The wayback machine has almost all of the old Earth2025 final ranking on it. And eestats has all the EE rankings. I used them when I was getting stats for PDM's reunion reset.

If you are talking about individual haydays you can't leave out PDM. When PDM first started and both Comwood and New Horizon were active I would have to say we were one of the most politically influential alliances in the game. Took TNW during several competitive netting sets. We were also undefeated in war until the 2nd TIL war. Not to mention PDM was one of the few alliances (maybe the only one) to have fought the old RD / bot wars and survived.

PDM fell off during the bot wars and has had too laid back of playing style since EE started so I wouldn't put us up there all time but from 01-04 I would put us near the top.

I lost a little respect for you archaic the second you made a Sex and the City reference. I lost a little respect for myself the second I realized what you were referring to.

I like how TAN is in the middle of the sandwich.

I mentioned it first :P In the top 10 cutoff thread before the set was over.

But yes, congratulations.

And I will point out that my opinion is pretty unbiased considering I don't really like them as an alliance. (Thats just my personal opinion though because of their opinion of PDM)

While I was curious about one of the LaF'ers up top at first their NW increases/decreases are pretty consistant with teching and stocking for over a month. I believe they accomplished this fairly.

Just consider the fact that at one point I had almost 20M tech points that I had bought for $3K+ each and there were very few techers this reset. If they stocked bushels for 20 days or so, dumped those on the first bushel peak, rebought low, dumped those on the 2nd bushel peak, not hard to believe they managed the NW's they did.

I may actually squeak into the top 5, it is higher than I thought it would be. Had I not had the last 2 LGs on me before I started stocking I think I could have topped $300M. Oh well.

It actually looks like LaF is going to pull off the trifecta. TNW, ANW, and Membership. I could be wrong but I think this is the first time they have won all 3 in a single set?

Perhaps we should start an EE raffle. We could sell tickets for $5 each and the winner gets a plane ticket to KL to meet with Tisya!

The only factors not known is the NW factor. Boxcar has it built in to the estimator (and its fairly accurate) but I am awful and reverse engineering algorithms from data.

I'll give it another go though.

What is the current LG yields formula? More specifically the NW factor in it?

Target Acres * .075 * PS bonus * mil strat tech * tyr bonus * NW factor = land gained

I know that the NW factor = 1 at 95% of targets NW but I can't figure out the actual formula for it the NW factor.

I'll be top 10 for sure, just a question of where.

I originally thought there would only be 6 LaF but some of the smaller guys have surprised me and jumped above the ones I assumed would be at the top. THere will be 6-8 LaF'ers, the rest is a toss up. I'd still say 2 PDM'ers and 1 RD'er.

Your estimate is about where I think it will fall, in the 240m-250m range so you may be right locket.

Shall we revisit this question now?

I really would like at least 1 country to grab Evo during this war so I can break 100k acres. Please and thank you.

PDM has an outstanding retal against him. Had I been online and noticed this before I could have just forgave the retal and prevented the nuke :s Oh well.

There was a period of 4-5 days when I had 10k empty acres when I was on 45-50k but other than that I"ve been completely built all set. Although now I have over 1.5k empties to build from a freaking earthquake SOB.

The retals that I have taken for other PDMers have almost all been from our all explorers. No PDM member has given up their retal(s) just so I could gain land.

I would say 4 PDM'ers will beat Rockman's all x. And you are right, there is only 1 PDM all x country that will be competitive this reset.

I don't claim to be one of the best in the game. I do think I can compete with them though. I hate all x since retals are just too juicy to pass up but I am not against playing it if you want to make a competition out of it.

I've never played Primary and don't feel like learning. I may give express a go to see how well I can do.

BAH!!!!!!!! I had my standing orders set at $36, I missed out.

I haven't finished a netting reset since 2002 and never had a top 10 finish back then. I won't accept the better than Balin compliment until I get top 5.

If I'm not mistaken LaF has a TTR ring with one slightly behind the other 3. Pretty sure those 3 have the top 3 spots locked down this set. As for spots 4-10, I'm going to say 3 will be LaF, 1 RD, 1 Evo, 2 PDM. We'll see though.

Goku: Sell it for $1 and I'll buy all the tech you can churn out. Or wait 48 hours and my techs will be maxed.

I may be fluffy but I think you underestimate me. I took 7 years off so I'm a bit rusty and just getting back into the swing of things but I think I can personally compete on just about any level of this game.

I'm still perfecting my startup but give me another reset or two and I'll spend the whole reset doing nothing but bottomfeeding just to prove that I can compete with LaF on their turf if that would make you feel better?

Just FYI, this is my country. You should actually check my news.

Of my 94 attacks this reset, 2 were against countries we were not pacted to that ask if I wanted to exchange hits prior to grabbing, 2 were against alliances we have grabbing pacts with, the other 90 attacks were either retals against unpacted alliances for hits on me, retals for other PDM members, or bottomfeeding in the beginning of the reset.

There are only 2 other countries in the top 10 land that have "land traded" less than I have.

I had the intention of stopping around 55-60k acres. However one of the risks you run with low defense and a lot of land is people with a lot less land grabbing you. As a result, I am at close to 90k acres.

As Silver pointed out, my challenge now is to get my techs up fast enough, double my D, and have a good finish.

Unweighted
Obama 74%
Stein 69%
Johnson 46%
Romney 38%
Goode 18%

Weighted
Obama 75%
Stein 74%
Johnson 46%
Romney 32%
Goode 16%

I was fairly surprised by how close I was to the Green party. I haven't dug too deep into them but maybe I should. Overally I'm pretty set in being a Democrat but I tend to be a little more fiscally conservative and a little more socially liberal.

Yeah I took his retal and bounced it. Botched a # in the attack calc so you can troll me as well. Makes two I bounced this set, last reset was only 1 retal bounced.

We are still up on land excluding ghosts. It is just a pain to have to retal someone half your land and twice your NW to get your land back. The bigger issue is that a few days ago llaar had 3 pending retals from PDM all at once. We came out way ahead but he had a rediculously high break for his NW and cost me stock and conversion time taking them.

Blows dudes, dates dudes, and now loves dudes. pLow just can't get enough dude

Why is everyone saying he banged a drunk chick in the bathroom? It was clearly stated in the other thread that he blew a dude and then ask what it tasted like.

To my knowledge no. Tisya is sick today and isn't planning on being online. Not sure TAN's schedule. I normally handle IA but Tisya is having me handle another FA matter, I can take care of this too shouldn't be an issue.

I'm Big_Ben in #earthempires.

Ok just to some this up:

Direct quotes from plow in this thread:
"i completely blew it"
"he who laughs first gets plowed"
"bfs been calling me non stop all day"
"his words were how does my d>ck taste my repsonse how does mine?"

So basically I'm reading this as plow blew some dude. plow even said "he who laughs first" so plow admits not only that it was a dude but that he laughed. Then it appears they are now bfs. Then they had a discussion about how each others' dic|<s taste.

Guessing plow forgets that we have the pics of his last gay rendezvous in the PDM member's only section. We've been keeping them private since we thought you were still in the closet but since you came out may as well post them?

It's TheMatrix's country. Him and bravado were the only 2 left after the war since they went into vacation and bravado was too high for anyone to FA and Matrix had a bit more stock.

I would also point out that Matrix was following Rockman's allx techer which worked fairly nicely. Although I found a little bit of the startup the could be better optimized in the future.

If anyone hasn't figured it out by now we were the ones the did the oil buyout last night. I'm very surprised at how low the top 10 is though. We'll see if it holds.

These top 10 numbers are extremely low, way lower than I thought they would be. If we hadn't been tag killed there would have been 3 PDM'ers competing with you Tit.

Tepes: I thought were rejoining PDM next reset? We are having a large reunion reset and *should* be netting in peace.

Pride: He bailed to LaF when LCN hit.

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Does anyone have the actual formula for the NW factor when calculating SS/PS gains?

I know it is 1 when the target's NW = 105% of your NW and bottoms out around .44 when the target's NW approaches 60% or 200% of your NW. Boxcar calculates it automatically but I was curious as to the actual formula for my own use.

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Just to point out we worked with LCN on several occasions where our retal policies differed and several time let LCN retal per their policy without using your policy to our advantage when it would have benefitted us.

Everytime there was a dispute we negotiated with your FAs and never acted prior to that. If you actually check the amount of land exchanged in hits/retals between PDM and LCN up until your suicider hit us you will see that it was fairly even (was actually slightly in LCN's favor). You can't say that PDM was trying to enforce strange retal policies for our benefit.

I think that either the leadership of LCN never relayed what was actually said/arranged/approved during FA negotiations or they did and their members just don't care.

PDM would have had 2 in the top 10 this reset, 3 if the LCN suicider wouldn't have happened.

As a clan we aren't great netters but I would argue that we do have great netters in PDM still. Give us a reset to actually prove it and I think you'd be fairly surprised at what we can do.

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I believe it is Earth tradition for the bride's alliance to give the groom's alliance a dowery of a minimum of 20k acres. We will be awaiting TIE's response.

huh?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Rockman made top 100 with his 99 acre netter back when there were 5k+ countries still in the game. I am pretty sure I could make top 25 without attacking at all this reset if I wanted to but I am aiming for top 10 so attacking is a must.

And you are right Rockman, when a veteran player that is LGing all reset ends with less land and lower nw than someone playing all-x it does look bad. But you also have to understand that most players (especially now) play for fun. They log in for a few minutes everyday to relive the nastalgia of the past and play their turns. The same goes for people that just sign up as new members. They are looking for something that is fun and can pass the time. Some will decide that they like the competition and are gifted at it and will go further. Those players will always succeed. However for the game to benefit overall we have to keep bringing in more players and that means making it "fun" to play casually. Giving them targets to hit without the fear of getting farmed in return allows that.

And what would be so bad about it adding them in? You're only arguement is that we don't need them to be successful. What would they actually hurt?

1) After you explore tomorrow I bet you are one of the top all-x countries for land. Thats because you know how to maximize # of CS, when to batch, and I'm sure before you batch you get your bonuses to use on turns and also wait until you get the 18 hour bonus, a lot of all-x players don't and you can't expect new people to know that. But you have the ability to grab in alliance.

2) You run all x because you know how to play it well and you enjoy it. People that join up just to play for fun (and yes they are almost all in the 13-18 age range) just want to kill stuff at first. Giving them viable targets will help to keep them interested and around longer. Thats what this is all about.

My issue isn't with the amount of land in the server. It is how accessible it is to new players that want to come in and attack something. This would give them that option. You can't tell me this environment is hospitable to new untrained players to join up and play right now? At least not in relation to the environment say 7-8 years ago.

You are also one of the top players and have no issues getting land. The more players this game has, the better it will be. You remember the hayday of 10k+ players in alliance. New players can't survive in this environment unless they immediately join a good alliance and learn that way. By making it easy for new players to not get farmed the first day out of protection it will encourage them to stay and maybe build the member base.

How many players in the game started in the past year? Versus how many have been playing for 5+? You have to keep adding or eventually it will die off more.

In another game that I played inexperienced players and late starts were farmed for resources excessively to the point they would always quit. To help solve the problem that game had resource villages that didn't belong to any real players that could be farmed for resources, they gained defense at an accelerated rate to prevent abuse.

What about the idea that EE do the same? This goes more for alliance than the other servers but could be applied there as well. Basically at the beginning of a reset EE would create automated countries. They would be all-x, pure defense, very slow growing. Here are a few points that I think would be important though:

1) They have to be defense heavy to make sure that the land comes at a price for the attacker. Could be D allied with other land bots, have high weapons tech, or just a lot of turrets.

2) They either have to be capped to a certain NW or their NW grow at an extremely slow rate. GDI would also be a must. This prevents huge countries from just farming them constantly since once they get so large they will be out of GDI/humanitarian range. These are meant to benefit newer players that aren't great at grabbing, not the top guys.

3) These could either be automated to just "grow" at a certain rate in terms of land, defense, and NW or they could literally be bots that have a loose "strategy" defined that explores, builds, buys food as need, buys defense at the end of their turns. They should be set at slightly different rates/strats so that they aren't all identical.

4) They should be untagged and still killable. If an alliance doesn't like them being around they can kill them off but they would have to find them first. If they are fairly random growth rates/strats this may be a bit harder than one would think. They could also restart as well to keep their # constant.

5) This could put an infusion of land back into Earth. Having more LG targets for the smaller guys would ease the burden on them. This would also make All-x countries slightly less popular and bring the idea of bottomfeeding back without farming the crap out of new players. I would suggest 50-100 of these countries and it could be started small and increased with need to avoid unforeseen consequences. They would mostly all be kept in DRs for the first half of the reset and wouldn't give up too much land per hit based on supply and demand. Overall I think this could put an extra 10% land in the game which if managed right would be distributed at the bottom, not the top of the food chain and could be worked up by normal grabbing means.

I'm sure something similar has been suggested several times, I didn't search past the first 2 pages. I just think it would provide more LG targets and not force people to live off of pure ghost acres and all-x strats.

Does anyone actually know the original start date? Or even around when the first reset was? I haven't been able to find it. The furthest I can find talk of is spring/summer of '98 but the game was already going fairly strong by then so I'm not sure.

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