We should put out a deathsentence for every single German that lived during the 1930s then

That's funny, because those people who are apparently working so hard are griefers themselves. Consider the multiple plots to gangbang Laf even before the TurtleCrawlerGate. Consider the multiple suiciders from their side on Laf or RD(KJ anyone?). Consider the constant insults that your Evo friends serve out.
Consider that RD was bullied last set by MD and was told to declare war or fluff off. So shocking and so griefery by RD to declare war. OH NO.

Stop whining. We do not want your hardon for us to last so long that it becomes a medical issue.

Funny how as a forum moderator you allowed it to go on for so long though. Evo/Sol people have been accusing various Laf players(Like myself) of being cheats for ages now. Why choose to enforce your own rules so suddenly?

I never said gangbangs are against the rules Detmer. I said it is not helpful for the community. Perhaps you would be happy when there was no more Laf. When will your hardon end? I guess your idea of punishing the ones who didn't cheat is different than mine.

Many baseball teams have won championships and had a player who was taking illegal steroids on their team. Should those players go to jail, be banned from baseball, or suspended for a year to sate this desire of yours to punish people?

Whinny lil cry babies, you got DOWed, big fkn deal!, stfu and fight!

That is all :p

You have become quite the Evo apologist over there Detmer. Your advocacy of giant gang bangs seems unbecoming to someone who is I guess considered "staff" of EE.

then 5 minutes later:
SS, SG and H4 pleading ignorance and playing down the fact that your whole clan benefitted from hacking, cheating & lying.

lol arsenal go read detmer's post apparently the evo admins did it inadvertently

There was an apology thread for one thing.

If its not true, then why would anoniem and kj say they had ip logs of it... The fact that it cant be proven i accept, but the suggestion that it hasnt taken place is preposterous.

rofl, uh huh. It had nothing to do with the ip logs slagpit gave you right? nothing at all... give me a break

Says the guy who thinks the whole server should exact retribution on LAF.

Great! Feel free to keep grinding that axe. We're more than happy to keep slaughtering your countries.

So your saying that slagpit abused his access, but didnt share it with his alliance or for his own personal gain and yet was convicted of violating the rules and got removed?

FYI, a person that for now can be known as "tag bit", regularly used database access to acquire information and give it to his alliance.

Detmer the fact is we DID try to garnish the support of other netters, you claim you would have supported but where was the interest at the time?

errr... so your claim is that we should have moved on to SoF even though SOL was still after us for revenge? That argument makes no sense, then we would have SOl and SoF after us and no backup, what good are we doing then? Try to take a moment and think about it and maybe you'll realize why that would be a terribly stupid plan.

Did a good deed once or twice. Once again you prove to not know of what you speak. Perhaps you should ask Pang about how frequently we do such thing that the rest of you don't bother to notice.

How is our actions against SOL a double standard?

a) back when all this started SOL was the much worse offender
b) back when this all started SOL was much larger than sof
c) SoF has always been much more open to communication than SOL is (at least hey always have been with LaF)
d) at the time most perceived SOL to be the "ringleader" of these actions, of sorts.
e) when all of this came to head SOL was planning to kill the entire server in a single reset. SoF was not part of this plan.
f) everything that is happening now is just carry over from the initial SOL gangbang which SOL was targeted for due to a - e listed above.

But I guess it is LaF's duty to prevent the biggest and the smallest of offenders all at the same time, all on our own eh?

Priorities have to be made, lines have to be drawn. Our priority is dealing with the biggest problem first and foremost, that was (and still is, given that they have refused to claim they'll stop) SOL.

LaF was talking with the likes of Sanct, Omega, Evo etc. about a "netting coalition to defend against war alliances attacking us for no reason" for over a year before things actually came to head with SOL. It is hard to argue it is a double standard used to our advantage is light of those facts.

None of the other netters would provide support in actions though, only words. SoF however has been there. As such I would argue they've done far more to help netters than they have to hurt them over the last year, even if they have picked on PDM in recent resets.

You know absolutely nothing about what LaF cares about. We care about winning first and foremost yes. But we have had tags come to us before in dire straights about being farmed, and we have granted pacts before for no reason other than to ensure the alliance didn't fold as a result of us not pacting them.

You know not of what you speak.

in his defense, he dropped the topic instead of arguing a bullfluff point, you seem to be prone to do.

Detmer: perhaps you should ask Evo how organized it was.

You're going to need to refresh my memory of what shady stuff I said was going on.

oh and also:

Although I argued strongly to keep RD out of this fight (I wanted to win it as it was, would have sent a stronger signal) the fact that people are complaining about the inequity of their entrance is laughable.

The war became inequitable the moment you decided to AB our techers with untagged countries to soften us up before the war started. There is nothing fair or equitable about that what so ever. You obviously didn't care about fairness, only about winning.

You did manage to soften our countries, but you hardened our hearts. Learn to deal with the consequences.

You are completely ignorant of how LaF's leadership determination works.

I do not agree with the initial post in this thread at all heh, it is a lot of spinning and not much else.

However,



Since when did you have proof that Hanlong was cheating from day 1? Based on what I've heard and seen they don't have proof of anything beyond his last couple round playing.

Second: So your side as committed to bashing LaF for 3 resets eh? That is news to us, as we have been spoon fed for the last week a bunch of dribble about MD and SOL wanting long term peace after this reset. But given that SOL has slapped away our past offers of peace (choosing to plot revenge rather than burying the hatchet by committing to stop hitting netting clans reset after reset for no real reason) this revelation doesn't surprise me any.

Third, since when was LaF a detriment to the entire server?
SOL and Evo are the only alliances who can claim to have a legitimate gripe with LaF. MD has nothing to complain about as their issues with LaF were created entirely by them, LaF merely responded to them. Also LaF's situation with SOL was a response from LaF to SOL's behaviour, so although I claim they have a "legitimate gripe", in the end they too have only themselves and their previous actions to blame.

So in closing, you are all just a bunch of spinners.

I specifically asked the admins if there was proof of anything beyond last reset. The answer I received was "no", this is pure conjecture on your part.

We paid our dues for the ONE reset it happened, saying we need to be punished for every round hanlong was a leader is a complete joke.

You're going to need to refresh my memory of what shady stuff I said was going on.

for all you whiners:

if your mom cheats on your dad , will you stop loving your mom?

SoF is proving to be the most loyal alliance on the server , sticking by its allies in bad times.

Det you know as well as me and it's been done no better yet proven over and over in earth history if you want to get rid of an alliance you war them to the ground,set after set, demoralize their member structure and watch their numbers drop. eg arrow,ix,ucn just to name a few. Now laf has exited the cheaters and game mod's have checked out laf legitimacy your in no position to paint the new laf format with the same brush as you do the old laf format. As far as my comment on pdm goes it's a game if pdm wanted to comment on sof then so be it freedom of speech is encouraged not silenced in this day in age.

what about the rest of the alliance? you can't hold an individuals actions accountable for the rest of them, now that the problem has been dealt with accordingly and han and tc have been exited laf have bounced back and still run kick ass countries and will take the best of the best to the battlefield as you can see in this war.

With the sol/evo/md/pdm coalition taking "another" cowardly attempt at gang banging LaF out of the game has been soiled by SoF throwing it's heavy artillery fire power in support of close friend LaF, in justification LaF has reclaimed order as a dominant force in alliance server.The LaF/SoF/RD coalition showing political and warfare brilliance to claw back from unfavored odds being dragged to the battlefield so early into the set by sol/evo fsing, LaF and SoF taking sol/evo/md/pdm to school on warfare and political chess.

-pdm once again stupidly involving themselves with something out of their league has started to feel the walls being blown to bits around them with WCL of the SoF/LaF coalition ripping apart any pdm country in it's war path, you idiots need to learn to war ab's are a waste of time you could be killing, you probley let your side down the most, the weakest link belt still remains firmly around your waste.

pure, unadulterated ignorance

It's not impossible. 4-5 dozen SSes before every KR and the job is done. Those SSes are just a complete fluff to do unless you've got a monster economy.

Wars don't have to be about killing... At one point in time killing was impossible... Then became very difficult, then became easy... And since then it's been just as easy just people are even more efficient.


I'd say wars were a lot more fun when individual countries could make a difference.

It would add a lot more strategy to fighting than just running through killing :)

Mine isn't deformed. It's big maybe, but... The tail end of 6' 330lbs of hawt Man Meat.

Smell the Bacon....

detmer: Where I went to hs calculus wasn't required and not everyone did it..

As far as that goes why not just use matlab to do it analytically:P

ok...why did you need the answer? RL?... or you are back in a torture chamber aka school room?

you know you can use excel... lol :P

You did that in highschool?

You see, this is why I quit playing Alliance for good a few resets ago. If someone does something that's not supportive of the general community, there's no punishment for it.

Break a uNAP? Doesn't matter if they're the largest alliance with the largest allies backing them up. Break it again? Par for the course now.

FS someone out of the blue? Doesn't matter. Do it twice? Again, doesn't matter.

Have leaders get caught cheating? I'll have to hand it to most of the community; I've never seen so many people so gullible about something so stupid: "Don't blame the alliance for having cheating leadership, even though it's directly by that cheating that said alliance achieved its infallible political position!!!!!" and people couldn't wait to bend over and take it. At least they paid for it, sort of.

Jump into a perfectly-even, fun war, thus making the war uneven, and no longer fun? "You shouldn't have made them ANGRY!! RRARRRARRRRRGGHH!!"

See, it doesn't matter if certain alliances get "exposed", because the rest of the community doesn't care. And unless the other side has an extra alliance available, they'll get away with it, once again. Because you can't have fun with people who refuse to have fun.

Moral of the story - "Stop eating junk food and you will live longer!"