I was around back then. I play every now and then.

Haven't played this set, but we got a snowstorm so wanted to see whats new. Saw this comment and just wanted to let you know the correct determination of a retal policy to help you all out.

Retal policy is decided by whoever wants to back it up. If Loc wants a 5 set retal policy, they have the right if they are going to back thier actions. Imp also has the right to not accept the policy. With all the bot hitting and not needing to hit real people, I figured I'd give this refresher of how these things get handled :)

On a related note, this is interesting because if I was FA, I wouldn't accept month old retals, but also if I was getting topfeed/stock fed at the end of the set, I'd tell my members to take month old retals, probally more than that actually.

nice

I'm not dbd, but I remember you. Haven't seen vilse since I came back a few months ago.

But your fluff talk ingame is ok?

I somehow got 10 with starting late and not being around at the end time

After close to 5 years away I came back last set and got 124 mil net as a teacher and helped with kill runs. Your point is very valid.

SOlution.

Hellrush and Marshall settle this in a 1 on 1 next set in FFA. Settle your dispute there, and have it all be said and done.
No innocents get harmed in this, and the rest of the earth community can have peace.

I have to disagree with the e2025 reference of players quitting due to small tags being farmed. We had 10k+ countries, with lots of multis/bots, but those bots were not risk free in hitting, same with the multi's. It added risk to your LG'ing. Small alliances back in the day were never ran off the game from farming. They'd stand up and fight against it, politically allign themselves so that they could survive. There were many things that happened, and while a poorly ran small alliance may have died, the players didn't leave the game, they went to another alliance.

Bot farming is no where near bottom feeding of the old e2025 days. YOu can't even compare it. Show me a bot that has gotten bottomfed, and retaliated, attempted to retal, topfeed to get the bottom feeds to stop. There is none becasue there is ZERO risk in lg'ing a bot, where there were many risks in bottom feeding. Comparing the 2 is one of the worst comparisons you can make.

The reason most players quit, was because a large portion of the playerbase was in the 14-22 age. As that player base grew up, this game became either boring, or less important. Players graduated college, started thier new job, and new lives. Thus by about 2010, that age group turned to the 24-35 age, and this isn't a game that attracted new players, as there is no flash, graphics, or instant gratitfiacation one gets with this game.

Leaders also burned out back in those days, because we had to do something called LEAD. There were actual politics played. You were managing 50-200 people, over ICQ, IRC, or message boards. There was a lot more to do and worry about back in those days, and being an FA or alliance leader you had tons of political implications to issues.

But bottomfeeding was probally the least reason of reasons people quit back then. We did this thing called adapt.

Oh and I offered reps for the missle! Lol

I've moved on now ingame:)

To me, everything is settled

Galleri. I think you are mixing some of my story up with someone else. Nothing was a mistake on my end, except destroying 1 members missle. I was 10 tapped, I hit back 10 times, and was hit back again 10 times. I wanted reps, or really just a little, sorry, my bad here take this reps or retals, just something, instead I got an untagged has no rights, fluff off. *not from you*

You did talk to them, and told me you tried talking sense into them to not push things. * my words not galleri*

I believe though that I was pretty upfront and clear of what my plans were without a talk between breeze and myself.

If you vouched for me after i stated intentions on at, I'm sorry, but I was open with what would happen without us making an arrangement, but breeze would not leave any room for talk.

But please remember, what i did was never a mistake, except that o e sabotage of the innocent missle. I got hit 10 times in a 48 hour window. I just retaled. No mistake on my end.

He gets it. Your post gets a like. *presses like button*

Why would I suicide next set? We had a disagreement on how things should have happend, I took my retals, Imag acted how they thought they should. It's over....

and it wasn't a suicide this set, it was just retals :)

Bolter, I forgot to check country this morning and working a 12 hour shift. I'm pathetic but now the country is gone.

No need to worry about a restart. You can keep looking, but there won't be one. Good job killin, however you should have done that originally. Don't let someone threaten you.

Breeze, 35 of my 55 retals completed. I'll call us even.

You could have talked about reps, or heck you could have killed me when I told you that this was going to happen. You did neither, so I completed my promise.

I sat over 1 maybe 2 weeks with 0 troops, 0 turrets( not anymore), and I was not killed :(

I gave you every opportunity to either right your wrong, or to flex your muscles. Instead you now look foolish.

Ohh, and others who hit me, paid me reps, or accepted my retals.

Anyway I expect to be dead shortly, but I also expected to be dead 3 weeks ago.

HI Trife

THat's how it was in the old days, it's called initiation. They learn quick enough.

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Honestly, never thought of 1 man tag. I was going to do one thing after my first being farmed issue while I was deciding if I was going to play or not, and had no real issues that were not able to be handled. One guy paid my untagged country reps, and a second took the retal like a champ.

While I still want to do my retals I promised breeze I would take, I'm instead just not going to play the country anymore as I don't want to hurt peoples feelings.

Enjoy your game of hitting things that don't hit back, and if they do they are the bully, and the biggest challange is finding bots not in DR's, so the only real conflicts that can occur are pre-arranged. The nostalgia of the old earth 2025 is gone, see you in a few years maybe. Maybe not :)

This player was former SOF tagged, and then went to sol, 5 tapped not just me but someone else(maybe they were 4 tapped, don't care about them). Without getting into details on the countries spy opt, the country was set up for something bad. So, 5 tap and you will get reacted on.

IF someone was to 5 an alliance, it would be farm/Kill. IF you 5 tap an untagged, who is obviously not a bot and just did a 1k acre plus retal the day before, the untagged shouldn't react because we could lose a player?

Well, I've got one thing left to do on alliance, take my retals on breeze, and then I am also done with alliance for good. And 99/100 I'm playing in an established tag. Just add 20000 bots on this server so there has to be zero interaction, or better just give everyone thier personal set of bots so that nobody gets thier feelings hurt.

I see you either were detagged from SOL, or choose to leave on your own, Hoping you like the retals for that 5 tap. If you still would have been tagged, I'd of talked to SOL leadership, or at least attempted to if you hadn't been detagged/left.

Hey buddy, I'm not in laf, so my names not on the list

IF all people do is hit bots, then there is no real reason to war.

An earthquake occurred destroying 910 buildings!

GOOFY!

OMG HI!!!!!!!!!!

Galleri I'd keep it as simple as possible if there was no act of aggression this set by country, or clan a, and country b makes specialty attacks, or 2 lgs on a country x amount bigger than them just for the purpose to scew that country over, this happens. Delete, not ban, so then they can restart with no restart bonus.

I'm sure this has been stated and shot down, but the solution shouldn't be that hard.

If there is a suicide that is unprovoked(that can be determined what that means) suicider gets deleted, country that was suicided on gets rolled back to before the suicide.

In this way, suicider does not accomplish anything, and the person suidided on doesn't lose anything.

Now in doing this, there would have to be some well defined rulesets, but I still think we can keep that pretty simple.
IF there has been no exchange of hits/spy opts(harmful) this set, it is unprovoked.
IF there are hits greater than (insert # here) by the tag, suicider can hit anyone in the tag.
Anything from previous sets would be considered unprovoked attacks, as we should wipe the slate clean each set.

If the damage the suicider does has no impact on the person's country, there is no point.
You will still have those hiding waiting for someone to hit them and then suicide, that's okay, hit bots, and it adds some risk back to this game.
It does not take care of the waring clans, but I don't find that as an issue.

Disclaimer, I've no idea what it would take for coding to be able to do a rollback for a country, but it would be the best way to prevent suiciders.

So against adding bots, and instead play on a dead server. All x strats are boring. The server is 50 people, It doesn't even seem worth it.

So did you lg or retal?

You are stating both.

This is correct, however country b hit country d.

It would be like saying I can get more land by (retaling) against d, even though b hit me.

So your saying that Country A(tag A) hits country b (tag b) I'ts okay then to retal country c (tag A) because he can't retal country A?

You want that policy, be able to enforce it. Nobody forces you to be in a 1 person tag. And this is no innocent new person.

Kinda funny also that this isn't the first RoR you've done. *looks at Marshall's tag*

I learned the spying thing is a waste mid last reset. Oversending is better.


Breeze, I spied those countries the same time I sent the ab's. That was before my post.

My original post here states about my country name. Just adding an fyi.

MrCuban, That could easily have been an option, had he not done another 10 or so LG's after again and won't be a let go by both parties.

I've stated my intentions my hits will only be against #57, and then any offending countries after that.

Elders and SOL LGS don't matter, as they were solo taps. Differnce between a solo hit, and just farming a player.

My country is not on the bot list for Imag, which they have a BOT list. The country name does not follow the bot list, and my country number is probally outside the bot range for the set(this could be wrong as I don't have access) These are things I learned in 1 set of playing 1a. If he hasn't learned to use that bot list and what 98% of players know is bots by name... Well I wouldn't be giving the advice on 1a in that regards.

Lastly, I know the drawbacks of not being tagged, and what can happen. Just as everyone know if you go overboard on your LG's against a player, you should know what the consequences could be.

Bottom line-
only 57 or those hitting me get hit.
I know the risks, so should the one doing the lgs. I love the spin that the 10 tapper is the victim here.
I do not argue that I should be killed. I also do not argue that I am able to retaliate however I please. Right now the issue is between 2 players and will stay that way until others get involved.
I have the ability to join alliances, I don't want to bring this issue to others, so I am staying untagged.

Def need more peeps.

More land to grab.

More fluff to start :)

Okay, So with the time expiring,

I will be taking my 55 retals, however I've decided that the retal window is for the whole set. I will decide when I retal, and how. Any future attacks will be added to a 2:1 per attack(for breeze country) on an escelating scale. All retals will be only to the country that hit me.

If I receive attacks from the tag of Imag other than the original offender, then I will consider that Imag tag is fully responsible and are all free game. If this happens, as I told the players who contacted me, I will give ample warning so that innocent members of Imag are not harmed, and have time to relocate.

I think these are fair terms.

I will keep you posted when the retals have been completed.

Have I done anything with anyone else since before this post? And I beleive I've offered Aphrodite reps also for the missile I destroyed :)

Galleri, I feel the same way, however I've been wrong before.

Breeze, you have around 12 hours until the offer expires, or you can counter offer.

From the Pm's I've gotten, along with ingame and other chats, I understand why you can't.... I mean haven't gotten the kill run together yet for me. Luckily this so far is just between us, I'd hate to see your tag loose members over your LG's.

12 hours.

Whom is we?

I've seen a lot of this is between the two of you posts here.

For an insignificant untagged country, you sure are paying attention to me, destroying my missile (yes singular) and running Alliance ops on me. Who do you think is helping this poor little untagged?

Is the reason you haven't killed me yet becasue you don't have full support in your CLAN, or with your allies becasue you brought this on yourself?

And Aphrodite, if your concerned about that one missile I destroyed, I am willing to pay reps, but it would have to be through an agreed upon 3rd party, as I wouldn't want you to use that free opt to try to kill me:)

What would that be for networth? if someone could break down that to cash that'd be great:)

Savage gets it.

Archaich, if they knew anything about me, they would know what actually matters to me. My country means nothing :) It's good to see other old timers, especially those who remember how I am, and what is important.

Aphrodite, sabotaging 1 missle and a few attempts is not considred a suicider. And also it is not a suicicider when provoked, and is defending myself.

His message to me stated I would be killed. Since this isn't ffa or express, the only way I could be killed is by his tag. Thus this means that I had to defend myself. Also, I see he spied me again 4 hours ago. So I'm guessing on his side, this still ins't done. I believe there is still about 36 hours left of our negotiation time, if anyone wants to discuss.

OF course I know that won't happen, and I know that I stand no chance against the great Imag, but at least I can enjoy myself a bit. And if you know good old LS, you'd know that it has nothing to do with my country :)

You can read my first post that states why I was untagged :)

I've said all I need to :)

You can PM me how I will receive my reps.

I'll still give you the 48 hour window to decide.

The reps are negotiable as any FA dealings are. by my count though, let me add up the total retals owed to your country.

1:1 2:1 3:1 4:1 5:1 6:1 7:1 8:1 9:1 10:1 That is 55 right there, then we add in your RoR's I retaled 12 times, by ab's and missles. You retaled my retals 12 times also. I'll be nice and wipe your retal on retals which is at least 2:1 each for my special attack retals.

So, I currently have 55 remaining retals, all just against you(if I was a true suicider I'd just hit anyone in your tag, however I'm going at this diplomatically. It's not your alliance's fault that you 10 tapped me)

Also, any attacks by your tag in the future will still be considered RoR's and will be handled appropriately.

If death is your plan for me, I understand, but also know, anyone in your tag that participates will also be eligable for retals, as I will take out my retals with my restart until I get the full amount allotted to me. Which being nice, We are only up to 55.

If your allies kill me, and your tag does not participate, the retals will be executed on your country only.

OR you can pay me reps. I"m willing to negotiate, you have aproximately 46 hours remaining on the offer.

It wasn't 100% I wasn't going to play.

Some friends from other servers when they heard I wasn't going to play (already had created the country) were trying to get me to join them. I hand't decided yet.

I'd say there was a 5% chance only, and this was it, as 427 was deciding on playing or not this set (could have went to old alliance, or where he was being recruited by friends) Only reason untagged was he hadn't made the decision.

HI,

I'm the owner of country #427. The country name was created while I didn't know if I was playing this set or not. I decided not to play I think 2-3 days into the set. Alliance kinda bored me. A few friends from other servers were trying to convince me to play with them, it would be less boring I was told, so I half heatedly played my turns. #57 within a 36 hour period hit me about 8 times. Well now I just feel like having fun with him. I retaled with some AB's, as I was not prepared at all to do anything, my country was just cs's and farms.

(side note, The name 2nd go around has no caps in it, which bots have thier names capitalized. So don't try to say I thought it was a bot).

Second side note I have no intention of hitting anyone except the country who hit me and retaled my retals. I may destroy missles as a precaution, but I'll send a nice love note along with that just so you are clear.

Now that he retaled my retals, I'm going to give you all an offer.

I will take reps for the retal of retal, 4 k acres, and 400mil cash. I'm adding time and suffering into this, along with defamation of character. This also stays between me and #57 until others get involved.

IF you decide to kill me, and get others help... Well then you have made alliance more interesting for me. I may restart and come back, I may not. However, I will not hold your allies responsible if you need their help in the kills. THey are just doing what allies are supposed to.


Pay reps as stated above, or possibly deal all set with me. Your choice. 48 hours is your timeframe, I will not touch you again until then to get my reps. Any acts of hostility towards me breaks this deal. I already know your answer:)

LS

PS
This Post is mostly for fun, as I"m deciding if I'm going to self delete or not. This post could help decide.

PPS
Not a suicider, Just taking my retals. Would prefer reps.

PPPS I miss FA on AT.

SS Oct 19, 15:09 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 76 A
SS Oct 19, 15:09 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 68 A
SS Oct 19, 15:09 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 58 A
SS Oct 19, 15:09 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 49 A
SS Oct 19, 15:10 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 41 A
SS Oct 19, 15:10 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 33 A
SS Oct 20, 14:41 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 61 A
SS Oct 20, 14:41 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 51 A
SS Oct 20, 14:42 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 41 A
SS Oct 20, 14:42 IHeadbanger (#57) (iMagNum) 2nd go around (#427) 32 A

I'd say they are retals

Who's ratski?

Just asking as an intersted party.

Thanks Derrick. you told me numerous times this set. thanks again