Why do i keep failing attacks, the last 2 attacks ive failed, first time was a planned attack and i sent over 1 million more offence units and it was the same the second time as well on a standard attack.

http://earthempires.com/...essful-30703?t=1395896456

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lol@hsifreta

#42

:O

LoL!!!

That DH was way over sent too. Must be that mythical luck bonus or something???

I think I'm done grabbing this set, this last DH pissed me off, I over sent on it, wtf..... Fk mehul.

Most likely reason is defensive allies. D-allies have the power to double someone's defense, they don't usually, but that's how high they're able to go.

You need to spy on the country and check its defense, then check your spy page and review the op to see their weapons %. Multiply the defense by that. If the country has d allies, which you can determine with a spy on alliances op, spy on the d-allies as well. Add up their defenses (raw, no modifiers) and divide by 4. Add that to the target's def. Multiply by an extra 1.1 (random factor). That'll get the true amount that needs to be sent.

Of course, you can then divide by 1.5 if you're sending a PS, and divide by your own weap %, and also, factor in gov types as you go.

That's if you want to be 100% sure of success. Otherwise you can use estimates.

should be no problem. it looks like you've only failed once. was really going to look into your game too. oh well.

anyway.. grabs fail for one or more of several reasons:

1 - government bonus:
a) dict *1.2
b) commi tech difference
c) demo tech difference (less likely)
d) if you're a reppy /0.9

2 - weap tech/def bonus points
a) wrong %
b) if double tapping, their tech increases and your tech decreases after the first grab

3 - def allies
a) *2 if in doubt

4 - pang factor
a) *1.1 for all hits (im not sure whether pang factor is before allies or after, but usually i do 1.1 of the total)

5 - plain stupidity
a) miscalculation
b) sent SS instead of PS
c) didn't check if country NW remained the same before and after calculations
d) typos
e) life fail

5 -
f) readiness is not at 100%

d)
i. Typed wrong country number
ii. Typed wrong send amt

b) commi tech difference c) demo tech difference (less likely)

Those shouldnt be an issue if you go to view ops and look at the %

Also, commi tech difference? Arent demo and theo the only govs with tech differences?

I think it's safe to say he's not #42 lol

do you find you bounce against dictators often?

He is #42.... And he'll finish in 4th this round. He sure had some bad rounds the last few resets though.

Might be. Dict has 125%. :)

Heh..a few years ago I was bouncing from dictators for a while because I started multiplying by 1.1 instead of 1.25 for some reason. Lol.

Attacking someone without def allies (Express and Tourney Servers)
A = Target (Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2) * govern bonus * weapons * def bonus * readiness
SS = A * 1.1 (pang) / your weapons / govern
PS = A * 1.1 (pang) / your weapons / govern / 1.5

Note:Generally most people have 0 def bonus and at 100% readiness


Attacking someone with Def allies(Servers like Alliance, Primary and Team)
A = Target Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2 * govern * weapons *def bonus
B = Def Ally 1(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2) + Def Ally 2(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2)
SS = (A + B/4)* 1.1 (pang) / your weapons / govern
PS = (A + B/4)* 1.1 (pang) / your weapons / govern / 1.5

Note: Target def allies can only double him at maximum. So if B/4 is > than A, you should use A x 2 instead of (A + B/4).

Attacking someone with Def Allies and YOU have Off Allies
A = Target(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2) * govern * weapons *def bonus
B = Def Ally 1(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2) + Ally 2(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2)
C = Off Ally 1(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2) +Off Ally 2(Troops * 0.5 + Turrets * 1 + Tanks * 2)
SS = [(A + B/4) * 1.1 (pang) – C/4] / your weapons / govern
PS = [(A + B/4) * 1.1 (pang) – C/4] / 1.5/ your weapons / govern

Note: Your off allies can only double you at maximum. So if C/4 is > than your own military strength, you can only use your military strength x 2.


Ironically, I've been failing hits too.

haven't yet, why? ah.. saw ka mac's message. i bounce on reppies more often, no idea why though. i usually oversend 20% (round everything up)

commi, + tech efficiency. if you use the normal option on the tech calc, you will fail =P

demo, i havent found a calc that does the tech for demo yet. so maybe its just me.

hsifreta, what?

I've always used the tech % in the saved spy ops page, and it 100% accurate.

Alternatively, you can use http://www.eestats.com/techcalc

It's just you. EEStats has a tech calculator (link 1 post up).

Plus, I almost never use that tech calculator, I just go to my saved spy ops page, and look at the weapons% of the target there (it is correct for the target's government).

It doesnt change the weapons % tho. Its just cost effective for the commy to have to buy less tech

Yep. The formula just multiplies the number of tech points the Commie has by 1.2x, then uses that new value to calculate the tech%. This 20% tech points bonus only makes up for the 10% loss in commission the Commie first loses by selling his military units, THEN another 10% loss on buying the tech, the Commie isn't actually getting more tech% for the same value compared to a Democracy, though it does slightly when compared to non-Demos.

please explain what you mean by saved spy ops page. cuz.. i have no idea. i only see number of pts and not % in these spy ops that i get.

Xin/h2o, do you do pang factor before or after allies?

also same question with demos.

you're right, it doesnt, but if you accidentally went thru without spotting that its a commi, then you will fail. =P just weeding thru the possibilities here

hsifreta

go to spy centre then click on
Review Saved Country Spy Operation Results

pang factor is after allies

The saved spy op page. It's where you view all your saved spy ops.... In those saved ops, it actually shows the proper tech % of your targets. You don't need a tech calculator to figure out weapons tech. Just look at the saved op. just remember your targets def bonus % before going there though, as its not there. Lol

I always take a screen shot of my ops if they have a def bonus, then check the saved op for the correct weapons %.

Here's one...

Does the luck bonus actually increase your mehul/pang factor?

It's touted to be, but nobody can prove it.

Please refer to h2o's posted formulas a few posts up. I've practically never failed using those formulas, and h2o got them from me.

Proof:
http://www.earthempires.com/...mary/leaderboards?type=11

(The fails I have are all traceable to typos in calculation, or forgetting to multiply in Defense bonus%, or not changing SS vs PS in the dropdown.)

It's literally 2 lines up from the "Select Spy Operation:" dropdown box on your spy page.

woah.. serious? and here i've been re-opping people a million times in Express... imagine how many turns i can save =D i've been playing at handicap!

thanks Xinhuan!

so after allies. thanks. cuz sometimes i do pang before allies and it still works.