Good looking article... I started reading before I realized this was too long to read during a reasonable work break. To Be Continued...

Lies of the highest degree!

How far into the round is it and when was the last time and magnitude of acre gain? I assume we're talking about right now? =P

Depends how much military there was on your private market when you logged off =P

There truly is no max. Join Paradigm for further enlightenment. (get it? that was a ZEN pun!)

In that case

http://www.boxcarhosting.com/...ation.php?clanID=Paradigm

A tangential semantic argument - the last gasp of failed nonsense.

Servant already addressed you though.

Also, no matter how you try to spin it, you are the one crying and screaming. Just try and think about things. You can have your pride and never admit to us that you are wrong, but just really think about how you think and if you are truly trying to apply reason or if you are just clinging onto baseless dogma.

They were murdered by a bunch of Christians who wanted their land. Their downfall had nothing to do with their apparent ambivalence towards homosexuality.

Either by ruthlessly grabbing the land from small people who can not retal or by grabbing countries with lots of acres, but near you in networth, so that way even after they take their land back from you in retaliation you still have some left over from ghost acres.

Every word of this.

I know I will never change your opinion. Your opinion is counter to the Bible and you refuse to try to understand the Bible.

Also, why does it have to be right or wrong? The Bible doesn't say it is alright to post on the internet. Does that mean it must be wrong?

I said the fact that homophobia is correlated with homosexuality is what makes you uneasy. Reading comprehension hmm k? Since you are against gays getting tax breaks for being married as it will take away from you, I assume you are against equal pay rights for women? I assume you are also pro-slavery as that was very lucrative for white people? Where do the rights of human beings become more important than your personal weatlh? The problem is you worship money as much as God.

Have you ever eaten crab, shrimp or eaten a steak cooked rare? If so you might as well be gay based on your reasoning for not being homosexual. I find it interesting how you recite one line from the Bible with no context and you choose to ignore my links on Biblical interpretation. Clearly you have no desire to understand the Bible and God's Word. You just want to hide behind it as justification for your bigotry.

No, you are stupid. I resisted calling you out on that before, but I want to be clear now that you are a complete idiot. If gay people can not get the same tax breaks as straight people, they have a higher tax burden. It is very clear, even if you can't understand it.


1) It does not say which God in any of the things you mentioned. You are just assuming it is the Abrahamic God because that fits your world view. There is no prescription for your (which as it turns out is also my) God.
2) Our nation was not founded saying "In God we trust" - that was added later
http://www.treasury.gov/...ages/in-god-we-trust.aspx
3) Again, pledge of allegiance was not written that way... one nation under God was added in 1954...
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Public_Law_83-396
4) As you mentioned, there is no national religion thus it is inappropriate to legislate religious matters. Even if "Christianity" were the national religion, the Bible does not teach that homosexuality is wrong. I notice you were incapable of responding to that point.



Our planet is over-populated. We are in no danger of ending humanity due to gayness. This is completely irrelevant. There have been gay people for all of time and we have never had to worry about extinction. Furthermore your argument actually makes no sense - lots of "natural" creatures have gone extinct and yet you seem to be saying that gayness is unnatural because it would lead to extinction. Plus, gay people are still capable of procreating.



Ah yes, your original point - gay people should have to have a higher tax burden than straight people. How dare we end the gay-subsidy to straight people! Damn them infringing on us and getting equal rights!!!



Ah yes, all of your VALUES which apparently stand for inequality. You take away the civil liberties of gay people that all legally joined couples have. YOU take away from them. You still have not said what they take away from you. (Although you seem to be awfully concerned about the taxes they pay... I am not surprised that your religious beliefs are underlain by the dollar... you are an idiot after all). I am not sure why you are grateful that there are (according to you) so many Americans who value inequality. It is just strange how hateful you are.

It is not a "fall back" to point out that homophobia is correlated with homosexuality. It is just a fact that makes you uneasy. It makes you question yourself (well, sure, it makes you just shout more loudly how red-blooded you are, but that doesn't change the reality).

I did get your message. You are an idiot who is easily refutable because your world view is based on faulty reasoning. You oppose homosexuality because someone told you to when you were a kid and you are incapable of applying reason to see that there is no religious or social backing for that.

Tax breaks for families is stupid. They should not exist. Tax breaks do not exist to encourage people to get married. People make families without tax breaks. To say that gay people should have to carry a greater tax burden than single straight people is unfair.



What Christian ideals are in our government? Laws against murder, rape, theft, etc? Those are universal ideals. The fact that there is freedom of religion is a pretty clear testament against this being founded as a Christian nation. Despite what Texas would have you believe, Thomas Jefferson was not even a Christian.

And yes, the Bible is pretty clear on what a marriage is http://www.gaychristianalliance.com/.../02/biblical-marriage.jpg Only between one man and one woman except for when it isn't.



How does it go against nature? There are people that are inherently gay. Some animals are observed to undertake "gay" activities. Natural is such an arbitrary term anyways, but that is a discussion for a different day. And how does it go against God? I know you have heard that from a bunch of ignorant people for all your life, and being the ignorant person you are just accepted that as fact. When you actually look at the Bible though you see that is not really clear.

http://squashed.tumblr.com/...ble-condemn-homosexuality
http://squashed.tumblr.com/...ity-and-the-new-testament

(I have looked at other sources to verify this person is speaking accurately and they are)

If you notice, Jesus never even spoke about homosexuality, or anything construable as homosexuality - it clearly was not a topic of interest.



How does two people having equal rights infringe upon others? That makes no sense. These people can see each other in the hospital if one is critically ill. That is terrible. Just like you.



It is possible we have a bigoted, ignorant nation just like you. Regardless of how you feel, gay people are not trying to make anyone else gay or force anything upon anyone else, despite how you feel.

(which as it turns out, you just might be gay
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014)
"Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."

Over $1k on flowers... *tears out hair*



And my contribution to the topic -

http://squashed.tumblr.com/...ity-and-the-new-testament

Everyone, other than gigantic corporations who have teams of accountants and lawyers to evade taxes, wants a simpler tax code.

Unless boxcar is missing a lot of news, I can't imagine what you want to talk about.

PDM may not have the biggest epeen, but we have the biggest eballs

I wouldn't even respond to your unprompted ramblings except to clarify that I have done nothing to suggest confusion of trials and a commitment to not torture.

She wasn't even his mother!

The US signed the Convention Against Torture. That is an international treaty so any torture allegations are an international concern - even if we have not agreed to give others jurisdiction in such matters. You are trying to say that this is only a matter between the US and the accusers of torture - but that is not the case. We made a commitment to the world at large (UN) to not torture.

Why shouldn't they accept aid or be involved with the US? For one, before and during? They had no grounds for boycotting the US or anything of that nature until AFTER. Secondly, just because there are a few people in the US government who were (potentially) committing illegal acts, that does not mean they need to sever ties with the US for the good things it does. Working together against terrorism is clearly a good thing to do. How does their desire to uphold justice negate that?

War crimes are an international matter - particularly all members of the UN. This is not a US vs whoever thing.

George Bush has been accused of committing war crimes. Particularly the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. If I ordered someone to torture you, I think you would want me to stand trial for it. If you *think* I ordered someone to torture you, you'd want me to stand trial for it to have your view verified or refuted. In fact, I bet you'd even want George Bush to go to trial if *you* were the target of torture he ordered. Now, maybe he did and maybe he didn't violate those conventions - that is the purpose of a trial to figure out - but by all means when world leaders are potentially committing war crimes, I want the truth to be discovered.

As show, my mind is straight. That is why I am liberal. Your mind is clearly the confused one.

You guys can have the retired vets! PDM wants active vets! (although we'll gladly take retired vets if they become unretired... which is maybe what Servant was getting at originally...)

Oh ok, so until Malaysia rescues us from a conqueror they should support the illegal activities of former presidents? I am really not sure what point you're trying to make other than that you think we paid back the French so you don't need to give out sexual favors to the men...

And without France we never win the American Revolution, so next time you see a Frenchman, ask him if you can suck his fluff k?

How does a president who (without ever having stood trial in America since he is above the law apparently) seemingly committed war crimes equal them being ungrateful for past assistance from our country? George Bush is not America.

Being president of anywhere does not exempt you from war crimes and I am impressed by Malaysia. If people were held accountable maybe less bad things would happen... just a thought...

I need to finish GoT asap so I can read this thread! No illegal posting until then!

Correct



Incorrect

No, I have to login to my country to view it.

What NukEvil said. Clan admins can see the history of all FA their clan sends and receives.

Yeah, so I have looked through the logs and no PDM-tagged country has FAed any untagged or SoL-tagged country.

I guess PDM needs to start FAing SoL, so we can stop FAing SoL, so LaF will stop getting FA?

Looks like SoF needs to start doing independent fact checks and stop lapping up everything LaF says.

As an aside regarding FA, the only interesting thing I saw in the FA history was that at the beginning of May two PDM countries FAed each other in the same day...

Interesting allegations. Would you like to tell me which country numbers are sending FA? There is absolutely zero organization on the part of PDM to send out FA. You would know that except your hackers got exposed.

*shakes fist angrily/sexily at Trife*

Yes, you can fail an op on someone with 0 spies. Fortunately, your losses will be proportional to the number of spies they have - 0.

It was down and is back.

I reject the notion of 'proper' language. Language is defined by the ability to communicate. If people can understand plow then I am down with it. (It being the speaking... not it being an FA)

Has that happened to you this round Balin?

Last round you did make the tag and this round I did, so maybe it is related to that.

lol yes, I confided to henrik that I did abs at the gym ;)

(ok, they weren't really in the locker room, I just said that to sound impressive)

qz, I see it sometimes too. I saw it today in both for example. That is less common than not seeing it, for me. I would create screen shots or something, but I really don't know what that would accomplish... =P

I am tag admin for both tags I play in, in case that is related.

I only play team and alliance but this I pretty much never see any recent news when I login anymore.

Please don't do that =P Talk to them first =P

What TC and hanlong did is clearly against the rules. The rules state nothing about "landtrading". The admins have indeed said it is legal and that any alterations will come in the form of game mechanics.

How do you define political? If you mean to strengthen PDM's position - that is not my purpose. If you mean to get others to alter their behavior to socially engineer this game such that people are reluctant to cheat in the future - then absolutely.

And I know you don't care. That is the problem.

No - you don't have to have known about the cheating. If the net effect of cheating is positive then there is incentive for people to cheat. The positive effects of the cheating need to be removed. If all in-game records of LaF since TC/hanlong obtained their DB access were erased I would drop this instantly. I am not saying that is the best way to proceed, but it is one route that would "resolve" the issue in my eyes. Sure - their personal records were deleted which is very straight foward, and realistically all that is fair for the admins to do, but that doesn't come close to resolving the legacy of their cheating.

I am not saying it will - but if a significant portion of the player base is supporting cheaters, I can't imagine the future is bright. It is up to the players to take some ownership for the game and their actions, and to be unified against cheating, rather than just being content with a slap on the wrist.

There are two issues:
1) you let a known cheater back
2) you benefited from the cheating

If an alliance benefits from cheating, there is no reason not to cheat in the future. All the cheating is justified if it strengthens what it is intended to strengthen.