame - especially those policies that exceed 100% L:L or include ghosties to add on that extra slap in the face. This is not Candy Crush or solitaire.

If you ever have the urge to play FFA, you may be in for a rude awakening. Good luck to you, though.

If I ever had the time and will to play 15 countries in FFA I would be less inclined to be worried about one reset ruined on one of them. Thing is when I used to spend hours upon hours during a reset in 1B(Primary) or 1A and then have it ruined by someone who spent 15 minutes I was less inclined to think this is a good idea. Now Express takes care of this, one new reset every week means very little time and effort has gone into a country and I can laugh it of basically. I still don't think it is right

I don't know how common multies are anymore, Mehul basically let them play unthreatened, but I hope that has changed. Either way every change that would reduce the impact of suiciding would reduce the impact of multies and thereby make for a cleaner game. But when you lose sight of who is your player base, thats when the game start to die.

An interesting example is Facebook vs LinkedIn. During the LinkedIn IPO it was valued at ~6 times greater per user than Facebook. This was said to be because more time was spent creating a LinkedIn profile, thereby warranting a higher value. Same thing goes for EE; if I log into my country once a day, play for 5 minutes and once or twice per reset I suicide someone who is doing well and meanwhile ignoring the forums I am of way less value to the community.

The core group of moderators right now are active and multis are relatively rare.

A core group of netters who were dedicated to understanding every aspect of the game reverse-engineered the game and made it better. Tell me that the average suicider is as useful a part of the game as Qz, Revelat0r or Slagpit, or you for that matter.

Good set all :) My #2 spot stolen at last minute, booo... was fun to play commie for a change at least.

At the risk of coming off like a fluff, I don't have the time or interest in debating the topic right now. I'm just helping you understand the reality of current gameplay and how to reduce your chances at becoming a victim.

And I'm telling you how to improve the game. But yes it is my fault for making an attack before pressing the join gdi- link. Before this gdi function it was impossible to netgain safely. Also a very good change in favor of less toxic gameplay. The game has improved greatly, but by the way you are talking you are against it all and against any further improvements.

I know how to play the game, thanks though. I would also be a very good suicider if I wanted to. It is easier than being safe from suicides, i promise.

Gerdler, you've hit the nail on the head.

If you don't want to get pulled into a war, then join GDI and only single tap countries.

Let the others play the way they see fit, everyone has a slightly different vision of the game. This war vs net mentality has been going on since the beginning of the game itself. Nobody is going to sway another of their opinion, this horse has been beaten to death.

We need to triple the bot head count!!!!

Ty, yes I just revive the horse so we can beat it to death again. The guy who took out me and gogy( Croatia) was a guy I never even hit. Sure gdi, but either way the guy choose me out of all the countries outside of gdi because I had the most land and was highest ranked, he wanted to destroy the best country he count find. And if I am to protect myself from that I would have to not play theocracy and also spend all my money on tanks, SDI, turrets and troops and then I couldn't netgain either way.

And also in my recollection I've been suicided more often by countries I never hit. I always figured it was multies and maybe it was, but now there are no multies and people get off on running a country just to ruin it from others.

gogy is unpredictable, sometimes he plays nicely and sometimes creates havoc.

there are plenty of players on all servers (dunno about tourny) who just want to fluffup others sets 1 way or other.

Sure and gogy hit the guy once too, not a reason to ruin his reset but I'm glad he took the attention from me I guess.

You sound like a good socialist.

Everyone should have their hands held. Big brother is there to dictate what everyone can or cannot do. Cameras installed in all homes. More rules. More regulations.

Yes you can grab bots. No you can't grab humans more than once as it's not nice.

Why does the game have missiles then? Get rid of that too. There is no need for this.

Why have AB, BR and GS? It serves no purpose but to screw with people. So get rid of this too.

Only have Standard and PS.

TL & DR

are you clintonista?

Gerdler sounds like a guy in Red Alert that only mines resources but has no troops, then complains about being rushed by tanks.

Or the guy in Civilization who has zero troops and all economy and complains about having land taken.

He's the guy in RTS games that always proposes "No rush 30 min ok?".

Boo hoo.

Just looked at eestats. That's actually wrong.

Here's a quiz: He was in GDI. So why did he get hit with missiles?

First of I'm a right wing though not American. Secondly since you take up real world examples the way the balance of this game should work according to you is to legalize rape and put a high excise tax on self defence classes, pepper spray and rape whistles.

Do you think suiciding is challenging for you? That is cute. :P

Yep. It's clintonista.

Weak strawman arguments are weak.

Finally, you claimed this:



Wrong. Joining GDI is all it takes. Barrier to entry is low. It involves not having a shytty memory and clicking a button or two. Quit patting yourself on the back. You have no elusive skill in defense of being trolled other than to join GDI. Which is not reflective of your gameplay abilities. Evidently, you couldn't even do that last set. So what is this skill you speak of?

Maybe you got lucky last set. Look what happened to Michael Faraday (#59).

Well said, Primeval

I am not a major player here, have only broke top10 one time, and yes, I get crazy just getting multi-tapped. this is a game with many variables which include country builds, strategy, defense and LUCK. I love the express servers rules on multiple attacks, but to have those you must get GDI. That is easily obtainable with the bonuses that are good for nothing except a few extra bushels or oil here. Get GDI, build defense, and watch the news. Every single player of the set, has just of as much a chance of getting hit as anyone else. the game is a gamble, you gamble your defense against expenses, THAT IS THE GAME!!!!

Anyways, can not say enough how much I have come to enjoy Express!!.. a lot of honorable players here, real talk. but on that note, if every single player was honorable....... no one would be honorable...... and the game would be boring as hades.

Good luck this set to all, please buy my bushels and buy my oil, I will buy your tech, I will buy your military... and I hope to find that fine line that makes me a top finisher... but I promise not to cry if I don't find it.

I was killed last set and I agree. That said, you should remove the rule from the forum post about rules that says team killing is not allowed before telling people to deal with it. I was most definitely team killed. Three separate countries participated (one got deleted for extremely belligerent messages). I've seen this happen a few times now. It's different on team, alliance, ffa to have multiple people suiciding you, but here it's just lame. How am I supposed to fight back against 3 ppl while following the server rules? Like the other guy that was killed, though, I take responsibility for forgetting to join GDI.

What do you mean? No rules were broken.

There was not TKing like you suggested because this is a solo server with no teammates with which to betray you.

I assume you were Michael Faraday (#59), as it shows as you on the score board. You were ganged up on, but that's the game. It's the natural consequence of the game mechanics and the players. Most of these players news camp and jump on the bandwagon. Last set (https://www.eestats.com/express/oldranks/1284) there was a guy called KR Reinforcement (#17) that jumped in to help others finish off KRs. But this isn't a team. This is a pack of vultures picking off a lion's prey.

Frankly, it's been this way for a long time also. Two unspoken community based cardinal rules. (1) Join GDI. (2) Don't break GDI once you join. People in high rank often get into trouble when they break either of those rules as evidenced every round.

Then there are the game rules about cheating. This is what needs to be enforced. If nobody is running multis or outright teaming up with coordination, then there is no cheating.

So many socialists around here wishing for more regulations and more rules and more hand holding by big brother.

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means...

If players are found to be coordinating then it would be grounds for deletion. Use the report feature in-game when you feel rules are being abused or broken.

General statement: In an abundance of caution, I would strongly advise against contributing to a kill-run that has already started unless you have an obvious reason to be involved. GDI makes it easier for this to be enforced, but not everyone MUST join GDI, obviously.

I'm actually for less regulation. I said to remove the post about rules because it is pointless if not enforced. The reason I say that is because as it stands, I can't ask friends for help if getting suicided by 3 people. If I do, then I will be breaking the rule because other people are.

I was thinking that too. Haha.

What rule is being broken by contributing to a kill run? There are no such rules. In fact, such rules are exactly what the others here are advocating for.

Didn't this get hashed out to death earlier? Coordination requires communication and pre-planning by multiple parties. It involves one party communicating with another and expressing intent to collude. Jumping in on a bandwagon as a 'free agent' is not coordinating. News camping is not coordinating. Even if 10 guys gang up on one guy, but each do so independently, or motivated by various reasons, it is not collusion.

I'm being devil's advocate somewhat. All I'm saying is that if someone submitted a report that 2 or more guys were killing him and he suspected coordination, it would be investigated and if things looked fishy, one might risk being wrongfully deleted. Reinstatements are possible through in-game appeals, but a player would still potentially lose out on many turns lost in the process, which is even more important on a server like Express. Just a 12-hour detour from gameplay would cost a player 180 turns (I don't think the game "reimburses you" for this lost time). Coordination can be open/subject to moderator interpretation and is not as often as clear-cut as someone running multiple accounts, for instance. My point is, why risk it?

To answer your question, there is not a rule in being a party to a kill-run with other players specifically. While I do not make the rules, I would not support such a request or suggestion. However, there is a rule against coordination, which is still valid and enforceable. Jumping in on a kill-run randomly because you were camping the news channel seems a bit risky.

Your superficial understanding of socialism has you thinking socialism is all about economics where it's by definition an economy where resources are shared by public ownership. Therefore you think you're right and almighty by calling me out for the use of 'socialists' when I am referring to the political aspect of socialism, and that is, socialism often begets authoritarianism. Socialism has an economic and political angle.

Pretty much every closely 'socialist' regime in practice was authoritarian. Nazis, communists, etc. You cannot demand that economic resources be publicly owned/shared, and the playing field 'equal and fair', without imposing strict rules on behavior.

Going back to what posters above have been advocating, thus the label. i.e. banning and making illegal certain game play behaviors because it inequitably affects a few (notably himself that one match so it must not be fair). The need for more bots to keep heat off humans and even the playing field for land grabs for all. Land:land retal policy proposed instead of 1:1 strike/retal. Banning 'hurtful' and 'excessive' retaliatory strikes when land grabbed (citing gogy's case in what was actually a double tap). lol. How is that not socialist tendencies? Make everything 'fair' and equitable. To that end, lets have more rules.

I understand you're being a devil's advocate.

Well, there is also truth to excessive and false reports too. Law enforcement deal with that all the time in the real world. False tips. False leads. Fake news. You don't charge everyone just because someone threw in a false tip, maliciously or not.

Maybe one ought to be more realistic to why such behaviors exist in the first place. It's not that people necessarily even need to coordinate against players when they jump onto the bandwagon on a kill run. It's that these players must stick out like a sore thumb.

GDI rules are server side enforced. Which means you pretty much can't mess with people with GDI. Most people have GDI because most people want to net. They derive enjoyment by seeing how high they can get their networth that week and how high they rank. But others are looking for war instead of net as that is where they derive enjoyment. Implicitly, this reality singles out people without GDI that can be messed with, and they thusly become a target. There are only so many on the top without GDI. It seems natural that they become a focal point of attention of trolls.

If I had a wad of cash sitting on the dash of my unlocked car, and it gets stolen. Then I leave cash there again, unlocked, and it gets stolen again elsewhere. Am I to blame or is there conspiratorial coordination by the community at large to steal cash from my unlocked car?

While it is true that "every closely 'socialist' regime in practice was authoritarian" that does not mean 'authoritarian equals socialist'. It's a logical fallacy as even you can see that there have been a multitude of authoritarian regimes, that stem a plethora of different ideologies, throughout history.

Decent points. Yes, one should likely join GDI to avoid most of these hypothetical issues, but that would not necessarily mean that legitimate coordination would be allowed because a country was not in GDI. The point of your real-life example is received. One would likely be faulted for continuing to make themselves an easy target, but that does not make stealing any more legal or the criminals any less responsible. Further, in life, legitimate criminals and the falsely accused have the right to a fair trial and judge and jury (in many countries, at least). Players in Earth Empires are not afforded those rights and individual game moderators may not get it right every time they make the decision to delete. The risk outweighs the reward in my opinion.

Not directed at me but I agreed with him, so I think you are just using socialist in the wrong sense by just using it as an insult.

I do not think socialism is just an economic system, and I doubt that guy does. You are absolutely correct that in practice every socialist regime has been authoritarian, which stems from the fact that socialist systems are by definition totalitarian. However, discussing the rules of an online game is not socialism. Wanting an extra rule is not socialistic (again, I thought the rule should be taken out not added) either.

You are conflating your view on the outcomes of socialism to what socialistic systems are. That is the same as equating fascism to anti-Semitism because German fascism was anti-Semitic (despite the fact that nearly every other fascist regime with the exception of Islamofascism has been on a spectrum that included those who defended Jewish people, incorporated them, or, at least, were not violently racist against them). To actually call something socialistic, you would have to go to the roots of what socialism is which you are not doing. Authoritarianism existed long before socialism. You could argue a lot of Hobbesian principles, for example, influenced socialism, but you could not argue that Hobbes was a socialist. In fact, authoritarianism predates written history.

Now, for context, I am an ardent Libertarian who has been deeply influenced by Locke and believe in free market Capitalism, so you calling me a socialist based on one post that you misrepresented confounds me. As part of my studies, I've looked into socialism deeply and find it hard to even see your point of view. If you think that the rules of an online game are socialistic, then you must be absolutely unable to function in anything you do in life. Do you think Chess is a socialistic game? Poker? Are all games with rules (which is, by definition, EVERY game) socialistic? Are the very foundations of the physical universe socialistic because they follow an objective set of rules?

plenty of us netgained in express before gdi was changed.

What a load of strawman bull.



No it's not. Cite a source that states "socialist systems" are "by definition totalitarian". For a self proclaimed well studied academic on the topic of socialism, you seem to BS quite a bit.

Your general tone demonstrates how hell bent you are on arguing semantics and take a stance against practical and non-traditional non-academic usage of terminologies. It's your beef right now. Yet. socialism at it's core says nothing about totalitarianism. At it's core, it is an economic system. Now, you can find different philosophers who incorporate socioeconomic ideas to socialism, but socialism, at least in simple dictionary definition, at it's core is equitable sharing of resources for all. So tell me where "totalitarian" of socialism comes in, "by definition" too no less, professor.



Who said discussing a rule is socialist? I always referred back to Gerdler (cough clintonista). Gerdler's intentions were very much socialist in the principles he espouses and in the practical nature of his authoritarian tone. And that is excluding his past rant on "GDI for all" and all the other GDI based rants. I know a socialist when I see one.

His advocacy in this thread alone includes:
(1) So called "toxic" behavior that should be outlawed and punished, whatever 'toxic' means. (i.e. toxic = mean to me)
(2) Land:Land retal as opposed to 1:1 hit/retal is more fair.
(3) Quote "Shouldn't it be harder if it is fun? Why should only one thing be a challenge?" - referencing somehow 'leveling the playing field' between perceived 'skill' involved between 'netting' and 'warring' is further warranted.
(4) Rallying behind the diminished top feeding gain.

At the heart of socialist philosophy is the concept of creating equal opportunity to succeed. Gerdler in his infinite wisdom, misguided by his recent butthurt, felt the playing field was somehow left unfair for players of his ilk. The game needed to be 'more fair'. To 'even the playing fields' some more in this highly unfair system that is currently in place. Rather than playing the game with the rules that were already established, and adapting to it, he wants changes made to enact "equitable treatment". When in reality, he just wants the game to fit a certain mold.

In practice, he sings the same song practical socialists before him have sung. He wanted more rules and regulations to suit his utopia of equitable treatment in this insanely unfair game.



Give examples where authoritarian regimes have existed before 'written history'.

The idea that you make claim to knowledge and facts of something that is outside of recorded human history, in and of itself should smell funny even to the untrained eye. To argue on and on about semantics and ride on a high horse the entire time while you continue to make illogical and factually incorrect statements left and right is troubling.

I mean, at this point it seems like you're pulling shyt out of your A to sound cool. But I very much would still like to 'learn' from you, what the oldest examples of authoritarianism is, pre-3XXX BC, a statement of facts backed by none other than no actual recorded history.

Omg i thought clintonista used to make long posts. You guys are giving him/her a run for the money.

"No it's not. Cite a source that states "socialist systems" are "by definition totalitarian". For a self proclaimed well studied academic on the topic of socialism, you seem to BS quite a bit."

George Reisman, for one. Although, you don't really need to cite a source to know it is totalitarian.


"Your general tone demonstrates how hell bent you are on arguing semantics and take a stance against practical and non-traditional non-academic usage of terminologies. It's your beef right now. Yet. socialism at it's core says nothing about totalitarianism. At it's core, it is an economic system. Now, you can find different philosophers who incorporate socioeconomic ideas to socialism, but socialism, at least in simple dictionary definition, at it's core is equitable sharing of resources for all. So tell me where "totalitarian" of socialism comes in, "by definition" too no less, professor."

My tone? Well, if I have a tone, ok, I'll be more colloquial... don't use words you don't understand as insults. "equitable sharing of resources for all"... extremely simplistic definition but if that is your view how can you not see it as totalitarian? Find me a way for this to be done without a gun or the threat of a gun behind it. None of that Marxist BS about how people will want a system like that "just because".

"Who said discussing a rule is socialist? I always referred back to Gerdler (cough clintonista). Gerdler's intentions were very much socialist in the principles he espouses and in the practical nature of his authoritarian tone. And that is excluding his past rant on "GDI for all" and all the other GDI based rants. I know a socialist when I see one."

Again, rules in an online game, not socialistic.


"At the heart of socialist philosophy is the concept of creating equal opportunity to succeed. Gerdler in his infinite wisdom, misguided by his recent butthurt, felt the playing field was somehow left unfair for players of his ilk. The game needed to be 'more fair'. To 'even the playing fields' some more in this highly unfair system that is currently in place. Rather than playing the game with the rules that were already established, and adapting to it, he wants changes made to enact "equitable treatment". When in reality, he just wants the game to fit a certain mold."

In fact, the game already offers equity, unless you play by a different set of rules than we do? Do you get 2 countries instead of one? Is this entire game an elaborate socialist ruse?? Come on now, not everything in life is socialist.

"In fact, authoritarianism predates written history.


Give examples where authoritarian regimes have existed before 'written history'."

Are you seriously trying to argue that point? Aristotle, Herodotus, and others all pointed to monarchs that existed in what would be known as pre-history. Egpyt is a prime example unless you consider hieroglyphs "written history".

"The idea that you make claim to knowledge and facts of something that is outside of recorded human history, in and of itself should smell funny even to the untrained eye. To argue on and on about semantics and ride on a high horse the entire time while you continue to make illogical and factually incorrect statements left and right is troubling."

The untrained eye, like yours, sure. But anyone who knows a knick about history knows that there was a long verbal succession of ideas and stories. Or did you think people couldn't talk before they could write? Do you think Homer just thought of his great epics out of nowhere?


"I mean, at this point it seems like you're pulling shyt out of your A to sound cool. But I very much would still like to 'learn' from you, what the oldest examples of authoritarianism is, pre-3XXX BC, a statement of facts backed by none other than no actual recorded history."

That period is considered "proto-history" but you're a moron, so I forgive you.

Edit: Also, what you're talking about is egalitarianism not socialism. Can't weaponize that word though can you?

Egalitard?

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