Why was JJ deleted? - Earth Empires Forum

Spear

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Nov 29th 2010, 0:34:35

Just curious.

de1i

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Nov 29th 2010, 0:36:28

Beat me to posting damn.

In before "for cheating."

Spear

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Nov 29th 2010, 0:37:50

And shouldn't his country be removed from the results completely?

synoder

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Nov 29th 2010, 1:13:54

on the scores it shows that your country was deleted. your profile also shows that you had a country deleted a couple sets back for cheating also?

synoder

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Nov 29th 2010, 1:17:13

how about this set?

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Nov 29th 2010, 1:29:23

Well I didn't delete anyone today as I can't access thoses tools from my phone

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synoder

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Nov 29th 2010, 1:30:44

I'm not accusing you, just wondering why you were deleted. I was your ally last set and didn't notice anything unusual. Have you spoken to any of the mods?

synoder

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Nov 29th 2010, 1:42:21

26mil nw is about 10mil more than I can get so good work ;) One of these days I will learn how to net though, so whenever that day comes you better watch out!

So you are your roommate are actually different people? Even though you ally with each other and you leech tech from him when he runs a etcher and you run a casher? Post some pics of you and him together holding signs with your country names on them and pictures of where you each play your turns and maybe I'll believe you. Until then, the reputation of the man who "perfected the casher" is tarnished.

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Thomas

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:07:03

I'm pretty sure safelisted people can't ally each other.

Warster

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:11:09

If that is true jj, you will be removed from the safelist you were told about the fact you both can't ally together

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CrisX1

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:44:33

You know the picture thing can easily be manipulated, I can hire someone to pose for me or two and say their my roomates, not that I'm accusing JJ here but I'm just pointing out a loophole here, there must be some other way for proof.

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Pain

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:45:46

yea this was extensively covered with donny/billy in ffa

you cannot ally up with someone who is safelisted from the same IP.

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CrisX1

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:47:11

And therefore the picture thing should not be used for proof.

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Warster

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:48:13

That's correct , guess ill have to be a bit more strict,

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IHaveSexForTech

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:48:42

I do not believe they ever allied, nor did he say that he did.

I know they both asked me for alliances last set and were allied with other random people for other slots.

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:50:00

Well ill know for sure when I get home

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Pain

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:51:08

there is no fool proof way to prove its actually 2 people. i know of at least two people (plus thier "relatives/roomates") in FFA who are safelisted that are actually the same people but the mods havent really done anything about it.

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synoder

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Nov 29th 2010, 2:54:52

yeah, if someone is willing to lie for you there's not much the mods can do.

gambit

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Nov 29th 2010, 3:46:17

even if safelisted "people" cant ally each other...

one can still buy the other's goods... which is just basically transferring cash...

right?

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synoder

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Nov 29th 2010, 3:48:37

quit causing trouble gambit and get on irc. demon needs help with the site and i am going to bed.

gambit

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Nov 29th 2010, 3:49:47

tell him no...

well... maybe after the football game goes off :P

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Nov 29th 2010, 6:50:31

I looked into the deletion before it was done, and I agree that it was definitely warranted in this situation.

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Warster

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Nov 29th 2010, 7:22:43

JJ both of you were warned about all the stuff you guys got deleted for , you guys didnt listen

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Thunder

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Nov 29th 2010, 7:23:33

Meh, JJ23 was a cheater back in the day who got deleted then too. Why should now be any different.

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Nov 29th 2010, 8:21:27

heh. interesting

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gambit

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Nov 29th 2010, 9:07:13

damn you pang for your secrecy!

would you tell me what for if i showed you my boobies?

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Pain

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Nov 29th 2010, 9:22:04

Originally posted by Pang:

I looked into the deletion before it was done, and I agree that it was definitely warranted in this situation.

damn, gonna have to say it and mean it here.

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Drinks

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Nov 29th 2010, 10:24:30

So JJ comes out and claims that some thought he cheated last set (when he says he didnt), and this set proves he can win without cheating. But WAIT!!!!!!

He gets deleted for cheating.

So i think we can all do a little speculating and put A and B together to guess what it suggests about past sets.

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CrisX1

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Nov 29th 2010, 11:08:48

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braden

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Nov 29th 2010, 16:24:41

what was he deleted for?

NOW3P

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Nov 29th 2010, 17:38:51

no one's sure braden, but it sounds like allying with someone he was on the safelist with. Must be taking notes from Donny and "Billy".

What I find even more interesting is that there is legitimate proof of someone cheating, and gregg is mute. Double standards ftw.

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Prometheus

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Nov 29th 2010, 18:20:12

My IP has been sateylisted but my roommate has not played for sets and I still only run as 1 person.

Quit why am i still posting?

lincoln

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Nov 29th 2010, 20:00:49

mute?

i was first to point it out
didnt you see pain's post?

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mrford

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Nov 29th 2010, 20:07:33

You said he cheated because he posted your country number

you said nothing about him ACTUALLY cheating.

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Pain

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:19:35

bump

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:28:59

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crest23

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:29:37

JJ23 got deleted?

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blid

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:39:08

A year ago. (And a week ago)

I don't understand why the admins here never clarified what they got him for. They just confirm he deserved it but don't say why. I guess he tech leeched off his safelisted supposed roommate.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:42:38

Weird thing is, if you can win with a tech leech, I'm sure you can win without a tech leech, so why cheat? Tech leech is a big advantage, but it's not enough to make a bad player good.

Edited By: blid on Nov 22nd 2011, 3:48:54
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Pain

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:48:46

he did more then leech tech. he also had personal farms

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Pain

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:50:11

read the other thread i bumped titled "oh snap" for more info but heres the jist of it

Originally posted by Slagpit:

Typically information about deletions remains private between moderators and players, but if JJ23 is going to make accusations towards the express moderators then I'm going to defend them.

The deleted pair was once again JJ23 and his "roommate". I guess that JJ23 figured that IP matches and cookie matches were flagging him, so he started playing the other country on a laptop/cell phone while playing his main from the same location. That way there wouldn't be any IP or cookie matches.

The roommate only plays while JJ23 is playing and apparently exists to serve JJ23. Shady stuff from this round alone:

-roommate puts JJ in DR and gets farmed by JJ, then they ally up
-roommate does tons of spy ops for JJ, including ally ops and defusing missiles

An example:

-roommate spies country X
-JJ23 grabs X
-roommate grabs X
-JJ23 farms roommate
-roommate GSes JJ23 to put him in DR

This particular example happened over a period of around 20 minutes.

You've been found guilty of cheating three times JJ23. And you never successfully appealed because "you know you're innocent". You're not innocent. The two express mods and the three game admins aren't all plotting against you. The admins of this game like to see players finish well and to push what is possible. The admins hate to see cheaters like JJ23 win. I apologize to the server for not giving moderators the tools to catch this type of cheating earlier.

If you try to cheat again you'll likely be banned from playing the game permanently.

By the way, in case anyone is curious about JJ's amazing records:

56 1 N O I T A N I M O D Y N D I (#58) 27,162 $32,050,000 CG

55 1 RachelsEhhButCarrieUnderwoodsOMG (#23) 19,388 $33,112,000 RG

54 4 Dont Think That I Cant Love You (#33) 11,111 $21,579,764 HG

53 3 Find Out Who Your Friends Are (#40) 11,111 $21,989,900 HG

52 1 Cuz You Should Be My Lady (#33) 18,321 $26,000,000 RG

51 1 Baby Jebal Geuui Soneul Japjima (#29) 16,585 $24,494,000 RG

50 3 Retaling LGs In My Wedding Dress (#54) 10,202 $22,131,450 HG

JJ's roommate didn't play in resets 53 and 54. Amazing how he finishes with 10M NW more when his roommate plays, isn't it?

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TNTroXxor

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Nov 22nd 2011, 3:59:13

Originally posted by crest23:

JJ23 got deleted?

out of 13 express set, he was deleted 4 times. round 49,52,57,102

i assume he 'forgets' about no cheating a few sets after being deleted.

btw guy you dont have to be a cheater/multi to tech leech. plus JJ already confessed when he won

55 1 RachelsEhhButCarrieUnderwoodsOMG (#23) 19,388 $33,112,000 RG

casher with heavy tech leech.

Originally posted by JJ23:

i havent been deleted since last set

TNTroXxor

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:03:19

dont be surprise u guys.. like what pain had quoted, jj's a n00b cheater.

i cant even get some friends to play let alone spying defusing ally spying gs myself to dr n let me tech leech become my land farm.

Just came back from a nice holiday, n this thread makes me wonder why i needed 1 lol

Originally posted by JJ23:

i havent been deleted since last set

blid

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:05:32

Yeah tech leech can be legit, but I kind of wonder if they should put something in to block leeches. Both players in the arrangement can be 100% separate, honest people, but it still gives the leecher a big edge on non-leeching competitors.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Pain

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:08:51

the problem is not him leeching. i have offered to let people leech tech from me because i had an open spot. the problem is that he runs the leech himself and techs soley to benefit his main country, among other things.

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blid

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:09:42

Leeching is kind of unfair either way though... if you don't have 75% of land built as labs, or something like that, your tech alliances should get canceled.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

TNTroXxor

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:10:46

Originally posted by JJ23:

wtf crack are you guys on. i play one country from one computer.

wow. im done with express. its a fluffing joke. im too good for this server. peace out.

This was posted on Dec 31st 2010, 9:32:11

why the fluff is he still here that little kid?

Originally posted by JJ23:

i havent been deleted since last set

Pain

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:11:24

leeching is not unfair per se. but having someone run a country with the sole purpose to aid you in doing better then everyone else IS unfair.

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blid

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Nov 22nd 2011, 4:12:08

I think it's kind of unfair regardless.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.