I'm definitely not up for it, however I do see the up side to it.

I'm pointing out that the Laf players have not done much grabbing yet as a collective.

When Sol had its wars with Laf they even grabbed us before the FS during he killing and then for the remainder of the set.

Btw 50 Ss and Ps attacks is only just over half of 1 grab for each member in Laf.. Minimal really.

Thomas from what I can see Sanct was benefiting from every hit made (that Laf country was obviously landtrading hits with you guys). He was always running low def too. Look at the hits being exchanged still between Evo Laf and PDM. There are lots of this exact scenario going on, yet everyone is happy. You have just been pig headed in this case and tried to push a policy that was never going to float. You need to be big to push ur policies on others (especially when they are lame,sorry bro). Also if you want to keep Sanct land in sanct and not have unpacted alliances mid feed u with techers u really need to run a couple of retal countries, this is a war game and no one has any right to their land just because they say so.

One last thing sanct had 10 countries all capable of retalling #13 noone is going to give u an extra day to make another retal so just one guy can take it if it was owed.

I play for the naked pics of Tisya!

Yes we in LaF love to destroy Buttholes.... We even have members that don't mind which gender/species either :P

Thomas nothing against u bro, but ur trying to force LaF to let you hit them for free. They aren't farming ur alliance nor are they purposely grabbing like douches (like LaF and Evo do to each other). They have grabbed your members creating land for the game and leaving themselves easily retalled. You see countries exchanging hits within hours of each other from alliance to alliance and noone is throwing their hands up in the air screaming unfair or yelling retal on retal, because its obvious the style of play the members of each alliance are trying to engage in. Your members countries are set up to do the exact same thing.

If Laf was trying to cause u problems u would have been farmed into the ground and broken by now. When something seriously bad happens then do something about it. Keep trading the hits with Laf as you have been its good for both alliances.

I am a Laf member as u know, and I fully respected and enjoyed the way Evo managed to deal with the Laf attempt to mid feed them with techers in regards to the 48 hour retal windows and such.

Look at the news and see how they did it, it cause people in Laf to cry out, but hey Laf tried to get a sneaky one over them and they managed to come up with a way!

It just goes to show how well a fully war prepped alliance can rip apart an alliance that is set up netting.

I remember a few years back when SoL did it to us in LaF when we had about a 70 member to 45 member advantage.

The alliance that is war prepped vs a netting alliance is always going to come out on top.

I like seeing two fully prepped alliances going at it. The MD LaF war a few sets back I thought would be one of those but LaF was ahead right from the outset in that one.

That being said I would love to see a 60 V 60 MD v SoF war with a set start date and time!

Haha, everyone should just join Laf!

Man we have some weird police this set... Evo for sof, sol for Laf

Maybe the world is ending lol

Rockman is referring to him getting hit last set and Evo not having a country like his sitting there to be hit this set.

I look forward to seeing this war guys! Good luck to both sides!

I have to back Kalick there... Mind u I do find what they did manage to achieve to be impressive at times but definitely not within the rules of the game.

Haha marshal!

Ok cool, who are we still waiting on here???

Tella Ithe scenario I have in mind the aggressor initiating it is doing so with low defense to allow an easy retal from his target where they will have both come out ahead. The maths would have been done by the aggressor to ensure he was not top feeding (land fat country) and that the retal that would ensue would easily account for the required land.

Angel would omega purposely allow its members to take retals in such a way that a 2nd is created when it was not needed??? Ie the manipulation of nw's or the passing off of the retal to someone else to create the scenario where only omega can come out on top and it not be mutually beneficial?

I'm sorry we are unclean scode :p

I think there were only 3 traders in it last set??? Or was it 4?

That's my general opinion of it too ano and as yet I have not exploited it. This set however I do plan too. Last set I traded hits with guys in Evo for about a week which saw me recover from a suicider. I think the game mechanics reward trading a little too much. To me it seemed when I traded hits with Evo last set that the way PDM do things are the same.


Omega, monsters, LCN and anyone else want to spread some light on this?

Ano, what is Evo's stance on this?

To me a land trade is any hit whereas a retal is taken and both countries involved come out with more land than before the hits were exchanged.

Btw with PDM's stance on how these hits are retalled you can be sure that members of Laf will be looking to exchange these kind of grabs with PDM. It is also this kind of policy that I am trying to promote inside of LaF.

Are there any other alliances out there that would like to say something on this?

That's a ok elv. I have not been heavily involved I this kind of thing for a long time. I'm chasing views and standpoints from everyone.

Haha nice guys!

Elv, it's been a while since I played and competed for the top spots, in e2025 there was a formular readily available and u knew how much land a grab would yield down to the acre, I have asked of this formular in EE and no one (in Laf) has yet been able to point me to it.

Req, please no finger pointing in here this is not that kind of thread.

I do believe The way PDM are going about this is good... Is there anyone else that works like this or are you alone?

As a Laf member of 8 years though Tan I have not ever seen such a practice employed intentionally by one of our members especially not in EE... We have not had an accurate LG returns calc sine e2025. I had heard of and have seen people in the past use ss's in the past when retalling pacted alliances to create an extra hit in the l:l style pacts, again no accusations or finger pointing.

Please continue...

I think the mods have done a great job of eliminating the back and fourth trading that saw ghost acres cut from e2025 and that the balance isn't far off being right.

Also opinions wanted on countries intentionally altering nws to manufacture a 2nd hit in the case of scenario 1?

In that case i personally applaud Paradigms stance on the issue, i think its healthy for the server and promotes good faith amongst its community!

Which is something that we really do tend to lack alot of the time for such a small group.

Sorry my thoughts are Country B gets the 80% L:L policy afforded to them as long as they don't try to manipulate their nw to intentionally create a 2nd retal when one isn't needed....

and if Country C retals then only 1 hit is allowed.


Remember guys when commenting on this, this is policy in regards to unpacted alliances... or alliances that may already have pacts in place to promote trading.

I'm interested to know how each alliances policies work in regards to Landgrabs/Landtrade retal policy.

Its pretty obvious when someone hits you and is trying to trade and create land. This grabbing can be aggressive yes but in the end most both parties are somewhat working together. Evo and I did it somewhat last set (yes Laf and Evo worked together lol)

What i want to know is where alliances stand on how these unpacted hits are retalled.

How i see it is like this...

Scenario 1

A hits B .... B retals A (if B does not get 80% Land before ghost acres back he gets a 2nd hit) ...Fair enough as it was likely a topfeed and not done with the intention of it being mutually beneficial to both parties.


Scenario 2
A hits B .... C hits A C does not get 80% of the Land back the retal is now complete???

Should the 80% Land:Land policy only stand for the Countries being hit? As they alone are already in range to make the retal completely and benefit from the exchange or are we all in this to try and bend each other over all the time ? I see it like the SS and PS issue when pacted alliances go for 150 and 200% L:L retals to manufacture another retal.

How and where do the alliances currently stand on this issue?

Also would others as individuals like to see this practice done ?

Join Laf :)

Don't forget about the Chipotle!

We don't put each other down either in leadership, many of our members have worked their ways up to being a head at some point or another and still play. As we have felt we aren't up to the task anymore we have found good active replacements. Those that have really shone have made it to the pinnacle and have had the pleasure of leading Laf.

Don't let the cat out of the bag!

Haha yeah I thinks that's it locket!

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Haha!

Lol this has still ended up a measuring contest... Btw I'm pro grabbing and I like the way things are now... Everyone grabbing is doing so to improve their finish... And right now with the game dynamics it works best by not trying to outrun retals.

The top ranks will not likely be taken by land trading type countries this set... I don't believe it's over powered... I think the stop gaps that are in place now with the limited ghost gains make it more enjoyable.

Lol so Sam when are u joining?

Wishes he played cashier or teacher this set

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We would take u in at Laf mate.

http://www.lafamiglia.org

Curious is all ??? And will Laf go close to it this set???

i didn't read to the end... anyone care to pm me to let me know what happened ???

saw the thread title and realised ... hey thats why i'm here :P

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Ivan talk to the man!

This is how I'd like to see all wars done from here out... I think it would be healthy for the game and aid in its growth

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Haha, congrats