This is a clarification lesson for new players to this game who learned to play by the artificial rules of the alliance game.

1. There is no arbitrary time constraints for a retal. A player here can wait until the last day to retal a hit made by you if they so choose.

2. If you're FAT and spy weak and can't defend your tech, you cannot threaten that player with all the power of your alliance, because there IS NO ALLIANCE here. You'll have to manage on your own.

3. If a guy missiles you for a retal and some people will, you should just be a sport about it and move on as long as the player is reasonable in their response, for example...

You landgrab the little sucker, he does not have the military to do anything to you in return, but packed away in his warehouse is a crusty old Scud which he unleashes on you. You were, in fact, the initial aggressor, thus in thie game it is not up to you to determine what response you are willing to tolerate, thus, he missiles you one time in exchange for your one time attack on his land. So, you move on and everyone gets what they got and continues to play and have a good time.

If, however the guy sends a LOT of missiles for 1 grab, then you can feel quite confident that you are doing a good thing by farming the hell out of the target country.

On the other hand, say you had farmed the guy by hitting him three or more times, I would expect that you should have lots of spies and SDI on hand since that would be considered an act of war by most of the players I know, and that opens the door to unrestricted warfare operations. :)

Play reasonable, and you'll likely succeed here, play like you've got LaF in your back pocket and SoF in your fist and you'll likely have a bad time of it.

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LOL if you do any of those things you're a douchebag

how about "if the guy you just missiled for a retal defuses all your other missiles and farms you, either fight back or be a sport about it and move on?"

Now that sounds reasonable.

How about if you make a measly 120 acre grab and the guy retals with two countries and launches 7 missiles and failed military attacks against you.? I got the last laugh though as 3 weeks later their NW is around the same and I'm about 4 times their net. And yeah I didn't farm em' but I have grabbed him a couple times here and there. :)

I think you've got the big picture there Pilate. That could happen and would be something that the targeted country should deal with. I would not have that happen to me, I never use a missile for retals. It's a pointless waste of land that I could possibly get back later. Plus, someone would have to have a hell of a SPAL to be able to defuse my missiles.

That would be cheating on his part, he should be deleted with all his countries.

Basically every player can make whatever rules they want and deal with consequences of whoever else's rules they made. I got a douche bag tech thieving on me right now, and my spal is rising and when he fails imma farm the absolute hell out of the dude.

LOL ^ please tell me who!!!!

Assuming that no one else has hit you more than once this set you can just go down the country list trying to shoot a missile at everyone. Only the country that has been doing ops on you would let you make it to the confirmation screen.

Yes ^ i will need to do so in xpress to find the perp that took cash from me lol

Someone took tech from me too so I double checked GDI rules.. apparantly anyone not on GDI can commit espionage on you - though most likely someone you hit did it to you.

Stealing tech is treated the same as a grab. A person can do it to anyone else any number of times regardless of GDI.

But I think it's different from a grab in that even if they only do it once, you can do hostile ops on them.

They do 2 and voids GDI protection from you

stealing tech does void GDI for you.

Need a strong intel ally Serp? LOL I have large numbers of spies on my tiny little country. They are pissed because they all have to stand on each others shoulders.

Really... Well had I known I could respond with missiles.. Now I got something to look forward to at the end of the set! =D

yeah if you have people stealing tech from you everyday and you do not know who, you can spend 15 minutes and try to AB every single one in the game. If you're in GDI and have not doubled tapped, the person whom the system allows you to AB is the one stealing your tech.

But to save time, always check all the dictators first.

Then the people you grabbed :-)

Oh I know who my target is.. I land grabbed him once and he sent over 20 steal tech ops as a retal. Almost half failed, but he still took a decent amount. He isn't in GDI anyway, but I figured he was protected against my harmful attacks because I am in GDI. If I understood whats being said here though, I get to launch my missiles at him before jumping out of his range on destock.

Yes ^ Pew Pew Pew!

Harmful spy ops counts as a harmful attack exactly like how a SS or PS counts like a harmful attack.

Are you sure? I don't think that's right. In fact I know that in a previous round two Express countries had a planned war and reported they broke GDI on each other by doing a single harmful spy op on one another.

Maybe harmful ops count as 2 attacks? I don't care enough to test this.

I believe they count as a nuke/AB/etc., with the difference that you're always allowed to do them, GDI or not.