if you were buying stuff and got 0,0, that has been fixed

if you were bought from, go to Buy Goods or Buy Tech and it should reimburse you for any difference between what the market thinks you sold and what your country thinks you sold......

If we lost stuff on the market what should we do if it has not been refunded? I can give country number and server info if needed.

PM me with details in that case

I prefer the LIFO publc market over the FIFO one. It provides a more tactical approach to the game.

Although I'm still not sure which one you use yet.

it's LIFO i believe.... though i'd have to check that to be certain, i'm 90% sure ;)

Why would it be LIFO?
I don't understand why the earliest available would not go first.
In theory the guy that got the order in first could never sell..I dunno 'bout that.

Should be FIFO... after all the grocery store always puts the milk with the latest expiration date in from the back!

should be, but lifo is more fun.
I'm sure Swirve used to be LIFO, and so far this new game has felt like FIFO.

I really do think LIFO is better for this game, if it's not already. That's the only part of the game I like playing because we can't grab each other.

I am pretty sure swirve was FIFO. I suppose I strictly speaking never tested it, but I feel like when cycling through huge swathes of bushels that the older ones were cleared first. I never bothered to really keep track of that sort of thing though.

Why is LIFO superior in your opinion? Just from a country playability thing I feel like FIFO is better... as snawdog pointed out, first person to sell can really get screwed that way unless they sell really cheap.

i believe swirve was LIFO

and i believe we tried to emulate E2025 as close as possible ;)

Swirve was LIFO.

I did a lot of market buyouts and transfers.

Trust me.

Alright, I'll trust you guys. I admit I certainly never payed it as close attention as many might.

So, I don't know how much of a hassle it would be to change that, but are there serious pros one way or another? I admit I have never felt the market it to be broken in that regard.

I would argue quite strongly for a FIFO market model.

I see no point with LIFO as an Earth market principle more than a way to opening up the market for manipulation. FIFO is far more fair.

^^I agree

i dunno... does anybody know what mehul's reasoning was?

TBH i don't think it really makes a huge difference other than selling bushels at the end of the reset, and even then you usually have a market clearer....

Well, it just seems to me that if you have bushels on for 2 days at say $55, if that price comes up, why would the guy that just put his up at the same price sell first?
I do see room for manipulation there, i am sure those that have done the buyouts know the ropes.

I think Bushels are the biggest issue since it has the stablest prices and the largest volume. I do think that when it comes to end up set bushel peak and decline that the order does make a difference and it is more fair to sell the older ones first.

As far as market manipulation I see how it is somewhat advantageous to buy off the newer ones first however you still have to get through all the lower prices to get there.

I am guessing Mehul did LIFO because it was easier to code. I doubt he gave it much thought. I suppose in a realism sense, given the choice of two otherwise identical products people will preferentially buy the newer one.

Basically as far as I can tell from "fairness" FIFO makes the most sense, but empirically this doesn't seem to be a big deal, so if it took more than ten minutes to fix I'd probably say it isn't worth it to change.

FIFO... LIFO... Bah. Why can't it be randomized per unit?

EDIT: PS: Are we sure this game is LIFO? Every time I've been online when my goods have been selling, I could've sworn the first in cleared before the last in. And by every time, I mean right now on an undisclosed server that may or may not be named in honor of the first African-American Heisman Trophy winner.

mmm you're right, just looked at the code, I went ORDER BY time ASC so that'd make it FIFO

Not really that big of a deal i think, but it is kinna unfair..

FIFO is unfair?

Ugh. All this talk about LIFO and FIFO reminds me I have accounting labs to work on. Thanks for that. :P

I'm of the opinion that FIFO at lowest available price is a slightly more balanced market model than one using LIFO at lowest price in a server such as Express, where the goods listing and return times are quite short. In a server with a longer market turnover time, not so much of a difference in the overall sales impact between either model.

No, LIFO is.

In a fast game like Express, there is a big difference in selling stuff if it's LIFO or FIFO.
If it's FIFO, and you want a bigger change for your stuff to be sold fast, then you have to sell at a lower price than someone else.
If it's LIFO, then you can just as well put it up at the same price as the market. Yours would sell first anyway.
FIFO sets more competition at playing the market.

sorry, I been busy.
I still want LIFO back, I'll say something about it one day.