i think the NW each acre gives should be increased from its current 45 NW to 450 NW.

this would prevent late starts, noobs and untaggeds from the massive farming in all servers without changing the game mechanics itself

Hrm, greater NW stratification by land might not be a bad idea. I'd have to think about this idea in principle before addressing the number 450 as suggested.

would you be thinking of increasing the nw of buildings too?

interesting idea

could do something like that... didn't really consider that aspect of it much

hmm... i had forgotten about buildings

increasing land to 450NW might be a bit much then :P

maybe increase NW for buildings from 35NW to 140NW (4x) and land from 45NW to 270NW (6x)

so a 20k country, fully build would go from 1.6m to 8.2m NW

would make sense for the new grabbing rules where NW is more important then land in returns.

great idea IMO

The more I have thought about this, I am definitely in support of this suggestion.

This would make it harder for very big countries to bottomfeed, however it would also make growing super big even more powerful than it is right now.

I don't know if we need to be giving even more incentives to countries to grow big.

how would it make growing super big more powerful?

I feel like this gives more incentive to other countries to try and grow big, rather than just having a few people camp DRs and bf the fluff out of untags.

Because it gives a noticeable increase in networth to big countries, and it protects them further from topfeeders.

A 60k acre country would have 20m networth more than before.

ok, but does he find enough targets to get to 60k?

and why wouldnt a military heavy country hit him?

It sounds to me like he is going to have to start attacking other clans.

or intra-tag farming.

That already is way too super powerful and will have to be dealt with politically or through game mechanics and should not serve to influence other ideas.

i'm waiting 1st war to happen due intag farming but doubt that would change much since war at team against alliances didn't change anything or changed only for short time.

Your proposed rule change would not protect smaller countries in all circumstances.

Elaborate?

My estimation is that the smaller country could fall out of range only if it had a higher NW/acre in the first place than the larger country. That isn't always true. You'd have to do the math to get the exact circumstances.

can you make a quick spreadsheet with examples Slag?

Eh this might fluff up FFA a bit..

No ghost acres for in-tag hits.

That would force alliances to cooperate on land trading practices.

So what does that accomplish? I can land trade with qz really easily. Likewise PDM1 and PDM2 could land trade nP.

except detsg, 5 ps's in and retag and attacker gets ghosties, to avoid that detagger would need to wait 24+ hrs before being able to tag up on tag he/she left.

/like

no one cares when I suggest anything dc...
but eventually, people come round, coz there's only so much to discuss.

It is good to spread out the NW of the players. Good players (or those with specific styles) will break off and not be able to hit the lower and we'll have to encourage more hitting with other clans within range.

But I dunno how forcing us to to change clan policies will work yet. We still need to reconfigure policies to permit hitting each other more freely (self-retals, or 24 hr retal window, or no first retal). Otherwise you develop a case of clan farming, where the entire team pushes a clan out of range.

btw I lost all my rants in the old rival site, if anyone knows how to get that (ziggy/pg/marcp ;OD)

You would need a related increase in land upkeep for balance, I think.

self-retalling wouldn't work since many wouldn't want to spend money on jets and oil to get their land back (actually part of it).

ttt

this has not been implemented yet ;)

so you want to change the proportion of nw taken up by

land+buildings
tech+military

currently big countries sometimes try to run low military to be able to farm higher, that would be taken away and bottomfeeding would die out much quicker, perhaps put this in place when bots come in and its much easier to keep things graduated rather than having everyone simply stop growing at the same acreage

military heavy countries (or landthin countries) will be able to carry a much higher amount of mil+tech than landphat countries than currently

there wont be any hope of bouncing hits but if land+building net was boosted a lot all countries will be even more breakable at equal networths, there was some talk recently of dropping ps's or the third o ally or not making o allys contribute to ps's though

i dont think its a good idea but i can think of 2 things id have fun with if it did happen

self retals wouldnt combine well with this because of networths changing fairly dramatically

nw gained in a grab would be a lot closer to land % grabbed than it currently is, 10% grab +8% buildings on a dict would increase your nw by close to 18%, pretty much 18% after buying tech and some more defence

but then the other person trying to do the retal to get in the same bracket would have to buy way more jets than they need because jets would be worth so little comparatively

the other edge case would be a smaller in land country that jumps nw to hit a bigger country and ends up carrying so much defence that the retal becomes prohibitively expensive or dumps nw afterwards such that the retal is ineffective

another effect would be on stock stealers, who landgrab a lot of people more with the goal of grabbing stock and getting hard to kill than gaining land (partly because of the limit on dropping land), those people would go up in nw much faster and be much less effective similar to bottomfeeders

a big concern from this is it could make midfeeding much more effective perhap causing more people to get hit a lot until they were unable to be hit rather than hitting those who have already fallen behind

i would suggest doing it to a much smaller degree at first, after bots are in, but doing all the other things to help new players as well such as gradual DR removal and lower ghost acres for multiple hits by the same player and so on

The dynamics of this suggestion are all wrong. The last time Mehul adjusted Networths, everything was changed and that's necessary to keep the game balanced.

Hitting up in networth, a 20k acre country can expect 1-2k land back plus 0.5-1k buildings. At the suggested NW values, that's 340k NW to 680k NW. Meaning any LG where less than 1.13m jets were lost would result in gaining NW. For a 60k acre country near the end of the reset in Alliance, they would be sucessfully topfeed where losses were under 3.4m jets.

Also, this would generate many more ghost acres due to diminished relative damage. Assuming a pair of land traders starting at 10k land, country A at $5m NW ($900k non-land NW) and country B at $6m NW ($1.9m non-land NW).

B hits A for 1000 (1000). A - 9083a, 4.61m; B - 12000a, 6.68m (91.66% damage)
B hits A for 908 (900). A - 8317a, 4.28m; B - 13808a, 7.29m (84.50% damage)
B hits A for 831 (732). A - 7658a, 3.99m; B - 15371a, 7.29m (79.36% damage)

Under current conditions, the second and third hits would have near the same reduced damage as the first, meaning this change would generate 6.5% more land per hit on average.

Increasing the relative NW of buildings/land will incenticize LGing, but the values of 6x land and 4x buildings are too high relative to the value of Military+Technology.

This would be a huge nerf to all-x strats.