1,000,000 barrels sold for $20, when the private market default sale price is $60 on Express. 1,000,000 barrels * $40 profit for private market resale = $40m free money for your start up. Of course you need over $20m cash onhand already to buy it all by SO, but that definitely looks like cheating. The catch is that it'd be rational for EVERYONE to have SOs around $50-55 for oil barrels so it's hard to know for sure if the person who bought the barrels was cheating. The obvious solution besides looking into the account owners here is setting the oil autosale price at $60.

ahh, i don't know if we set an auto-sale....

that said, the auto-sale for bushels is well below the $32 base, so why not for oil as well?

But yea, just stick up an SO for $59 barrels next time! and all will be well! or you'll make out with a HUGE profit ! =D

The base is $29 for food qz, and I bet the autosale is higher than 1/3 of that (ie definitely more than $10), but this oil just sold for 1/3 the oil base.

True; i'd have to look it up

Dude consider the SO's system basically works randomly in the oreder the SO's were placed so there is no way to know who got the oil for 21$... also it's the fault of the guy that placed the oil at 21$ in the 1st place and not that of the guy who bought it.

Just imagine that there are 3 orders for oil:

SO1= 59$
SO2= 40$
SO3=25$

Out of the 3 SO's there a 33% chance that 1 of them will get the oil @ 21$ slightly increesed towards the smaller orders but not with much, now imagine that instead of 3 SO's there are 10-20 SO's then the chances are reduced to between 5-10% for each SO with again slight increese towards the smaller SO's

so actually there is no cheeting there, it's only the stupidity of the player that put the oil on the market :)

Soultaker,

SOs are based on queue. Not a random chance. Meaning if I want to cheat and I'm not the first guy that placed an SO. I would set 3 SOs at $21. Ask my 'friend' to keep sell 1,000 oil at $21 till it hits my first SOs. Once my first SO is filled up, I know my 2nd SOs is next on the queue, I will then ask my 'friend' to sell 1,000,000 oil at $21 to me.

It is obviously cheating. Auto buy from the server is $20. so the next smallest amount is to be on the market is $21.

hmm i didn't think it that way... but wouldn't that take a lot of time?

no, just put up 3 SO's at $21; other people will do the same;

hell, put up SO's at $55... you'll still make money...

Change the SO queue timeout period from 72-96 hours to maybe 12-18 hours on Express. Simple fix?

Yea, could do that i suppose, i never really thought about express; really it should be based on the turn rate....

how does this help? all these can be done within minutes or just a few hours.

yeah I don't see what that suggestion has to do with anything, in fact it would help cheaters by timing out legit SOs and clearing the way for arranged deals

Because in order for your $21 SO to reach the front of the queue (so that the helper's $21 oil can reliably get to to cheater for even the test sale), all other oil SOs in front of it (such as the normal $100 ones) need to have been cleared first. That takes way more than a few hours. You just need a cycling timeout short enough to account for this.

Maybe 12 hours is too long, since goods only take 45 minutes to reach the market, a factor of 16x?
In other servers, goods takes 5 hours, but the SO cycling is 72 hours minimum, a factor of 14x.

This isn't a problem that is unique to Express, but the current 72 hours for such a fast server is obviously a problem.

Also blid, if you think this doesn't fix the problem, then it already is a problem across all servers, not just Express.

Xin,

Maybe 1a and primary will be harder to do so since theres a bigger pool of players. For all other servers such as team express and tourney, not many people would have SOs for oil. The helper can easy find the cheater SOs within hours.

I say just put the server auto buy oil at $60. Solves everything.

Then why don't you make it so that the SO's that under the private market default price don't activate... that would be an easy fix if it's doable or put a minimum price on SO's that is eual with the 1 of the default marker for the goods that can be sold on the private market

or at least make it for oil in express server since there is where oil sells on the market and on the rest of the servers it would ruin the ending for demo reseller finish

Or just let *everybody* put up cheap SO's ?