Why do I bother playing this game?

because you got injured during hockey tryouts and were relying way too heavily on a triple deke move that Charlie could still only half grasp makiing you question your ability as a hockey coach, so you gained 40 pounds, quit shaving and moved back into your mothers basement and found this game.

the rest is history.

That sucks, locket has been hit also.

Maybe we should all petition the admins of the game to allow the mods to reverse the effects of clear blatant unprovoked sucides?

I think there is big support in this community for something like that. If enough people speak out something will have to be done about these unsolicited unwarranted sucides by players who play with the ONLY intent of ruining innocent people.

Suciders should have zero rights in this game, they are cancer.

Suiciders have always been a part of the game, and at this point it should be fairly clear that most untagged countries aren't silly newbies but vets looking to stir things up.

This looks par for the course based on what I've seen over the past couple 'sets.

I've proposed such a system to rollback suiciding numerous times and its never found much support :(

but I do agree that it would be a goddamn headache to administrate especially (on this server). Who gets rolled back? What constitutes a suicider? If I don't roll it back for you is it because of my secret underlying agenda to harm you and/or your alliance?

At this point, I'd bet we'd run out of untagged land if the ability to suicide was curtailed as no one would bother to run untagged countries.

Didn't Bottom feed once, only landtraded. Had many pleasant and fun communications with players in other guilds, even traded with SOF as an MDer!

2001 A (+881)
2088 A (+1086)
2197 A (+1142)

Chance for #1 flushed down the tubes, just great!

qz's got a fix for that! :D

I agree it would be a bit time consuming, possibly. I bet we could get a volunteer panel willing to review and then submit the evidence to martian for final approval for such cases taking much of the burden off you and your staff while still controlling the decision. I understand it wouldnt work 100% of the time but even if it was only 50% effective that's 1/2 the people affected by it.

How many times do you think lame-tards are to suicide if their damage gets rolled back? You'd take the wind out of their sails and hopefully they would just go away. I think you'd find more support than not for it Pang, and even if not, its the right thing to do for the game and you know it :)

Not to mention now my GA multiplier is crap for days because of that. I had several Trades still lined up that I can't honor.

Pang: Please!

Solve the land issue and there's no reason to put up with this if we don't have to. I don't have any particular opinion on how this would be handled from an admin perspective, but Requiem is right that this would stop being an issue very quickly after a few rollbacks.

iccyh Qz has bots that he can turn on providing unlimited untagged acres. They would play with an AI. I think they are good enough to run rainbows etc right now...

So we don't need untagged suciders to farm if he does that :)

This will be the death of non-bot untagged countries on alliance if this happens, though. Depending on how suiciding is defined, smaller countries will have little to no recourse when they're farmed into the ground.

Look at the news on the country in question and it becomes clear pretty quickly why MD got hit, for example.

MD barely hit the guy compared to other alliances before he went on his "Top Feeding" spree.

Not to mention My country #211, never once hit him and didn't bottom feed at all throughout the set.

And that might still be ok, this is alliance server after all. Anyone who plays on this server and never intends to tag up somewhere probably needs to move to the primary server anyways.

Rolling back countries that were suicided upon would be opening pandora's box. Like pang said, it'd be tough to lay out all the rules and regulations upon rollbacks.

I think before this is considered/implemented - perhaps we should find a way to rollback/compensate (lost turns) folks who were incorrectly deleted. Their countries linger in limbo for days until the mods are able to review their claims. They're out days worth of turns even if they've been found innocent.

Removing suiciding all together would completely remove (or rather greatly diminish) smallish alliances' abilities to damage larger alliances, as well as individual countries' ability to get back at folks farming them. You might as well make a separate netting server then.

What on Earth is wrong with someone attacking other countries?

There is no right to land trade, ignore defence and stay untouched.

I am not sure Earth is your game. Try the Sims.

There is a solution for getting your country suicide on. ITS CALLED A PROERLY BUILT COUNTRY

The suiciders would just apply to a legit alliance, using their tag protection to amass even more resources with which to suicide with, until the suiciding time comes. Now you've just got a better eqiupped suicider, and the alliance that the suicider joined now has to likely pay reps as well! Even more damage!

Trife to be clear- I mean in the situations where it is IMPECCABLY clear it was just a sudide grifer. I understand there is a lot of grey here but you know what I mean when i say IMPECCABLY clear?

Furious999- this is just my opinion as one man. I don't feel like anyone has the right to play as a sucider and in fact if this were my game I'd do everything I can to eliminate it. I would want to protect my users from griefers. If you don't agree that is fine, you don't have to.

I have to side with the "suicider" here even though I'm a netter and I hate having my country ruined for no reason. But... seems like there was a good reason here?

Bombay is in MD. Well, before this guy attacked him,...

2014-10-27 22:39:38 PS MarixinhuanA (#93) MD playing for keeps (#453) 28A (34A)
2014-10-27 22:39:24 PS MarixinhuanA (#93) MD playing for keeps (#453) 37A (48A)
2014-10-27 22:39:14 PS MarixinhuanA (#93) MD playing for keeps (#453) 45A (63A)
2014-10-27 22:38:53 PS MarixinhuanA (#93) MD playing for keeps (#453) 55A (85A)
2014-10-27 22:38:05 PS MarixinhuanA (#93) MD playing for keeps (#453) 66A (112A)

2014-10-23 23:21:39 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 71A (80A)
2014-10-23 23:21:36 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 91A (107A)
2014-10-23 23:21:34 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 113A (140A)
2014-10-23 23:21:27 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 139A (178A)

2014-10-22 00:04:49 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 43A (56A)
2014-10-22 00:04:45 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 55A (76A)
2014-10-22 00:04:25 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 67A (101A)
2014-10-22 00:04:20 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 80A (134A)
2014-10-22 00:04:12 PS Yoda Humping Zoidberg (#260) MD playing for keeps (#453) 93A (176A)

the country had already been hit by MD 14 times. Now he hits back 3x and it's suiciding? Granted, he seems to have given LCN a free pass, and maybe there's something sketchy going on. But isn't he within his right to hit the top MD country after MD has farmed him for being untagged, hitting him 14 times?

Furthermore, how is your potential winning country able to get broken by an SS from *a guy who had been attacked 93 times*?

Again, this guy may be sketchy, seems to basically be a landfarm for AzN StyLe RiCe (#33) just about, but why shouldn't an untagged who gets farmed be allowed to go after the clans who farm him?

quite right.

His PM to me.

Message from playing for keeps (#453) sent on Nov 11, 21:22
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told you i would get you guys back after killing me for no reason last set.

Apparently he was some untagged that got killed last reset?

14 of 93 times he was hit this set by MD, not really a high %. But I got a PM from him saying this was retribution for some unknown killing last set? How truthful is that? Dunno. Just what he pm'd to me. I didn't really even play last set, so he sure showed me for nothign I did last set to him :)

that's the thing. you've gotta definite impeccably clear. and even then, what's the problem? what if i absolutely hate xHANx, they ruined my top 3 finish a few resets back. can I not hit them out of the blue this reset? why not? just because it was in the past?

if so, that'll change the politics of alliance server more than anything in the history of earth since most of this game's wars have been due to resets old grudges/issues.

Basically, it seems like there's a double standard and a sense of entitlement from big alliances. "We're allowed to farm you, but if you fight back, you're a 'suicider' and there's a problem with the game." That's not fair. (Do the untagged countries join for the purpose of suiciding in the first place? I don't know, maybe, but it's clear other countries drew first blood on this guy.)

Everything traces back to something that is endemic to Alliance - there is no land to grab! There are pacts everywhere, just a few untagged countries to farm, and the server is inherently busted because of it. Lots of people don't like land trading but it's the same reason land trading has become in vogue. The solution isn't to nerf land trading either, because that still doesn't solve the core problem with this fluffty server.

One solution would be to put all-explore bots into the game. Then people would have countries to grab, actual real untagged people who want to play the game wouldn't be farmed so mercilessly, could actually play the game, and would have no excuse for suiciding, etc. Of course bots would also be very sterile... what's the fun in attacking someone you know is literally programmed not to attack back? You wouldn't need to run defense etc. In the end, I think Alliance server is unsalvageable. #PlayPrimary #PlayExpress #PlayTournament #GoSolo #EEHashTagsInAForumsPost

who knows hehe. was he killed by MD last reset? probably. for no reason? hmmmm probably a matter of opinion haha.

oh the bots would presumably fight back when abused.

and the discussion above shows why we can't just roll back ppl who were attacked by griefers. :p

but mechanically it's fairly possible to record and restore.

Wow, these bots are more high tech than I imagined. Interesting

There is nothing wrong with the game mechanics, nor the "suicider". The server is not busted due to lack of land, everyone is on an even playing field. We all get the same amount of turns and how we choose to use them combined with interactions from other countries defines our finish.

Does what this guy did suck? Yes. Would I be mad if it happened to me? Yes. Should we roll back countries to what they were before this type of attack.... No.

Want to get fat and win? We all do, but it shouldn't be an entitlement.

I don't think I ever asked for a roll back did I?

I wasn't directing my statements to anyone in particular, just to the crowd in general calling for roll backs and nerfing suiciders.

Just annoyed at the time and effort I put into this set to have that happen :(

Would you object if you got a roll back though>?

Suicider are part of the game. If you're a dict trader with low defense and no d allies, don't cry when you get hit.

sucks bombay, you were doing very nicely.

but i did very much enjoy our lenghty discussions- this is why you play.. becsuse im so fun to speak with!

Your alliance hit me unprovoked last set and killed me. I asked politely not to be hit when I started my second country and you went ahead and killed me again for NO REASON AT ALL.

This is called payback!

I didn't have low defenses. But low is a relative term, isn't it?

I'd object to a rollback , I wouldn't want anything done on the fly for me. If at the beginning of a reset a policy changes, then so be it.

This guy managed to get together 2 million jets and that allowed hinm to have fun.

The way to deal with this is not to roll anything back, it's to have 4 million turrets.

You choose to be a member of MD and get benefit from your membership. But that benefit does not come free. Last set MD killed off this guy's country (he put work into that country and was disappointed, as you will readily understand). This set he has taken revenge. It is just no good saying that you personally did not kill his country. You wear the MD tag and take the good and the bad of that as it comes.

He has done well with his revenge. Send him a reply to his message congratulating him. Tell him you had entertained high hopes of the top spot and that while you will still try for it you believe his efforts will leave you short and that you are disappointed. That is what he wanted. At least give him the satisfaction.

And who knows - if you press on with your assiduous land trading maybe the setback will not be as bad as you fear.

I'm pretty sure this is working in cahoots with the guy running AzN StyLe RiCe (#33). They did the same thing last reset.

I know how that feels :X

We've all lost awesome finishes to suiciders. I lost a whole alliance to md coming back and deciding to gangbang us with no rationale or reason other than "we wanna." Which is the genial and which the mortal sin in this circumstance?

IOW, quit whining. You (collectively) have earned every grudge people have against you, just like every other alliance.

Which countries did you run? Find them on this link and let us know:
http://www.eestats.com/alliance/all/ranks/672

I`ll FA you Bombay - i don`t like netting anyway. It`s booring!

And yea - suiciders get people out of this game. But really there is few a regular member can do about them. Only admins can prevent that kind of action ...

The regular members create the suiciders. Very few people start a game like this and decide the first thing they want to do is wreck the good countries with no provocation. They get pushed around and crapped on and they decide to get revenge.

The suiciders on this server are/were part of group that hates the other group... I am not talking about the n00b that sends 1 em and 2 failed SS here.

Those folks are clearly earth vets that just want to fluff things up.

Same sh¡ts different set. Dumbasses should stop being cheap and carry more defenses. HAHAHA

I suppose this won't be surprising coming from me, but I honestly don't care if we don't have any more untagged players, since that's not what this server is for anyway.

We do need to, collectively, do a better job of recruiting the ones that show up to alliances, rather than just farming them into the ground, though.

Maybe a change to the Ghost Acre DR formula. For example if a guy like #453 farms you and jacks up your GA DR, once that country is killed his hits affecting your GA DR go away.

We killed someome off unprovoked last set... last set, we were at war the entire set.........