Military tech now raises private market sell prices instead of lowering them. The effect of Military Tech on Private market purchase prices is not changed. The theo bonus and military bases still work in the same way.

We are applying the inverse of mil tech. So if a country had 90% military tech, private market sell prices would be increased by 100/90 ~= 11% instead of 10%.

Players always had to choose between getting or not getting military tech. Military tech was the only tech that had negative side effects in some cases. In some ways, this was good. For example, this caused a split in demo destocking strategies. In some ways, this was bad. Just ask a tyranny farmer at war.

Reversing the effect of mil tech should strengthen farmers, especially those at war, slightly strengthen CI destocks, increase demand of mil tech towards the end of the set, and depress military prices around the end of the set. Effects will vary depending on the server length, obviously.

It's impossible to predict how everything will end up, but we'll change things around (or even reverse this change entirely) it if imbalances the game too much. Specifically, we want to be sure that farmers won't be too strong or that mil prices won't be depressed too much near the end of the set.

This change will go into effect as each server restarts.

Probably cuz you hate all of us and want us to die :(

I second aos :P

to keep public market price from dropping so drastically when resellers kick in?

tho.. instant sell for resellers sounds intriguing.

zarcon i think its an additional effect instead of a replaced effect

booo!

there goes having resellers.... and the main use of military tech, although getting rid of the tech lowering sell prices is a great idea

Will Hs still start with 20% lower PM sell prices?

my guess is that you are about to strip theos of their construction bonus,
so for the last six months you have been giving theos one incredible advantage after another to dampen the blow

i hope i am right))))

demand for mil has to be way down as Hs become cashers and techers instead of resellers

military would be more in demand with fewer resellers

hm no i don't think you guys get it.....

you PM buy prices will drop;
but your PM sell prices will increase


they will begin to move closer together.... though they wont ever reach the same point

omg this is exciting! Now this is a prolific change and I think it might be awesome!

this could be huge
i will know in 8 hours and forty minutes))))

if it is on express)))))

a farmer in the top ten?
nahhhhh

if only i had this now....

in team server...

immediatly....

DL you play team server? in wrath perhaps? :p

Non-demo max = 5/6
Demo max = 49/60
Theo max = 107/120 [edit i forgot we changed theo tech max]

That means a non-demo could sell bushels at $38 with max military tech
Demo with max military tech could sell bushels at $39
Theo with max could sell for $28 (edit... theo bonus must be factored in)

HOWEVER for MBR's, MB's will still lower prices on the selling market, so TMBR will still probably sell on public.

uhm clarification question: At what price would a theo with no tech be able to sell bushels for on PM?

This seems a very odd change, but I haven't fully wrapped my head around it yet=)

The same price as always, 0.8 * 32.

yes in wrath :D

we generally go around making ridiculous LG's and annoying people until we get in a fight, and occasionally finish a decent NW.

i totally forgot about the TMBR still being lower due to the other factors lol.

makes it very very interesting..

[quote poster=qzjul]Non-demo max = 5/6
Demo max = 49/60
Theo max = 107/120 [edit i forgot we changed theo tech max]

That means a non-demo could sell bushels at $38 with max military tech
Demo with max military tech could sell bushels at $39
Theo with max could sell for $28 (edit... theo bonus must be factored in)

HOWEVER for MBR's, MB's will still lower prices on the selling market, so TMBR will still probably sell on public. [/quote]


i dont quite get the 5/6, 49/60 andb107/120 business

hes expressing mil tech % as fractions instead of decimals

if you make the denominators common:

demo 98/120
mono 100/120
theo 107/120

i presume to get new private price you divide by the first number then multiply by the second

ok, I messaged you (Slagpit) privately about this. On Evo site...

i hope people give this a chance.

we'll have to wait and see just how strong demo destock is.

but still! good times, had by all.

Has this started on the alliance server yet?
The reason I ask is my private sell price on bushels is steadily dropping as I get more military tech.
I have 87 % military tech and my private market sell price for bushels is $28. I even sold one just to be sure the display was correct.
You sold 1 Bushels
This generated $28 in new funds for your country!

No worries about farming strats getting any real bonus..The sell price in PM is not worth the price of the early tech..
Any fears of this making a farmer a stronger strat are un-warranted..

this is a pretty huge change (unlike many of the simple bug fixes etc. that are also advertised on Announcements page), and I'm not sure your first post gets that across...

Its not that big a change if you think about it...

sure it is, food will rise to a floor of $39 fast - or a demo w/ mil strat can sit on a few thousand land and buy all the food he can under $39 and sell it on the private and make easy cash. Sure it will be a bit slow and painful at first, but then when you have a few hundred mil rolling, you could start to rake it in, all easy money without spending a single turn.
I tested it in express -

also it doesn't seam to affect tmbr- so this is a big change.

yah exactly.

i'll give food a higher floor strengthening farmer as an early strat. How much will it affect food peaks? I havnt really thought about that yet....but thats all this change will do.

its not as revolutionary a change as i initially thought it would be.

food floor on public is now $39. How exactly is that not a big change. Lol fool...

this will put more money into the system, should help all sales of goods / techs as there will be more money available to spend.

it doesnt change the mechanics of current strats. the same strats that have been used for the past x years will all still essentially work - perhaps with some tweaking ofc.

There is a limit to how much tech a country needs...

Reselling this way only helps Demo's without MilBases really, because Mil Bases still depress your market sell values.

Even with maxed out Mil tech Mil bases still drop your PM bushel Sell into the 20's. So it's not really an instant sell for resellers, it does however inflate the Private market price, and make some interesting plays for Demo bushel reselling off the public market.

yes i made several million on express with demo buying food and reselling publicly last night

the one thing it does is make it so that no F should sell on their own private market
put it out their for 37 and even if it 9 million bushels one democracy can buy it all in five minutes

and yes if you had mil bases the strat self destructs

Good change

It is not working for me. The more military tech I get, the lower my private market sell price. At this point in the game, it doesn't really matter but it might when destocking.

Military tech still lowers private market sell prices on alliance and ffa because they have not restarted yet.

OK, thanks slagster, that's all I needed to know.
Thought maybe I was screwing something up yet again.

Most asinine comment of the year? I think so.

Good change guys. And Slag's first post was clear about what the change was... people here are just a little slow and got confused by the title I think.

-Fooglmog
Guy with no clue.

once they see it in action it will be easier to understand -

play a round of express and try it, then just explore with no defence and see what it does.


lol SLAGSTER FTW !!

Really, Fooglmog, ... Really?
Most asine post of the year. Cool ! Only three months to go and I win. Who would have guessed that I even had a shot.
Really, I wasn't even trying. Thanks !
I am truly sorry you got your panties in a bunchover my post.
I can see why it bothers you so.
wtf is a fooglmog any way? Stupid name of the year, I think so.

That means a non-demo could sell bushels at $38 with max military tech
This goes for CI also??
+20% Technology Effectiveness
This Government description always fools me

yea that's same for CI; they'd just need less tech to get there

How is MBs going to affect this?

Is max food sell price max mil tech and no MBs? Or will MBs increase it more, or not afect it?

MBs decrease private market sell prices.

in tourny food never went below 39, maybe 38 that i saw last set. no more 32 food destocking end set

Actually the first post wasn`t clear at all...

`Military tech now raises private market sell prices instead of lowering them. Private market purchase prices are not effected.`

The first time I read this, I thought it meant that military tech will no longer have any impact on PM purchasing prices (because thats what it means, as currently stated).

better working now h4?