the issue is resolved braden, everyone quit. until that happened, they woudln't have stopped. that's just a fact. don't you realize it's possible that one side would insist on warring against the other side's wishes, with no recourse for the attacked side? that's possible, isn't it? im not attacking tso here, just saying how it is. etft was fighting unwillingly for 5 months before they quit with TSO never willing to negotiate. if you had played in etft, you would die. you lived because you made a neutral tag while etft got killed.