"An armed society is a polite society" -Robert Heinlein

TAN, I am sure you saw the story I directed at iScode on the other thread. With that in mind, protection of my children is #1 in my mind with firearms. Second of all, they are fun to shoot. My folks own a nice farm in VA with a gun range, and we have people out a couple times a year and put a few thousand rounds downrange. Everyone has a blast, and we blast a lot of fluff. Third, if SHTF those with guns will make the rules and make it through.

Have you looked into Connecticut Carry? According to them, there are literally 7x as many gun owners ignoring the law as are complying.

http://articles.courant.com/...fles-gun-registration-law

I cannot get the "open letter" to the state legislature to load, but it is pretty freaking ballsy.

Correia was only a finalist. So was The Wheel of Time. I am surprised it didn't win, since Tor managed to get the whole series nominated as one entry.

Yeah, but I am confident nobody at the Con that votes for the Hugos is holding forth on that 2a.

Second amendment. Right to bear arms. If you're not American probably not a fun convo lol, you should still read correia, he is very entertaining.

For a citizen reaction to gun control overreach, see Connecticut. They are a powder keg right now. Cops are refusing to enforce the law because 100s of k are refusing to comply.

See, I actually do admit when I am wrong! Who knew? :P

Ok, is that a real no or a "keep my position consistent" no?

TAN, I just want to tel you I looked deeper into the 12 witness thing... The person who reported it has recanted her claims. You were right about that part.

Although, the St. Louis paper has a lot of witnesses who back the cop. So although I might not know all the facts, enough is out there to start drawing conclusions. In reality, we probably never have *all* of the facts about anything ever.

I never claimed to. I just posted a relevant link. I don't think I have posted anything here directly related to "the facts" prior to what appears to be a relevant link.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/...ncounter-with-mike-brown/

Not familiar with this site but all claims linked to sources.

Anyone pay attention to this? The 2a discussion on the ferguson thread got me thinking about it. Larry correia is a huge 2a guy.

Whatever your feelings on the subject, the grimnoir chronicles is worth a read. You can actually see him maturing as a writer throughout the trilogy. The monster hunter books are fun too.

Tan, the afghanis have been holding off overwhelmingly superior militaries (is that the correct plural?) for a looooooooooong time.

Bombay is absolutely correct about the intent of the second amendment. You don't have to do much reading to discover what the founders had in mind. Just like freedom of speech and the press applies to the internet, the Supreme Court found in the heller case that the march of technology has no bearing on the right to bear arms.

When did it become radical to want to follow the us constitution in the us?

With the small teams on this server it is mostly peeps who know each other. Frequently they will have coordinated starts to be complimentary - ie tech rings, or in my case one front running commie Indy to deter grabs and do retals.

Correct, any laws restricting a citizens access to weapons is against the constitution. Thanks for recognizing that.

I can't understand a) how bar fights became the issue and b) why said fights are written off as "no big deal." I am a physically large person, big enough to intimidate off most morons, not big enough to get "picked out" by randoms with something to prove. I have had plenty of drunken fisticuffs, but never at a bar. Reason being, I know quite a few people who have been hospitalized with serious injuries following bar fights. When the Buffalo Wild Wings opened in my town, they had a guy die in a fight the first 6 months they were open. Funny thing about beer bottles, they are pretty fluffing dangerous. Alcohol leads to violence and poor choices, so you have picked pretty much the worst possible scenario to argue your "fights aren't that bad" point.

Another point - you don't have to shoot someone for the gun to do its job. See my story above. Just the thought that someone would be pointing a gun at the perp was enough to make said perp try elsewhere. Same deal with folks "feeling froggy." Nobody picks on the guy open carrying.

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Scode, I responded directly to your statement with an example that shows why your statement is horse puck. You didn't specify "situations like this" in your statement about needing a gun to defend your family. You just said if you need one you don't deserve to live. You are worse than nancy grace at this.

(Since you are not American, Nancy grace is a woman on cnn whose show is entirely comprised of hysterical fear mongering of the worst kind mingled with exploitation of every tragedy, always accompanied by huge screaming banners that yell breaking news even if the story is 3 years old)

You know how to get a hold of me if you ever need to vent!

I have to be bigger than "fresh restart" first silly.

Aw, lame, right when I came back! Who am I going to trade witty banter with *now?*

Really TAN? Hey pot, I have kettle on line 3 for you! He says you're black.

Alright mr. Internet tough guy, I am going to share a story with you. This happened on liberty street in long branch New Jersey, in 1983 or 1984, I am sure you can find the news stories on google if you want to fact check me.

I was very young at the time, as I was born in 1980. My parents were divorced. My older brother and I lived with my mom. One night, my mother (awake at weird times due to weird nursing hours) heard someone coming into the house. She hollered "James, get the gun!" (James is my brother) and the guy bolted.

From our house, he went to our neighbors house. He tied up a the mother and daughter, made them watch him kill the father, then raped and killed the mother in front of the daughter, then raped and killed the daughter. Firearms saved my whole family's life that night. There was no practical chance of my mother fighting off a thug intent on harm. There was no chance of my 7-8 year old brother doing it. There was no chance of 3-4 year old me doing it.

The cops were *at our house* while our neighbors were being tortured raped and slain. This is a neighborhood, not a rural area like I live in now.

Now tell me again why that family shouldn't have had guns to defend themselves from that sick fluff. Tell me how they didn't deserve to live.

So scode, you don't think women should have the right to defend themselves from violent rapists? If Wladimir Klitschko decides to force himself on every woman he meets they should just have to take it?

Yeah, that doesn't sound like the GE I remember

Every situation is different. If someone I know takes a poke at me in the heat of an argument, we'll beat each other bloody and be friends the next day. Been there done that.

If I am out and about and a random comes at me, I cannot guess their intent. I cannot ascertain their level of skill. All I can do is judge what I see, and if what I see is 300 lbs of pissed off charging at me, game over.

There you guys go, ruining a fun ribbing session with facts lol

Here you go, more fodder to call me crazy, I am passing firearm safety on to another generation. You're not invited when the zombies come. :P

http://www.fredericksburgparent.net/...one/1883-nice-shootin-tex

FTR, I am usually not on the side of the cops. When the perp clearly initiated the confrontation, it is a different story.

[quote poster=H4xOr WaNgEr; 32845; 593621][quote poster=VicRattlehead; 32845; 593611]Good to see that TAN is still dumb. Some things never change.

Shoot center mass. If the target doesn't go down shoot again.

Actually, when I shoot I practice firing twice rapidly, then sidestepping, then firing twice, etc., so waiting for him to go down wouldn't happen.

Nationwide, fists are already recognized as lethal force. By the accepted legal standard, he was in danger of his life and thus is justified in shooting the [kid]. [/quote]

That is so out of touch with reality it is almost offensive. Nobody deserves to die over a fist fight, and in the vast majority of circumstance neither party would expect a fight to end with a mortality. Considering yourself to be in "life threatening danger" over a fist fight is pretty far fetched, and clearly anyone shooting over such things places little value in human life.

A third of the population would probably be dead via gunshot wound if fistfights were the standard for killing.

Sure people die in fist fights but it is very uncommon. Most fist fights get broken up when it is clear one side is "done". [/quote]

I didn't say I thought it should be that way, I said it is. Legal precedent matters, and the precedent is that for the purposes of self defense cases, fists are lethal weapons.

TAN, glad you remember me as a gun loony haha I am one of he he safest people with firearms you'll meet. Friend me on FB and I will show you pictures of many people shooting in safety at my folks farm.

Good to see that TAN is still dumb. Some things never change.

Shoot center mass. If the target doesn't go down shoot again.

Actually, when I shoot I practice firing twice rapidly, then sidestepping, then firing twice, etc., so waiting for him to go down wouldn't happen.

Nationwide, fists are already recognized as lethal force. By the accepted legal standard, he was in danger of his life and thus is justified in shooting the [kid].

Okie dokie PM the address I'll be right there

Ford is gonna drag down your average. :P

Ford, maybe we can screw up our destock together, like old times!

Hmm, if you are interested in some help or advice I am sure most of us would be willing to help.

16? I thought it was 20. Uh oh.

Yeah, you'd probably be better off with him though lol I will try not to eff it up.

Lolwut? Ok.

... And is this the cooperative server they try first?

I see a couple here, and got an in game message from one. I don't remember many newbs last time I was around. Encouraging.

Eff that, I am farming you down! Make way for my f15s!

Ok then, I remember sf. What's up brother?

Man, I talked with him on the phone one of my last few days playing back in '11, didn't realize his number was so close to being up. :( lame.

Ok, so I will get that on my phone I guess thanks. Any apple people?

Well that explains why the mibbit isn't working. How about the apps? Any thoughts?

I am having trouble with the mibbit thing on my device. What is a good (free) app? I already got two from the App Store, mango and IRC999, but I can't figure out how to join the right server.

In my defense, I am kind of an idiot.

Also don't hit people with lots of tanks. That is a bad idea.

You think that's enough? My experience this last express reset suggests it isn't, and I was teching so not real fat.