I can't remember if this was freshman or sophomore year in highschool anymore... And honestly haven't used it since....

I called in allies....

Without really caring.... SoF performed a FS also....

So you say 4 clans, but lets count players,

45(SoL)+35(Evo) = 80 FS 68 (LaF, I recall this being 80+ at start but I'm lazy to find that exactly)
84 (SoF) CS 80 (SoL+Evo)
39(PDM)+38(MD) = 77 CS 84 (SoF)

- Called the SoF FS and the PDM/MD FS's CS's because the targets would have already jumped def. (Still had stored turn advantage LaF didn't get)

Netting 157 vs 148 (was 160+ or is my memory bad) with a FS advantage of 157 countries vs 84 countries. of the 300+ countries involved only 70-80 did not get stored turns (CS) and/or FS advantage in some way....

Sure its 4 vs 2 but in reality it is in absolutely no way a gangbang, and the whole 4 vs 2 is actually a proven DISADVANTAGE organizationally.

You're really asking which side Rival would join?

Or Imag for that matter?

This thread has merit.

Isn't Flamey still in HS? He's the young'un around these parts....

Which alliance is going to show they've got gusto and attempt to change the politics of the game this set as opposed to get themselves involved in a block A vs Block B server war?

Anyone going to cut their pacting down (and I mean WAY down) and make a move to shake things up, or are we going to see yet another lame server war?

I'm looking for a guild with no more than 1 DP, who's DP is NOT involved in any form of DP chaining (meaning the Guild and their DP are DP's with each other only and no others.) And a Minimum number of NAP's (unap or otherwise) Satisfy this and you've got a player, and frankly I'm willing to help wherever.

PS- If the two exclusive DP's turn out to be the largest alliances, Then I rescind my prior statements because they are then forcing the rest of the server to block up in whatever alliance chain or bend to their will.

PSS- I don't care about the politics of last set, I don't care about the politics of this set, or how badly beaten someone willing to work towards change is going to be, That's the place I'm interested in playing/helping.

I support this method of ranking.

945.

3min run. Could have walled easy if id been called.

Kill him!

It has begun, I've got 11 other articles to go with the above article as proof.

Thanks go to Kumander for fixing my post.

And Let me know when you kill them netters I mean really stroker is outhitting y'all?

xoxox

Ivan, Murf, Helmet you're panks... Killing me :(. (and don't try to tell me you didn't know it was me :-p)

Mind you I blame Sol for not even sending me a text.

<3 See you in a few sets.

Derbs? Oh wait wrong game.

Its a game, letskillstuff.

Nope, not imag.

I gots no FA Ivan.

Why Undercut? I realize you want to be greedy and get your oil to sell over everyone else but considering the fact you've got a war running breaks at 3-5m+ raw on 4-8+ countries per day you're talking a demand that easily to supports a higher price.

You're cheating yourself out of hundreds of millions in profit by undercutting!

Because the player of the country is oblivious and we had to beat him upside the head on IRC when he started complaining about dieing while in vacation.

Confirmed. And approved.

Speaking as a player who has seen sofs site, imagssite and sols site.

Sofs is the worst. Still good yes but meh... Mind you, I prefer the forum activity on sofs site above the other two. But tools wise def not.

Believe what? That you think ABing is a valid tactic?
Irrelevant to the threads purpose. The entire point is, you've won do something with it, instead of just continuing to harbor grudge matches into the next decade.

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I don't care about sol winning or losing, I may not have made that clear. I revealed that I'm a soler in the spirit of full disclosure. Not because I think Sol is right or Righteous here. I'm playing in SoL because it is where SiiC^K3nt played, and it is for SiiC^K3nt that I'm even playing this restart. The point being made is that, If you want change then take a risk and try to make it. If you don't want change then stop trying to hide behind propaganda and admit it, I told SoL the same thing the other night, and I got a less than desirable answer. In that they claim to have tried and got fluff on for it. Meaning everyone is claiming to have tried.

Fewer pacts, Fair wars (even if not arranged, SoL FSing LaF this set would have been much more fair and fun), Something. I don't know what that something is for sure, but I do know its not whats happening now.

Your time is only wasted if you read and respond.

as for me personally?

I don't care, I'd just prefer you guys man up and kill my country so I can do something else with my time.

hanlong - Its obvious you have developed a grudge, Be the Bigger person and offer it to them instead of waiting for the ones with a grudge to come to you. Your stated goal was accomplished already was it not?

A little honey goes a long ways.

SoL won't ask, and inturn will continue with the plotting and scheming. If you change nothing nothing changes. If you actually want a change make a change. Worst case they say no, you come out ahead either way. If you're saying Sol asking right now would get a CF, what have you got to lose?

You should go back and get your stories straight before verifying your last comment by the way.

The Jist I got is that you just want to net, and that SoL was going to FS you so you FS'ed sol.

Its a fact that prolonging this war will hurt server advancement by creating grudges. You (LaF) have claimed or attempted to claim to want to improve the server, contrary to the other side saying that you and sof want to bully it into submission.

By confirming that it is your intent to FS guilds to get their land to aide your netting and thus "bullying" the server, are you sure that's the position you're meaning to take? As opposed to the one of the higher road, the one of improvement for the game as a whole?

In otherwords Your goal is to make SoL your land farm for the rest of the set. Thank you for manning up and admitting it.

My details are wrong?

Also what argument, I posed a question not an argument, I in not so few words asked LaF what they were planning on doing to prove they aren't trying to ruin the server for their own gain.

If you want to argue with the main point of the post, your argument would have to be that SoL still has a chance. Which is LaFable

Not really, because you still haven't actually responded to the op. Instead you nitpicked details that I made clear in the first paragraph wouldn't be entirely correct.

And more like 20 hits in the same time. But yeah, Ask SoF about my stupid rushes though, I'm sure Ivan or someone can tell you about how fast I hit when I want to.

One last nitpick however: As per the spy op I did when I was AB'ed the player ABing me had a grand total of 7 stored turns (and wasn't anywhere near 120 based on what they hit and had left) So to satisfy your #1, hardly overflowing with turns.

btw, you're still just nitpicking details as opposed to the entire point of the op.

The point being;

-Either man up and admit to wanting to farm sol into the ground for the reset after a tag kill.
-Hurry up and get the tag kill over and done with, and cf having accomplished your goal.
-Take a risk, and attempt to better the server politics instead of doing what everyone expects you to.

1) That Tank/Turret count isn't the same country I'm sure considering the 1.4m turrets was mine yesterday. and I've got 150k tanks

2) I can hit fast enough on a mobile device, why can't you? Its still a choice.

3) Considering I spied the country that AB'ed me to know how many tanks to buy to stop him. the fact that he bought up almost 300k is silly. If he bought jets instead he's have bought roughly what 800k? bringing him to 1m, able to farm a large % of SoL and break even more with a BR. Shouldn't be hitting active players with offline runs anyway. I'm not wrong here.

4) It takes more than 50k tanks to effectively break 50k tanks too, do you have a point? 2m turrets is still a high ballpark that doesn't exist in the current scenario anyway. And if it does its as rare of a case as the 50k tanks.

Inference made, I'll concede this point. Not what I was suggesting But a reasonable inference can be made from the words used. Point conceded.

@Trife: It could be better. Size and Numbers matter.

I said nothing about farming restarts now did I, I was pointing at the farming of original countries.

However, since you continue to argue that You're doing the right thing and you're not "ruining" the server but that you're justified in the course at hand I'll bite.

"We have a lot of people who play 10 minutes a day, they can't always make warchats." - Why are they warring? We're netters excuse? My non-specific time warchat method actually helps this player as opposed to hindering them, already covered this. also makes you harder to wall as you're less predictable.

"You're also treating the AB/BR situation as if it's equal. It's not, when a country has 1.5m turrets and 50k tanks it makes the choice easy. You're also assuming that offliner (less active, probably a smaller country) has the jets. " - Would be good if your numbers were right, Considering the highest and lowest turret and tank counts don't correlate like that. And as an example the most recent AB'er I saw could have easily bought enough jets to BR anything he wanted. Less active countries will either be dead or have more stock, you are netters right? Or do you just FA a few countries and everyone else sucks?

"Once again, you're treating those ABs like there was a choice to either hit during a kill run or AB a random target. You also just complained about farming, now you're advocating it? You're all over the place. " - It is exactly a choice. This game is stupidly simple to play, works really well on mobile devices too! I find it impossible to believe that you can't arrange your schedule to hit at least once every 2 days either on a cell phone or otherwise at an arranged time. The choice being made is to be lazy, and its being accommodated by leadership instead of opposed. As to farming, I'll accept it as better than ABing, see above.

"Send me a list of non-wallers and ask them to drop turrets, since we can't all afford to buy jets to break 2m raw turrets. " - Actually you can, to count 2mil jets at current price would be about 400m Cash, at least half you LaF has that on hand. The being unable to afford it is simply to avoid damaging your netting country with unnecessary expenses in a war.

I have a very effective mind in how to run a war. Instead of saying chats are at this time and this time. People can't make that time. Now if you're hyperactive as a guild like you claim to be from DR camping and what not to net well, why not inspire people to idle on IRC and run chats very time you get 600-700 turns? That said, since you've got the size, why AB? Just BR. You accomplish the same thing, Plus you get them closer to death.

ABing is a specialized strategy useful when its useful, Wasteful when its not. And when you've got the kind of advantage LaF has right now, its not. Those players would be better off farming restarts or building with their turns (the bare minimum turns until they can make a chat) than ABing.

Besides, you can have offline BR targets of non-wallers just as well as willy nilly ab's.

"SoF vs Evo/Sanct/Monsters (aranged)"

That was fun.

Re Goku: Amusing, You completely grazed over the point and justified it in that its nothing new. The point is its a waste of turns, rein it in and perform like you should in a war. When you're winning and able to break everything on gods green earth theres no reason to AB. As for Grabbing, Yes. Wonderful but when you're hitting original countries into DR you're doing something wrong.

As for better countries, No need to judge on that, I know where I stand, When you figure it out let me know.

Re Flamey: I don't necessarily disagree with you, however the point is to better the server. If you don't trust sol's leadership then make that part of the cf terms. If you don't trust that it will happen that's another story all together. The end all be all here is make it SoL's mistake by being reasonable and making a move for bettering. Or just come out and admit that you just want a repeat performance of last set and picked sol to be your land farm. SoF did it right, they beat PDM into the ground then CF'ed instead of milking the situation for land and "netting".

I just ignore alin, he has absolutely no clue about anything from what I can tell.

Going to prove you aren't out to ruin the server?

Firstly, before I begin let me preface this by making it clear where I stand. I am a sol member, nothing more. What Sol's leadership does in response to anything in this post or otherwise is beyond the purview of what I can control. Yes, my country is still alive (come kill it please, I enjoy walling maybe I can beat my old records). I'm just back this restart after about a year and have very little knowledge of the server politics (and don't care to read all of AT either). What I do know however is the nature of this game, and that the current politics are making the game predictable and boring, in the words of some, ruining the game.

Hanlong you +1'd my post on aponics thread, essentially attempting to say you want to improve the server instead of ruining it, so here's my take and my advice as such. Maybe people here will listen and things will change (although I doubt it).

That said, lets look at some numbers;

-SoL countries over 1m: 15/49 ~25% (I ignored the cowards in Vac mode, not like they matter)
-LaF countries UNDER 1m: 5/91 ~6%

Now if you're going for a tag kill great, hurry it up and do it already. Its more apparent that you want to make SoL your land farm for the rest of the set (which is simply a way to ruin the game).

Why do I say this? Looking at the news for the 16 original SoL countries left.
PS/SS (Farming Runs) 7
AB (Wasted Turn Runs) 3
Missile Dumps (For the sake of Missiles) 1 EM
Kill Attempts 3 + 10 (kills In the last 24hrs)

Should I add in the hits on restarts now? You're spending close to the same amount of time farming/crippling (when not needed) as you are killing, if you're goal is honestly a tag kill, teach your war dept how to do it right and use your size to plow through the remaining living solers, you've got the numbers for the turns and the size to waste the resources breaking it down.

Now if your goal is really what you said it was to prevent sol from ruining your netting set, you've done that already. Approach SoL and offer a CF, farm them for a day to get your free land as a reward to hopefully make up for your time lost to net.

Why do it now before a tag kill? Because as opposed to wrecking-balling them as you easily can with sheer size, you make a move for the better as opposed to the past. Sol's few originals allow them to still have tag protection and preform retals, and to even have a war with someone else later in the set if they actually want to. You've said you hit them to prevent them from ruining your netting, which is funny because in turn you ruin your own netting. But at this point, they can't ruin your netting anymore.

SoL's past the point of being able to bring in help if they've got any to actually bring in *shrug*

As I said in the other thread, to better the server...
Because of LaF's size they shouldn't be FSing anyone (except maybe sof I'd need to look at the numbers more closely) and should be taking a risk of getting fs'ed as opposed to pre-empting everything.
Guilds should be looking for fewer pacts as opposed to more pacts and larger coalitions (which form to defend against larger enemies)
One large enemy pacted to another in the classic earth Dp style leads to large groups forming against them (SoF and LaF are dp's?) Its the very history of the politics that make this game so rigid, you've got to shake things up, A LOT and everyone has to be willing to play ball.

Unfortunately If you really want to improve the game the person or people who step up to change it are going to have to take risks, and are likely to get kicked in the gut a few times until they can get the point across.

Alin, jiman.... Die less, tech more.

Scode, does the off ally come with jets so I can use it?

No, im right and youre wrong, period end of story.

No leechers, even smexy sheep lovers.

Still teching need res allies. No leechers need apply.

Yeah my allies have all stopped teching left me high and dry. Send me a message if youve got an opening to fill.

Yes I am SoL Currently, however...

Lets make a few points;

1) LaF has 50% more countries.
2) Even Wars are More Enjoyable then uneven ones.
3) Even if Sol FS'ed LaF Laf would still have just as good of a chance.
4) LaF Claims to want to net, Yet by FSing sol in fear they guarentee they aren't netting.
5) SoL ALWAYS Saves turns, It means nothing until they actually make a FS. The silly OMG You were going to FS us so we FS'ed you is sooo old, particularly when used as a defense coupled with we just want to net.

Back on topic however, this games politics are old, there is no real dynamic change its always one side loses, cries to whoever will listen and then tries to get revenge. And keeps trying until they get enough revenge. Which then leads to the otherside feeling slighted and trying to get revenge... grudges.

Everyone here has essentially played with everyone else for at least a decade, and no one seems to be able to let things go. And in the end politics don't matter because they are what you want them to be. It doesn't matter what kind of a pact you have, we can still hit each other.

In the end, Netting is boring and war is frustrating. People who generally want to net want to net because they don't have the time to war (or the patience or whatever) and those who want to war do it because its the only enjoyable thing to do in this game for them.

If you want real change you've got to come up with it, and set out to make it happen. But around here when someone doesn't agree with your change instead of asking their opinion or trying to work with them for a change you simply attempt to force them to change by attempting to force them to disband and shrink. Which is not the answer, particularly when you consider that the guilds that are here basically aren't going anywhere. they will shrink and grow but the guilds won't disband. All the lets brutalize them into submission does in hurt the game, as players quit playing.

For whatever reason LaF did or didn't do, in the end because of their size, they are hurting the game by fsing. Uneven wars do that. Now I won't go so far as to say they are ruining the game yet, because that's yet to be seen based on what they do once they've won. If they continue to farm SoL all restart then yes, they are ruining the game by chasing players from it for the sake of their own netting. If they actually make a move to say something along the lines of "hey we won, lets fix this situation now... here's what we want" then I'll give them their credit as long as their demands are "reasonable".

Now I don't know the server politics fully as I'm a mostly inactive S.O.B. but it seems to me the server is still split into two sides, that needs to change. Here's an innovation for you try having fewer allies, instead of more.

I lulzed.

So I read this entire thread, and the only thing I have to say is...

Mapleson still plays this game too?

Too many Youtube links, this thread fails.

I do. Can I buy 6000$ tanks?

You would be wrong. Nice try though.