Crusader

H4 is older than me !

PS: You guys killed me on my bday as a bday present to me , remember ? :P (even if Rival/PG was the main gift giver :P)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY !

Confirmed

Praetor
-SOL Head

Go mittens !

Did you even look at the news before posting ?
There are 3 Rival countrys involved.
A Country that got LGed
B Country that retaled
C Country that hit B

If A hit B, that would be another story, assuming it was a legit retal, but i dont se a point debating the sematics of that anymore now that SoF is hitting SOL over this ?

Given the scenario:

Country #1234 in tag (B) LGs
Country #1 in tag (A) is LGed
Country #2 in tag (A) overretals
Country #3 in tag (A) hits Country #2 for land so that country #1234 in tag (B) cannot get its land back.
That is textbook land reselling.

SOL never did L:L , we did C:C L:L, there is a difference, I would honor L:L if it was in a pact, Rival is not pacted as PG refused to pact us.

Dont give me that warDNH stuff, Rival was mass FAing both LaF wallers and LaF restarts, its a show for the galleri to grant a wardnh, but FA the other alliance organized behind the scenes.

and you are not an idiot, nor have i ever flamed anyone or sendt others to do my biding in that regard.

Nej, du er liderlig, der er en forskel ..

Yeah, so i mess up You`r and Your from time to time, english is not my first language, so if you want to make a thread about my grammar, go right on ahead, and if PG agrees we can continue this in danish ?

My reply now is the same as then:
Session Start: Thu May 17 15:27:52 2012
Session Ident: [RIVAL]PG
[15:28] <Praetor> We need to talk about you`r overretals
[16:11] <[RIVAL]PG> Dear Praetor,
[16:11] <[RIVAL]PG> Rival has had you on WarDNH the whole war. We did not interfere in the war, except for some token FA packages due to events this set.
[16:11] <[RIVAL]PG> But as usual, once SoL tastes some power they don't waste time trying to throw their clout around. If you are going to topfeed us (8,940 acres vs 41,861 acres) with the intention of causing us undue damage, then we will retal as we see fit.
[16:11] <[RIVAL]PG> You cannot tell us you do not accept our retal policy, because we are sticking by our guns. If you still have a problem you might as well come out and FS us and then you'll see how far your imagined political clout really goes
[16:14] <Praetor> Token FA packages, you`ve been activly FAing LaF, the majority of your members have pacts with multiple LaF countrys
[16:14] <Praetor> it`s borderline organized
[16:14] <Praetor> SOL does not recognize topfeeds, nor do we define them in our retal policy
[16:15] <Praetor> I`m not going to FS Rival, that would be stupid, you have been netting the entire set while SOL has been almost tagkilled
[16:15] <Praetor> SOL does not accept Land:Land
[16:15] <Praetor> that is a know fact
[16:15] <Praetor> the country in question also did FA LaF, so it didt effect a "innocent" Rival member
[16:16] <Praetor> furthermore, You are reselling the land intag
[16:16] <Praetor> and thats not gonna fly
[16:16] <Praetor> i`ll take it up with the other heads and get back to you
[16:16] <Praetor> you`ve allready threated to Farm SOL
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We accept YOUR retal policy ? gimme a break, you have never accepted ours

Take last reset when :
2012-02-23 21:32 TITS OF BiBiGoN (#241) [Rival] FSU with Duke and K3nt (#88) [SOLx75] SS Defended
2012-02-23 21:32 TITS OF BiBiGoN (#241) [Rival] Scourge Is Older Than Me (#294) [SOLx75] SS 539A (+418A)

#241 then did infact buy up, like you accused #931 of doing this set, i dissproved you guys in that thread, but you can look at the nw change for #241 last set here : http://earthgraphs.com/...aph=alive&tab=history

So he dobbel tapped SOL, then bought up enough turrets to come to rank 1, or 6m nw worth of turrets, which is 10m turrets.
And refused to drop any def, then did the same this set:
2012-04-22 22:33 BiBiGoN (#377) [RIVAL] Detroit Red Wings (#19) [SOLdier] PS 536A (+482A)
2012-04-22 22:25 BiBiGoN (#377) [RIVAL] SoLe SuRViVoR (#233) [SOLdier] SS Defended

Or you can take examples like when we did have a pact, and you abused it :
[21:21] <Praetor> 2/21/2012 08:28:28 So long and thanks for the Dict (#29) Rival For Johnny k3nt (#126) SOLx75 PS 1003 Acres / + 785 Acres
[21:21] <Praetor> 2/20/2012 08:29:49 So long and thanks for the Dict (#29) Rival For Johnny k3nt (#126) SOLx75 PS 1176 Acres / + 805 Acres
[21:21] <Praetor> 2/19/2012 15:42:16 For Johnny k3nt (#126) SOLx75 So long and thanks for the Dict (#29) Rival PS 1516 Acres / + 717 Acre

I`m getting bored with your selfrightousness PG, Rival was in the wrong, SOL has let similar stuff slide without ANY incident before, but you take it upon yourself to kill when it happens to you, thats the entire issue here, you didt get it your way, and you got angry, now deal with the consequenses and stop crying about it on AT.

Where is your contact / annoucment / anything before you killed a SOL country ?

You called in SoF, making it a war instead of just owning up to your actions.

no, you are both wrong:

http://earthgraphs.com/...last_h=72&tab=history

10m turrets would be 6m nw alone, the country in question never got above 6m Nw, so how is that possible ?

If you look at the link, after the grab, there is a 50k nw increase, that would be 83k turrets if that`s what was bought.

After that, there is no further nw increase until Rival kills it.

Thank you, try again

If it helps you, i most likely wont recall this in the morning either

What you do with your own land becomes another alliance`s issue when you try and screw them out of their land on legit retals, be it reselling, hiding in DRs or dropping it. This is pretty commonly accepted, and not something i`m making up, the fact that you reject that line of thoughts, says more about you and Rival, than anything else.

We discussed the hit, and i`m sure i could have told PG SOL doest not accept L:L , even if i dont recall that conversation in spesific, i could find the log if the exact wording is important to you, i`ve never said we did`t, now you are twisting my words again.
i said, Rival did not discuss anything about killing a SOL country, not even a mention, and that is bad FR practice.

And i am fully accepting it, i find it hilarious what a bunch of hypocrits you are turning out to be :)

Also, is that a offical Rival statment ?
So if i grab Rival, it is ok if i get someone to SS that land away from me before Rival can retal ? Sounds sweet, im sure alot of tags will be happy to hear this new rival policy ;)

SOL never surrenders.

also, i offered LaF a CF on April 22nd :
http://forums.earthempires.com/...1335401716&z=dear-laf

:D

Yes i do KO, just like Rival has done to us for sets.
Do you know what your own alliance`s public retal policy is ?
"Hit us and we f* you up !"
Rival can`t always have it their way, but thats what this entire thing is about really, Rival not getting it their way.

Your entire argument is wrong. LaF FSed SOL, how is SOL Gangbanging LaF ? lol
also now with you + rival + laf vs SOL, are you gangbanging us ? haha, go back in your cage flamey

Learn to Read KO, the retal policy you are quoting is the grounds to which why #542 was subject to retals after he farmed #258 after #258 overretaled #931 so retaling the over-retals wouldt give max gains, this is called reselling, not the other way around.

Nothing of what you just posted makes sense Souly, you just turned every sentence around and tried to spin it

5/17/2012 03:52:27 Frgedg May Urbanus (#258) RIVAL LaF aint got no honor (#931) SOLdier PS 550 Acres / + 755 Acres
5/17/2012 03:51:54 Frgedg May Urbanus (#258) RIVAL LaF aint got no honor (#931) SOLdier PS 607 Acres / + 770 Acres
5/17/2012 03:53:04 Frgedg May Urbanus (#258) RIVAL LaF aint got no honor (#931) SOLdier PS 513 Acres / + 733 Acres

This is L:L ^

5/17/2012 07:01:03 Baby Einstein (#542) RIVAL Frgedg May Urbanus (#258) RIVAL PS 3082 Acres / + 933 Acres
5/17/2012 07:00:58 Baby Einstein (#542) RIVAL Frgedg May Urbanus (#258) RIVAL PS 3185 Acres / + 1203 Acres
5/17/2012 07:00:52 Baby Einstein (#542) RIVAL Frgedg May Urbanus (#258) RIVAL PS 3273 Acres / + 1237 Acre

This is land reselling ^

You claim that #931 RoRed, and then there is only 1 more hit left before you killed #931 :

5/17/2012 16:10:44 LaF aint got no honor (#931) SOLdier Baby Einstein (#542) RIVAL PS Attack Failed

Since you belive that is a RoR, then you are admitting you were land reselling.

You call it a RoR, so you now admit that what you did was landreselling ?

I did listen, PG gave me a monolog before doing L:L
Then never replied me back, neither did any of the Rival HC after PG posted on your HC board about it (according to her)

You are still wrong no mather how you try and spin it, you rolled the dice, killed a SOL country without ANY contact regarding that, or the land you resold after performing L:L.
After this, you performed an unauthorized kill.
So we killed the countrys involved in that kill, noone else. You then called in SoF to bail you out.
Thats the facts, and nothing you say can change it

2 weeks ?
5/18/2012 14:58:52 Apocalyptica (#546) RIVAL LaF aint got no honor (#931) SOLdier CM 2 Civs / 52 Blds

Go get some sleep, come back tomorrow and do 1+1 Murf :P

Quite easy Chevs, LaF almost tagkilled SOL, so we are all restarts, Rival has`t been touched, so took some time to stock up to get in range to kill those guys.

Oh we are Sov , i`m just questioning your retorics and reasons , is that not what a forum like AT is for ?

too funny

Rival killed a SOL country without any FA contact, after trying to imposse L:L on SOL, then after doing L:L, they resold the land in-tag.

SOL killed two of the 5 countrys involved in the killrun on the above mentioned country.

Rival needs SoF help to take down a SOL full of restarts ?

Welcome to the party SoF !

PS: Does this mean Rival declares war on SOL too ? Or are you just gonna kill more countrys without saying a word ?


Rival: 31 tagged 500mill nw
SoF: 72 tagged 808mill nw

SOL 60 tagged 299m nw

Who are the bullies Sov ? :)

You still have`t answered my question.
When has SOL decleared war on LaF because LaF was cheating ?

I think you are forgetting that LaF FSed SOL, not the other way around.
Since we "always" use LaF "cheating" for en excuse to hitting laf (your words), when is the last time SOL hit LaF over them cheating ?

And i was not invited Zee ?!

Headhunter is doing some thread necro

Again, i`m not defending anyone, but i am not taking someone`s word for it ?
How do we know he acctualy did it ?

I thought he only considered doing it, and acctualy did not.

Anyone confirmed (that would know for sure) that he infact did ?

From what i`ve seen of your slander on here, i dont want to know you.

You are calling someone a cheater, but you dont have any proof, in the same thread, you are cursing and yelling because someone accused someone else of cheating without any posted proof.
What would YOU call that ? Do i need to find you a dictonary ?

Why it is necessary to ask for proof when someone calls someone a cheater ?

Because i dont take people`s word for it.
Esp not a giant hypocrit troll like Symac.

Dibs is a giant cheater ! He is the biggest cheater since the days of VingThor ! I cant belive he`s not banned yet, its a disgrace the admins have`t permabanned him for all his multirunning/botting of legit alliances/hacking/other evil stuff

I`m sorry if asking for proof is getting in the way of you`r trolling.

Why are you putting words in my mouth ?
I am not defending anyone, where am i defending anyone, can i ATLEAST have proof of that ?

i am asking you, the person who is crying out for proof when someone made an accusation, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF ?

Repeating someting 100 times, does`t make it true.

You don`t have any, then you sir, are a hypocrite :)
Point proven.

Also, he is the one writting :
"Sorry, you have proof of my cheating? Well let's see it you fluffing piece of fluff?"

So like i said, until he provides the above mentioned proof when HE is the one making the accusations, he is the biggest hypocrit on AT :)

i`m not defending anyone, i`m asking him for proof when he accusess someone of cheating.

That has to be the worst attempt at an argument i`ve seen.

So to sum it up, your "proof" of ano beeing a cheater is:

- His looks ? FB stalking him ?
- His smell ? How does he smell, is it his cologne ?
- His history , do you have any links to proof of this statment ?
- Your statment that its "obvious"

Throwing stones in glass-houses much ?

Since you are advocating so strongly for evidence for his accusations, i assume you have and will share your evidence for your accusations ?

ICQ IS DEAD !?!?!?!

Like i said CC, why should we FS them ?
SOL does not have a pact with Rival, so that is a none-issue.

I dont belive there is a precedence for FSing over outside FA ? It is pretty common and might be a viable strat ? but it would be an interesting discussion on a general level, and not spesific to the current war(s).

@ Anonymous

What does my family, my work or my friends have to do with this game ? Please enlighten me

It`s true

I FAed Eric

I have reviewed the clan news log back to the April 25th and i have not seen ANY SOL country reciving aid from PDM, so i assume the country has been untagged at the time, could you please provide me with the country numbers in question to satisfy my curiosity ?

Do you se anyone from SOL / MD / EVO / RAGE leadership complaning ?
No
Do you se anyone from SOL / MD / EVO / RAGE leadership posting this on AT even tho its obvious and we know ?
No

But, when you post incorrect statments like that, for no obvious reason, you are forcing my hand to set the record straight:

In 6 ops on LaF restarts, i se about 30% of Rival pacted to these, we dont care about it enough that i`m going to make an investigation or anything,and i`m sure if i bothered to spy every laf restart for releations, or just Rival, i would find more, so it is not a single country or member, it looks pretty organized, but please ? why lie about it ? It`s not like it mathers in the big picture or i`ve come crying to Rival or LaF about it ?
SOL is not pacted to Rival or SoF, so as far as me and SOL is concerned, there is nothing wrong per that definition, all you other knights of moral (orkin etc) can disucss and battle over that Helmet comment. I see it more as an DP helping out their ally which i fully understand, and when unbound by pacts, is not usually an issue ? I cant speak for the other alliances involved in the war, so if Rival/sof are pacted to either of them, that might be a issue, but they would have to debate that themself, and that discussion usually doest take place on AT.

SOL is SoF`s retiermenthome !

SOL.ghqnet.com

i`ll hit your country ford , forum pm me the # !
Or i`ll unleash Hobo on you

Zee , your account is still active
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Hi Murf !
My gf interupted my walling, else id taken 800 easy :(

The Avengers was a council in UCN, along with the White council, they were a key factor to UCN`s survival in august of `98 which marks the end of the Klingon age, and the start of Fin`s rule, the avengers.. oh wait, this is the wrong one right, now you made me feel like a geek :(