To elaborate on my vote for option 2, yes cancel clan gdi, yes get an Ee irc server going.

Plus, get the rights for eestats under ee management, not LaF, since it's an essential tool
Plus, when LaF is driven off 1a, convert Tournament to an Alliance style server with no war, only people vs. Bots.

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I'm sticking around for a while to see what happens and in SoLidarity with the SoLers, but I really think that Clan GDI has wrecked the game. I think its the wrong direction for the game to go. If the netters want a safe space, replace Tournament with a new Alliance style server with Clan GDI, and return 1A to the way it was.

IRC is much better than Discord because we have warbots, and phone alarms can be set to alert us when our countries are attacked by keeping our phones logged into the news channels. Of course now that the war rooms have been made pretty much irrelevant in Alliance by Clan GDI, maybe Discord would be better than irc, though my experience is that netters play the game in isolation with little or no interaction with other players.

Clan GDI is still in place, the anarchy of the game is gone, the game is fundamentally changed and wrecked. LaF and qzjul have ended the game.

You're right BlackHole, I'm not doing anything. I'm really disappointed that the game has been wrecked. It's been my favorite pastime for years, and now the game isn't worth playing. I blame Gerdler.

I'm sick of arguing with Turtlecrawler. I do keep my word. I don't break pacts. I back up my allies, and I was the one who suggested the 12 month pact, and I had every intention of following the spirit of that pact. As a leader of SoL, I would have used all my influence to stop the more hateful members of our coalition from attacking LaF, and I was ready to work towards more cooperation between us all.

You guys want to keep saying how I broke my word, and broke our pact? I'll call Gerdler a cheat. Its probably true anyway, I've always thought that about afaik and Gerdler.

You guys want to set up Clan GDI to protect yourselves because you don't trust our word and our pact and have to go begging qzjul to change the game code to make it impossible to hit you? I'll tell you, when Clan GDI is cancelled because 50% of the players are quitting in protest, LaF is going to get creamed.

Its just a game Gainsboro. I'm not doing anything to anyone in real life. Retals are part of this game.

Thanks for taking the time to post this BlackHole. Food for thought.

"It is called an abacus and then you use your fingers and count 1,2,3,4.... Even I made a T10. You can do math too.

Monsters....remember getafix? I bet cyref does."


https://gyazo.com/...b3bb28dddf908cdbcfd162513

Kahuna: Ya you just wrote the fkn equation, not helping me at all. Lol n I hated algebra.

I'm with Kahuna on that one

/me sends Doug a package

As you say, Gerdler, I'm not bad at startups either. I think I've got them optimized pretty close to as much as they can be. But you are not telling the truth here, because I have seen you come out of the gate with massive countries far beyond what I can duplicate. Just like afaik.

As you said about 10 years ago on irc, when you returned to the game and we talked, and I thought maybe you were JJ23, you have tricks that you are not telling anyone. And you haven't told us here either. Are they "exploits"? I'd like to see an independent review of your gameplay by an auditor, because I don't trust you any more.

I think your Clan GDI idea is a disgrace and the ruination of the game. You worked with Pang to get it developed to deal with suiciders. But then, simply opening up the profiles resolved most of the suicider problem and Clan GDI wasn't needed. But the code was there, and 2 years later you got qzjul to activate it just to protect LaF because you lost a war.

I think you have been deleting posts in a arrogant, self-serving way. I think you lied to our faces when we were negotiating at the end of our war. And I think you would indeed stoop to blatant cheating through exploits to inflate your scores to feed your ego.

You should step down as forum moderator, and you should step down as leader of LaF, because when Clan GDI is cancelled, LaF will die if you are in charge because nobody will negotiate with you. LaF may well die anyway, because the fury at LaF is going to take some serious diplomacy to resolve, and that fury is 90% right on you.

Thanks for your input Andrew Mose. I have also been trying to improve my netting for many years, and I've learned a lot of tricks.

I'm 3rd in top 3 scores on Express, behind Gerdler and Tmac

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1 Gerdler $101,349,989
2 Tmac $95,322,775
3 Getafix $83,452,235
4 Rob $80,878,887
5 NitelL $77,854,630

and I'm 6th on Team:

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1 Cathankins $120,912,689
2 smlandau84 $107,946,059
3 ingle $95,367,252
4 afaik $92,484,677
5 Tmac $92,220,621
6 Getafix $87,867,287

I've been watching Gerdler and fighting with and against him for 10 years, and he consistently achieves significantly better results in the very early game than anyone else. I know most of the tricks and math here. I maintain that Gerdler is using an exploit known only to himself and very few others to achieve his results.

Here is the rule on exploits:

"Bugs and exploits
Earth empires is undergoing aggressive development. The developers try their best to prevent bugs and exploits but occasionally one may slip through. Our players are expected to immediately report any bugs or exploits they find. Deliberately exploiting bugs for player gain will result in country deletion."

Gerdler has shown himself to be unethical and untrustworthy, and all of his scores are suspicious. I want him to be investigated for the use of exploits.

qzjul
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08/17/2023 4:07 PM
TC doesn't have any db access anymore, that's all been changed.
I believe that we decided that a decade was a long enough ban

Gerdler appeared on Earth Empires 10 years ago, back when Afaik was winning every set he played on every server through an exploit that only he knew. Gerdler as soon as he appeared achieved the same impossible results. I challenged Gerdler at that time to tell me what the exploit was, talking on irc. I've had respect for Gerdler and haven't publicly accused him of cheating until now. My respect for Gerdler is over. He is using his authority as a mod to silence criticism, he negotiates in bad faith, and he uses his disgraceful cheating comrade Turtlecrawler to accuse me of breaking my word.

I call for an investigation of Gerdler's gameplay to see what method he is using to achieve seemingly impossible results with his countries right out of protection, and I accuse him of being a cheat.

Please explain the exploit that you use to build countries twice as strong as everyone else in the first few hundred turns. Afaik knew the same exploit. I say you are a cheat.

This is exactly right KoH, very well said. I was one of the leaders negotiating the 12 month pact with Gerdler. My word is good and I resent Turtle Crawler saying its not. I would have worked to persuade my allies to kill anyone who suicided on LaF after we had made the pact.

The pact was nullified because it was made in bad faith by Gerdler who was working behind our backs to persuade Qzjul to implement Clan GDI to wreck the game even as he signed our pact. At the end of the pact time of 12 months LaF might have made themselves stronger or formed new alliances to protect themselves from being beaten in war, the same as the game has always been.

I'd like to add, KoH I just learned that you have been fighting cancer, and I'm terribly sorry. We've been playing this game together for many years and I like and respect you, and I wish you all the best and a full recovery.

Since you brought up my name in this thread I decided to participate. I notice you making a lot of stupid posts again here and on AT. I could even call it "spam". I thought I might point out your country number and encourage everyone to join me and put you on their "missile dump" list.

Hey look, you have another fan:

Time Type Attacker Tag Defender Tag Result
2023-09-07 00:10:09 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 97A
2023-09-07 00:10:08 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 102A
2023-09-07 00:10:08 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 108A
2023-09-07 00:10:07 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 114A
2023-09-07 00:10:07 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 120A
2023-09-07 00:10:06 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 126A
2023-09-07 00:10:05 NM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 133A
2023-09-07 00:09:58 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 9B 640 C
2023-09-07 00:09:56 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 9B 735 C
2023-09-07 00:09:56 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 9B 845 C
2023-09-07 00:09:55 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 9B 971 C
2023-09-07 00:09:54 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 11B 1117 C
2023-09-07 00:09:54 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 12B 1284 C
2023-09-07 00:09:53 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 12B 1475 C
2023-09-07 00:09:50 CM Killer boots (#30) Freedom Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 12B 1696 C
2023-09-07 00:07:33 AB Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 5B
2023-09-07 00:07:07 CM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 12B 1949 C
2023-09-07 00:07:06 CM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 13B 2240 C
2023-09-07 00:07:01 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 139A
2023-09-07 00:06:44 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 147A
2023-09-07 00:06:42 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 155A
2023-09-07 00:06:41 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 163A
2023-09-07 00:06:40 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 171A
2023-09-07 00:06:39 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 180A
2023-09-07 00:06:38 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 190A
2023-09-07 00:06:33 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7170MU
2023-09-07 00:06:32 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7243MU
2023-09-07 00:06:31 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7316MU
2023-09-07 00:06:31 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7389MU
2023-09-07 00:06:30 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7464MU
2023-09-07 00:06:30 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7539MU
2023-09-07 00:06:29 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7616MU
2023-09-07 00:06:28 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7693MU

Here are a few missiles from me to welcome your restart, bh

2023-09-07 00:07:33 AB Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 5B
2023-09-07 00:07:07 CM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 12B 1949 C
2023-09-07 00:07:06 CM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 13B 2240 C
2023-09-07 00:07:01 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 139A
2023-09-07 00:06:44 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 147A
2023-09-07 00:06:42 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 155A
2023-09-07 00:06:41 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 163A
2023-09-07 00:06:40 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 171A
2023-09-07 00:06:39 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 180A
2023-09-07 00:06:38 NM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 190A
2023-09-07 00:06:33 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7170MU
2023-09-07 00:06:32 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7243MU
2023-09-07 00:06:31 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7316MU
2023-09-07 00:06:31 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7389MU
2023-09-07 00:06:30 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7464MU
2023-09-07 00:06:30 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7539MU
2023-09-07 00:06:29 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7616MU
2023-09-07 00:06:28 EM Gunner (#52) xSOLx Furocity brought it upon himself (#95) JELLY 7693MU

My reason for disliking you is your excessive and ignorant posts. Here is a copy of a very good post by Derrick that describes how I feel about your posts, Blackhole:

"That said, I think you should stop derailing the 1a thread where qz is asking questions to us and everyone has chosen to respond to you about your drama instead of qz. I think that's actually hurtful to the current developments, and probably if I was qz I'd quit reading. The community chose to embarrass themselves instead of having an intelligent convo with a developer, and I think you're a big, almost full, part of that. I wish you'd stop that on that thread in particular because I believe it matters."

I did say to you that you wouldn't be netting while I was around. And on Alliance, I'm not around. I also stated that I might give you a break, since I'm not one to run people out of the game. But if you continue to post annoying and disruptive crap, I will attack you if I'm playing and if I can identify your country.

Gigafix here, and in your head, lol. As a matter of fact I'm not #55, and I wasn't in the killrun that killed your country. Sorry I missed it though, since you deserved it for your ongoing bullfluff posts.

Blackhole, I don't like you mostly because you post too much crap. There is a problem with this forum, because people like you can get far more attention than you deserve. There's no like/ dislike button to filter out garbage. I like to make up for that by attacking people who post excessive amounts of crap in-game.

I did say that you wouldn't be netting while I was around, in my in-game message in Team. It sounds like that scared you a lot, judging by your responses lol. But you don't have to worry, because I'm actually quitting the game over Clan GDI. I don't believe I've ever run anyone out of the game. Jj23 maybe, but he made real life death threats. Boltar couldn't drive me off, but I think he decided to quit all by himself. Gains has threatened to drive SoL off the server. He may succeed sith Clan GDI.

I see qzjul posting about allowing declare war between clans, so there may be hope for the game yet. I'll probably give you a break if I continue playing Blackhole since you are making countries and trying to learn, at least.

Blackhole, I don't like you mostly because you post too much crap. There is a problem with this forum, because people like you can get far more attention than you deserve. There's no like/ dislike button to filter out garbage. I like to make up for that by attacking people who post excessive amounts of crap in-game.

I did say that you wouldn't be netting while I was around, in my in-game message in Team. It sounds like that scared you a lot, judging by your responses lol. But you don't have to worry, because I'm actually quitting the game over Clan GDI. I don't believe I've ever run anyone out of the game. Jj23 maybe, but he made real life death threats. Boltar couldn't drive me off, but I think he decided to quit all by himself. Gains has threatened to drive SoL off the server. He may succeed sith Clan GDI.

I see qzjul posting about allowing declare war between clans, so there may be hope for the game yet. I'll probably give you a break if I continue playing Blackhole since you are making countries and trying to learn, at least.

Its been a great time playing Earth for many years. Giving people protection from war takes away the part of this game that adds all the excitement and interest, for me. Since you have now changed the game completely from what it always was, I'll be taking a break until you put the game back the way it should be. Thanks for the fun and good luck.

fluffit

I'm sorry this thread is even here and I wasted my time scanning through it. Butthole sure is an idiot and time waster.

You've taken on the role of spokesman for laF it seems, TC. You've done a pretty good job arguing your side, though its ultimately a losing argument. What is best for the game is far more important than what is best for LaF. LaF is just a small player in a very long history of Earth 2025 and Earth Empires as a war game.

I was actually referring to Blackhole as the guy with maybe 5 sets of experience and a huge big mouth that has no importance, compared with the vets you see posting on this thread. I really hope that the stakeholders of this game are looking carefully at this debate, and the mass departure of veteran players that's now happening as a result of Clan GDI.

So far the game is losing veteran players with over 150 years of collective game experience, quitting because of Clan GDI. The posts of some guy who has played maybe 5 sets total is a distraction, but he has zero actual importance.

Only a fraction of the players leaving over this have posted here. You need to reverse your stance on Clan GDI and get rid of it, Qzjul, or you will only have LaF and a few others playing. And they'll soon get bored and quit too with no danger or risk in the game.

I will also be deleting my country, and I won't return unless Clan GDI is removed. The game has been made pointless and stupid. I'm really disappointed in Qzjul for implementing this mechanic and bringing this 25 year old game to an end.

You lying piece of fluff Gerdler, signing our pact while setting up the destruction of the game because LaF are fluffing pussies. fluff you.

no, not my bushels! :,(

It is a material fact, because if LaF is able to avoid all attacks by joining Clan GDI, that makes the pact with us unnecessary. It is material because we would have not signed the pact if we had known of it. And it is material because it is an issue of such critical importance to the nature of the game; Clan GDI is an existential threat to the game and our enjoyment of it.

So shove your bullfluff pact, signed under false pretenses and with deception on your part, up your ass.

I stand by what I said. Misrepresentation by concealment of material facts integral to the contract are grounds for declaring the contract void due to fraud. We didn't break the pact, we declared it invalid and unenforceable on moral or legal grounds. If you signed a contract of sale for a house, and you knew there was a cracked foundation but failed to disclose your knowledge, you would be in the same position; misrepresentation and fraud.

Having dispensed with the bullfluff contract, which you signed while still sucking up to Qzjul for total protection from attack by anyone ever, we attacked you with harmful spyops for causing this bullfluff Clan GDI mechanic to be implemented. We oppose your position on Clan GDI. I consider it to be an existential threat to the game. You can look that one up.

I see you are still going on about SoL pact breaking. As I said before, the 12 month pact that we offered to LaF was made 2 days before Clan GDI was publically announced. Gerdler had knowledge of it when he agreed to the pact and concealed it from us. It had a significant impact on the pact and the pact would not have been suggested or agreed to by SoL if we had known of it. We therefore declare that pact invalid and void due to Gerdler's misrepresentation by concealment of material facts.

Furthermore, I keep hearing from you guys about how the players in SoL, Mercs and SoF fail to self-moderate, hence we are griefers who need to be controlled by coded protection for netters. In fact, you didn't trust our offer of a 12 month pact, or it wasn't enough, and you still asked for Clan GDI to be implemented by Qzjul. LaF had not warred in 2 years, and the other main netting clans hadn't warred in many years, so self-moderation was never a problem.

We don't accept that any clan should have protection from war, because this is a war game and always has been. Clan GDI removes a key element of the game that has been in place since the start of Earth 2025, and is written directly into the game description. In my opinion, The people who have taken on the stewardship of this historical game have a duty to maintain the game in its original spirit that supercedes the desire by LaF to have protection from attack, or even LaF's survival.

Isolate LaF on a different server. If they can't survive here on 1A without artificial protection, they should die. Don't wreck this game for LaF.

Yes Turtle Crawler, it probably wouldn't kill any of us. You know, I remember starting this game with Monsters at the beginning of EE, and I had a copy of "Turtle Crawlers Tax Tweak Rep Casher Startup" I worked on that for a few years and optimized it on Express, Team and Alliance. I thank you for that contribution.

So here we are, and I'm trying to do my job as SoL FR and argue against Clan GDI. I really do think its bad for the game. I hope Qzjul will listen to both side of the argument and get rid of it. Meanwhile I'll keep arguing about that pact and we will harrass LaF until you drop Clan GDI and fight us.

Good luck Turtle Crawler

[quote poster=Coalie; 51987; 1016292][quote poster=ツ; 51987; 1016291]If the pact was my void on advanced knowledge of a game mechanic how do you figure sol broke the pact? [/quote]

I think he was also saying the unap was signed under false pretenses. It’s basically the equivalent of contract fraud, misrepresentation and deception. Intent to deceive, getting another party to agree to something in a fraudulent manner.
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That's right. There was a misrepresentation made by Gerdler when he failed to disclose material facts during the discussion of the uNap contract. If SoL had known about the planned implementation of Clan GDI we wouldn't have signed. When Clan GDI was announced 2 days later, I considered the pact invalid due to the deception. We oppose Clan GDi. It is directly harming the game as far as we are concerned. The game is not the same game that the pact was intended to be for, and LaF spat on it anyway by begging for protection from Qzjul instead of trusting us.

Just about every clause in the uNAP pact refers to obligations in wartimes. LaF now has a button that allows them to avoid all wartimes because they can't be hit by anything in the warroom. I declare the pact Void. Also, the way you agreed to it was done in a typically sneaky way, concealing your knowledge of the upcoming changes while pledging cooperation.

SoL retracted our agreement to the uNAP pact when ClanGDI was implemented because it fundamentally alters the relationships between our clans. it renders our uNAP created in a time when the war room worked at all times void. And if you don't agree that that's sufficient reason too bad. It's also too bad you left that small hole in your defences.

First, I am the spokesman for SoL as SoL FR, not the leader.

Gain's quote missed the part about my proposal to get someone in LaF that we can negotiate with and trust. The pact that SoL and the others agreed with Gerdler on was made void, as far as SoL and I am concerned, because Gerdler knew about Clan GDI when he was negotiating with us and said nothing. I'm certainly willing to negotiate again once Clan GDI is removed.

"Or even demote Gerdler, Gainsboro and Turtle Crawler to recruits and make Mac23 leader. Then maybe we can negotiate again.

Then, we form pacts that don't penalize us for recruiting new people who might fluff up, and we come up with a strategy to retain all the people who visit here every set and try the game out. We can follow the terms of our pact that we agreed on at the end of last set and work towards a better rapport, less hate, and making the game more enjoyable."

SoL, Mercs, SoF, Apoc and Evo were all ready to let LaF net in peace for a year, and work together to improve the game. One of the best ways would be to encourage clans to recruit new players. Our old pact with LaF discouraged recruiting players because laF demanded huge reps if someone hit them, as happened a few year ago and often happens with noobs.

The leadership of LaF is obsessed with high scores, achieved by playing with no defenses or spies and trying to never be hit. They've now taken that to its logical conclusion, which is Clan GDI, that makes it impossible for them to be hit and removes all the most interesting aspects of the game.

LaF should pay for a separate server where they can net in peace, and get off 1a. But I bet if there was such a server nobody would play there because it would be totally boring with no risk.

Cancel Clan GDI!

Clan GDI has not yet been imposed on Team, just on 1a.

btw welcome back Braden, it's great to see you here again! I hope to see you around, though if Clan GDI is left in place, there will be no need for interaction in the game any more and I doubt I'll be around for long. Still hoping though

Yeah great braden, lets wreck Team too

I guess its not LaF Empires now after all.. Its LaF parking lots

Bones

I'm wargaining on Alliance, as always. I have no interest in grabbing bots for two months, and prefer war.

If you are so great, play against me on Express. Just 5 days and we can do it right away.

Express, next week.