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Celphi

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Sep 30th 2018, 13:49:50

# Hello. I am Celphi. And I endorse this request. #

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Marshal

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Sep 30th 2018, 15:11:41

no, no and once more no

that would just make suiciders and rest of morons even worse.

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DancingBear

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Sep 30th 2018, 16:41:57

Many threads over the years have proposed and debated the idea of a missile market.

Pretty much everyone agrees it would destabalize what game balance there is left on earth.

That said, it is fun to talk about a missile market.

One idea i had was to make bought missiles different from self produced missiles. I was thinking the bought missiles would do less damage AND that damage would be duplicated on the sender. That way, munchkin countries could buy some missiles to whack a giant, but would get obliterated in the process. Giant countries could buy a big bag of missiles and smash or kill a munchkin while takiing only modest damage. This might limit soome excesses.

Fun to consider, but it will never happen.

Cheers!

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Sep 30th 2018, 17:02:10

i sell cheap missles

LittleItaly

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Oct 1st 2018, 1:25:41

5000 for a missile would be very cheap lol.

at least $100m floor per missile would make more sense.

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Oct 1st 2018, 2:24:00

I've pushed this issue since the Mehul era, got shot down every time, fluffing tree huggers!

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Gerdler

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Oct 1st 2018, 2:47:39

You could probably make missile market balance-able if you fixed a few game constants.

Would be interested to see how that would play out but a large set of changes like that would require close monitoring and several iterations of tweaks to those changes for a few resets after. And because I doubt that will happen I'm also against it.

villainz

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Oct 1st 2018, 10:26:12

missile market is greatest idea ever.

Mister Ed

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Oct 2nd 2018, 2:00:49

Perhaps the game moderators could expirament by trying this out for just ONE round on the alliance server. Just to see if all of the doomsday scenarios really happen - or if the wild conspiracy theories will be put to bed. Really: what could it harm to expirament for just ONE round?

Gerdler

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Oct 2nd 2018, 2:35:15

Why would you experiment on the server where most players spend the most time for the longest time each reset?

Experimentation on express would work.

sinistril

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Oct 3rd 2018, 2:23:41

Originally posted by Gerdler:

Why would you experiment on the server where most players spend the most time for the longest time each reset?

Experimentation on express would work.

Agree and disagree. Team would be way better for this experimentation than express imo

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Marshal

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Oct 3rd 2018, 17:25:39

we have several teset server so those are best.

Mister Ed

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Oct 6th 2018, 22:54:22

Originally posted by Gerdler:

Why would you experiment on the server where most players spend the most time for the longest time each reset?

Experimentation on express would work.

You've answered your own question. You expirament with the most players and most time during a reset in order to get a nice big set of data to see all of the effects. If you play it on a server that only lasts a week and only has 10 players- you won't have as much data/results to look at. And experimenting on Alliance server will accomplish this.

drkprinc

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Oct 7th 2018, 2:12:11

set price at 1,000,000,000,000 / land, if you want to buy missiles that bad you would still need land to make it viable.

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Mister Ed

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Oct 8th 2018, 6:20:51

How about lowest price is $100,000,000

Marshal

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Oct 8th 2018, 13:12:23

100m is quickly earned, grab unlucky player with stocks (all or partial) at home and sell at 29-35 in priv mkt and you can buy many shiny missiles.

Edited By: Marshal on Oct 9th 2018, 13:56:53
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DerrickICN

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Oct 9th 2018, 8:54:24

War clans would do a chem fs. fluff would be stuuuupid

Marshal

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Oct 9th 2018, 13:58:47

well ofc, it'd save troops/jets and oil and all could be tyrannies to maximize turnusage.

sinistril

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Oct 9th 2018, 15:19:58

If I thought there was a chance of this happening, I'd take the time to model out the EE economy and figure out a good price floor for them rather than people just throwing out numbers. I think DP's idea has the most merit though and would definitely change the way wars are fought in a good way. Instead of going to war on lazy all-x countries people would actually have an incentive to get and keep 50000+ acres

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Oct 9th 2018, 16:44:05

You'll have to get confirmation from someone with a better memory, but I feel like in the first few rounds of the game (Earth 2025) you could buy missiles

Marshal

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Oct 9th 2018, 19:23:23

that's why all want it back.

Mister Ed

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Oct 11th 2018, 21:52:29

Yes let's experiment with this large server and long set to see just how well it works. one round ???

KoHeartsGPA

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Oct 13th 2018, 2:57:42

Netters can sell them, killers can buy them.....

To kill the netter with no SDI :P

drkprinc

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Oct 13th 2018, 21:12:40

well the 250 acres per missile limit should still take effect, you can't buy more then you can hold.

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KoHeartsGPA

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Oct 13th 2018, 23:29:20

Correct

DancingBear

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Oct 14th 2018, 0:27:55

But if there were missiles for sale on the missile market at the time you make the hit (perhaps one waits to make the hit until missiles do show up on the market), then you'd spend cash and shoot missiles until you ran out of cash or turns ... in practice, i think you could probably pass missilies between players using the market. So should missles be available for FA? If you can buy them (and maybe pass them) why not FA them?

I think the balance point is that if you are a big country and want to max missiles, then you need a ton of warfare tech first and then need to run bunches of turns to get those miissiles. Any version of the missile market will tip this over. 4000 acre rainbow countries with max warefare would just make and sell missiles.

Edited By: DancingBear on Oct 14th 2018, 0:35:25
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drkprinc

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Oct 14th 2018, 2:12:28

yeah but no guarantee of enough missiles on market as it would be publicly supplied. and you would have the same rules in place as other commodities only able to sell a portion at a time, or make it you can only sell 2 of each at a time regardless of amount on hand to completely prevent both scenarios with 4-5 hour market times as the norm.

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Marshal

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Oct 14th 2018, 10:19:48

standing order placed for 20 chems at price of 100000 bucks

drkprinc

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Oct 14th 2018, 23:22:01

Originally posted by Marshal:

standing order placed for 20 chems at price of 100000 bucks

then you won't get any at that price.... it should be like I said 1,000,000,000,000 / land, when you put your missiles up for grab you don't get to set a price you get whatever is paid for by whoever bought it based on their land minus commission value. Then if you implement a 2 missile limit per dump thats about 12 missiles a day max you can sell of each type or 36 total per day which is still a good chunk of cash making a new viable wargaining strat if your avg buyer is 50k acres thats 720,000,000 per day in sales at 20m per missile, 10m if they are 100k acres or 200m if they are 10k acres. this will slow down suiciders relying on missiles and allow netters to fight back against suiciders as well.

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Marshal

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Oct 15th 2018, 14:42:24

sez who that i won'r get missile with 100k?

drkprinc

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Oct 15th 2018, 20:18:53

because if you allow a person to set the price for the missile it will be abused there must be a fixed system in place that will adjust the price based on the buyer otherwise someone will just run a missile buying suicider.

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Marshal

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Oct 15th 2018, 20:46:42

true dat.

MISSILE MARKET IS TEH SUX

Mister Ed

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Oct 16th 2018, 11:17:17

Expirament. Missiles for sale next round. Let the buyers determine the price. I imagine the prices will skyrocket naturally.

Marshal

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Oct 16th 2018, 13:13:33

sure since every moron will be crawling out their holes and buying every nuke and chem they can.

drkprinc

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Oct 17th 2018, 5:28:28

Originally posted by Marshal:

sure since every moron will be crawling out their holes and buying every nuke and chem they can.

If we follow something close to what I suggested they would need to have land first to make it viable to buy over producing, 5k acres is 95,000 warfare points even at 4k$ each thats 380m, at 5k acres they could buy just short of 2 missiles with that.

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Marshal

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Oct 17th 2018, 13:55:59

1 tab market, 1 tab attacking

drkprinc

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Oct 17th 2018, 14:10:35

you really don't read do you.... it wouldn't be viable to buy missiles at low acres when you could produce them for a fraction of the cost.

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Marshal

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Oct 17th 2018, 19:28:37

i did read but still hit and buy would be possible especially getting missiles wanted.

Mister Ed

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Oct 20th 2018, 2:04:39

Everyone keeps proclaiming what "will" happen. I say, expirament for one set. Activate missile sales and see what the market does. "Prove" what will happen.

Marshal

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Oct 20th 2018, 9:58:53

sure, do it on express.

Hunter

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Oct 22nd 2018, 1:14:21

Sure do it on Alliance- lots of people playing, lots of data to be gathered. please game MODS Expirament and allow missiles to be sold on the market during the next round of Alliance server to see how it works out. Let the seller set their own prices and the buyer place orders and pay what they will.

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Oct 25th 2018, 13:05:24

If you have low acres and try to buy more missiles than your acreage allows, setup an instability variable (probably set to 5% chance/turn at first, and can be lowered by how much warfare you currently have) where your missiles over cap can blow up, or basically nuke/cm/em yourself.

Edited By: Rasp on Oct 25th 2018, 13:07:39
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Hunter

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Oct 26th 2018, 2:06:00

do it on Alliance- lots of people playing, lots of data to be gathered. please game MODS Expirament and allow missiles to be sold on the market during the next round of Alliance server to see how it works out. Let the seller set their own prices and the buyer place orders and pay what they will. And don't worry about acreage

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Oct 27th 2018, 19:05:14

Experiment*******

drkprinc

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Oct 27th 2018, 19:23:24

Originally posted by Hunter:

Thats exactly why they took it out of the game too easy to abuse we already know what will happen.

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Marshal

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Oct 27th 2018, 19:37:01

1. too big advantage of fs

2. suiciders worse than now

3. everything else

Hunter

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Oct 28th 2018, 12:53:52

Please let us sell missiles on the public market. I imagine prices would go very high because nobody would sell cheap. Test it for one round on alliance server. Just try it and see.

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Oct 31st 2018, 23:05:53

Definitely not for the Alliance server. I could see doing private-market selling, though!

As many have accurately said, it overpowers FSs, suiciders, and all kinds of behaviours we want to limit.

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Hunter

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Nov 1st 2018, 20:29:36

Originally posted by Pang:

Definitely not for the Alliance server. I could see doing private-market selling, though!

As many have accurately said, it overpowers FSs, suiciders, and all kinds of behaviours we want to limit.

How do we know that will happen, unless we try for one round and see? Also we could do sales of cruise missiles only.