oh wells made a few errors on the fascist lost about 2 mil worth of net ;)

Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 kill it with fire (#84) 19,558 $27,445,613 CG
2 wicked (#115) 21,267 $24,395,716 CG
3 one oh seven (#107) 8550 $20,876,881 HG
4 christine (#105) 21,728 $20,054,177 CG
5 Pelvic Thrust (#8) 12,195 $19,393,391 RG
6 Atlantis (#13) 13,843 $19,353,818 RG
7 Squiggles (#20) 14,211 $18,970,784 FG
8 C R O A T I A (#42) 14,494 $18,963,946 FG
9 asdf (#123) 13,295 $18,664,482 RG
10 88 (#89) 13,699 $18,578,558 FG

11 I cant finish (#54) 12,689 $18,058,404 HG
12 Walls Of Odengrad (#77) 7857 $17,654,792 DG
13 Party Time (#131) 20,559 $17,382,740 CG
14 Walls Of Stalingrad (#81) 11,031 $16,708,871 DG
15 Back to December (#26) 8139 $15,113,119 HG
16 Little Giant (#3) 8967 $14,912,902 HG
17 Daedalus (#132) 13,272 $14,313,085 RG
18 ETOH (#102) 12,467 $14,175,562 RG
19 Vaginatarian (#104) 10,152 $14,172,881 HG
20 OmgLolWtfPwndLmaoBbq (#80) 14,717 $14,134,641 CG

21 Ivan of SoF (#5) 11,334 $14,114,771 DG
22 Michael Jackson (#83) 9786 $13,708,148 D
23 LaMaGa (#72) 12,894 $13,403,004 DG
24 Irradiated Penguin (#11) 7400 $13,209,229 HG
25 Wooden Matches (#67) 6455 $12,759,952 HG

meh not too bad considering the fluffed beginning... thanx for the cashing tip it worked out a bit better then expected ;)

not bad for that many gov switches and few mistakes ;)

interesting idea, probably go commie techer early reset ---> to commie mbr, the extra taxes though would cut into the profit margin. Bonus is you would not need to resell as often, and would need less tech on hand so it could balance itself out.

what were the PM prices like?

as an early set landgrabber yes you are absolutely right, but then we are up against commie's for this land ;) --- Which actually surprised me to see how well commies are doing in the express resets.




granted the strats have their pro 7 cons, but i wouldn't go as far comparing techer to farmer two completely different commodities ;p





shush I'm working overtime here to makem even more "badass" :p

I still say a fascist is missing the little umph bump other govs have that enable them to place Top 3 consistently. There are the exception resets where market condition enable them to do really well ;) For example the low tech prices in express this reset, would have been good for a fascist.

lol ... I say it's FA :) ... the only question which remains now is should we FS them for FAing an enemy during a war :p

qzjul yes from a straight production value the fascist should have more bushels to destock <<< hopefully I interpreted your statement correctly.

But the demo should have more cash on hand (unless spent to make up the difference in bushels), and will sell them for a higher profit.

For example a demo can use the extra cash flow to buy all bushels @ or below $39 and this would be the same as stocking with no revenue loss. A fascist attempting to buy bushels @ $39 would loose a portion of their cash-out in the exchange unless they could resell those same bushels on the market later @ $44.

when it is all said and done a Demo without trying to make up the bushel difference will have a ~ 2 bil cash advantage, so the fascist needs to have 60 mil bushels extra to break even.

If the Demo used the extra cash and market advantage even a little i.e. 1-2 sales per day it would beat the Fascist hands down.

Helmet you are right:
The 2 strats are very close, but I would still love to see the fascist get a little umph bump ... ;) :p

qz your statement is qualified with early set land-grabbing, a demo can do this also, the only equalizer when comparing would have to be an all-x. It's like saying a tyr techer is better then a theo techer because it can grab more land.

The 15% bonus drops quickly when you factor in the higher tech and no taxes. A demo with $2-3 ($41-50 bushel prices) advantage while de-stocking 300-400 mil bushels can make an extra billion on the market easily.

another part of this is that a demo can resell on the PM at $38 without having to buy military tech early on, something a fascist cannot do. To make the same $ per bushel a fascist would have to sell bushels on the market @ 41.

So the Demo can buy their military tech later when tech prices have dropped some.

A demo also does not have to buy as much biz/res to match a fascist income which means a demo can maintain positive or much higher cash-flow much easier and for less $ up front.

so a demo can save an extra $400-600 mil in tech just by buying it later or not buying as much. Not to mention the ~200 mil or so it saves on taxes when buying tech and military while ramping up.

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if both strats reach 10,000k acres with 3K turns left in the reset, with 0 tech on hand, which one will finish higher?

if they were to cash out the rest of their turns:

How much tech will optimize each one to stock with? How much did each country spend?
Mil/Biz/Res/Agri

How much more tech would be needed by each country if they kept exploring their turns.

As for military;

On alliance figure on a mil or so turrets, and on solo 3-4 mil turrets worth of military. <<< which is why it is different when playing a F on an alliance server. On solo you have to run a high mil or get lucky to finish with a higher net.

All I'm saying is the higher military maintenance cost coupled to the lower income of a fascist is what ultimately gives the demo it's edge.

The demo simply does not spend as much cash to get their stock, and can ultimately sell it at a $2-3 advantage.

is that 2mil on had or 2bil on hand?

nay

there are plenty of other servers to play on where GDI won't stop you.

I agree with KC kill the harmful spy-ops... not needed if all they will be allowed to do is SS/PS.

Express = the civilized server, where the GDI sheriff will kick your behind for trying to disrupt our friendly community :p

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You can still mess with those who double tap you or use attacks other then SS/PS. So it is not like you cannot unload on someone who gets abusive or excessive in their attacks against your country. At least players will be unloading on the ones who get abusive and not on some innocent player who hasn't done anything to deserve another player's wrath or boredom relief.

Pang is secretly playing untagged it's the country that does not lose land but gains it on successful land-grabs :(

I was hitting it all day yesterday and it grew to 30K acres, for some reason the more I hit this country the more turns I was receiving. Ended up with almost 1000 extra turns, i couldn't use them fast enough.

Then when I stopped hitting pang's untagged country my country just shriveled up to almost nothing

My country started loosing income and bushels, my jet count kept growing exponentially and I wasn't even using turns... forcing me to hit pang's country again... it was horrible :p

to top it all off I got an in game message "muwahahaha we now pwn your country signed the cwazy canadians" This is when I knew it had to be Pang.

lol, crazyserb too slow...

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you're not supposed to be enjoying it ... darnit

go MBR early?

--- I know it's ef'd up, just sad to see a great country go down like that ;(

beware of smurf porn :)

...it can make you go blind, has been know to be DeDLy, and should only be looked at by those who want to live dangerously :p

/me Fire-hoses NOW3P down and throws soap at him :D

/me watches as NOW3P bounces all over the place from the water pressure ;D

/me rolls over laughing at funny sight

now you've been bumped :p

lol BobbyATA not many can do that including me, -- especially when they start mid-set :p

Dantzig ... I just looked at the stats, you took 17k land in landgrabs and lost 4K to nukes and the country was still sitting @ 19K+ land.

... darn it you still had a great country, you should have just played it out :( Based on the LGs I saw you make ...6-8 landgrabs and you would have recovered the land. I know it's a PITA when this type of thing happens but darn it don't make snap decisions :p

--- every netter should play at least one reset untagged on the alliance server so they can learn patience and not care so much when chit like this happens :D <<<-- (It's a humbling experience)

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that is messed up ..Dantzig

solo servers are different though, much more random, you have to play your country knowing it will ultimately be destroyed. If you get lucky then you survive the reset relatively unscathed, if not then it just part of what a solo server is about.

Alliance servers farm untags, and solo servers have these types of events. It's the nature of the game and the excuses are all pretty much the same, i.e. Alliance: Then join an alliance / Solo: protect your country better.

Does not change the fact that it really sux to be on the receiving end, unless you go into it willing while mentally prepped for a worst case scenario.

--- Any country that comes out of a reset alive is a bonus for me ;) if i finish top 50 then even better. Just play for the enjoyment of playing and not for the top 10 especially on solo servers

... if you get lucky then you get a top 10, if not then you land where ever. if the reset is ruined i.e. out of top x goal set then destock and have fun annihilating said country ;)

In Route: ~26.5 mil Bushels

just try to get a feel for how off I have been? Roughly where should this country be had it been played right?

would need to be player's choice if they want graphics on or off. --- It could really slow things down during wars :o

Besides I already hit slow enough, this would take me to a crawl :p

Would need a reminder to say your troops have arrived, now what?

I have thought about it for years, to recruit from math, jr. engineering, astronomy clubs and the like. The game itself would make a great learning tool, and I know they would enjoy the strategy aspect of this game .

My only hesitation is would the atmosphere of this game be suitable for a younger audience??? The game is also really set in its ways so changing the atmosphere is pretty much out of the question. So the question would have to be consider asis.

Maybe poly-sci majors, college students, or from other games.

This is precisely why a Demo technically has an advantage ..it can sell on the public market @42 and use it like a PM tax free.

It's amazing i even made the top 25 as horribly as i played that country :p

nice finishes Dantzig & Helmet

hehe I was away for the finish :)

:)

rank country # land networth special nw/land
1 be nice to new players 104 15,021 acres $25,946,244 HG 1,727
2 Helluva story 79 20,714 acres $23,540,087 CG 1,136
3 I MADE A BOOM BOOM 7 21,084 acres $19,792,723 HG 939
4 n00blet 27 8,220 acres $18,480,475 DG 2,248
5 IfiDidntWakeUpIdStillBeSleeping 96 16,027 acres $17,094,473 HG 1,067
6 Turtle 25 13,146 acres $15,398,371 HG 1,171
7 I Always Forget to Finish 39 10,839 acres $15,205,182 DG 1,403
8 Brown Bomber 6 7,302 acres $15,193,529 DG 2,081
9 Bad Bad Leroy Brown 70 16,173 acres $14,933,895 RG 923
10 One Hundred 100 15,550 acres $14,759,660 T 949
11 taylor swift is a princess 135 15,463 acres $14,122,066 RG 913
12 Urisa 5 5,078 acres $13,921,399 HG 2,742
13 Country Name 26 14,413 acres $13,677,079 DG 949
14 33 33 16,447 acres $13,426,574 HG 816
15 Crystal Meth Polar Bear 62 10,147 acres $13,406,209 HG 1,321
16 doo doo head 12 20,004 acres $13,152,465 CG 657
17 Intrepid 11 12,556 acres $13,071,846 DG 1,041
18 bull dozer 48 10,867 acres $12,901,881 CG 1,187
19 Vanilla 58 12,153 acres $12,789,502 RG 1,052
20 AngelinaHolie 64 14,726 acres $12,742,087 FG 865
21 Fern Gully 1 10,491 acres $12,250,392 HG 1,168
22 Gaza Strip Club 86 9,755 acres $11,774,657 R 1,207
23 New Around 105 14,907 acres $11,363,773 CG 762
24 what now 45 13,106 acres $11,127,860 RG 849
25 Goodbye Michael Scott 10 12,793 acres $11,027,962 DG 862

A demo has the ability to bring it's tech to higher levels and has no taxes on sales. Demos can also buy bushels at 38 and resell them at 39 on it's PM. These are all huge advantages for a Demo.

Taking mil tech down to 83% a demo can convert its bushels to military at a much better price point too. So it is not surprising to see a demo farmer take a top 3 position or even win primary. Especially if it was playing the market a little.

don't know on a rep farmer, haven't played one in quite a while, has anyone played one on a solo server into the top 10 ?

hehe patience just play a country for old times sake, there would be a lot of alliances that would love to have you suit up with them ;)

No worries on deerhunter ... this game has a way of resolving these types of issues on its own over time ;) I already know someday I will get my 3AM SMS with one word in it "killshot". I may have to stand in line and wait my turn but that's ok ;D

Ruthie I'm going to agree with hanlong here it really isn't worth it...

When I see posts like deerhunter's I have to remind myself this type of person has been conditioned and rewarded for bashing other people they feel intellectually challenged by. unfortunately they cannot keep up so must use bully tactics hoping the other person will give up when they realize the futility of having a reasonable discussion.

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Deerhunter ...here boy ... try to focus I'm over here :)

/me waits for snarling, enraged, and incoherent post ... I can do this all day ;D

Have you ever noticed how a cat is genuinely sad when the mouse they are playing with dies ???

I'm thinking rockman gave a fairly accurate assessment of the game's current condition ;)

top feeding = a lower networth country hitting a higher networth country to get a higher percentage of land during the land grab.

The two countries can be at the same exact acreage before the exchange. however in a 1:1 retal the lower networth country would come out ahead. Usually accomplished by a jet heavy country.

It was done this way so if a larger networth country hit a smaller country then with 1:1 retals a smaller country would come out ahead. Specifically why bottom feeding grew (when ghost acres disappeared) to where it is now vs. exchanging land in or at the same networth.

Topfeeding originally was a mark of a great player if they could get away with it and keep a good portion of the land taken after the retal. hehe yes it upset people back then too ... meh the good old days :)

Has the land grabbing formula changed?? Also do not know if ghost acres would make it more even now.

now where is my cup of coffee and get me my palm bearers :p

this would promote the killing of untagged countries and micro/small tags big time.

Good for larger clans bad for any clan under 30 members.

just my two cents...

make it so you cannot get land off a country unless:
it was tagged in the last 72 hours
it performed attacks other then SS/PS against countries that did not attack it first.

protect small clans in the same way and I may grudgingly say this could work.

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We would be better off having game generated rebel countries that can be randomly captured for 72 hours

i.e multiple clans hit a country when the # of attacks = a randomly generated number the country is captured. Whatever clan the player who got it plays for then get to have their own personal low def self-exploring land-farm for 72 hours ;)

put 10-12 of these into the game and it would take a lot of pressure off the land and untagged issues.

Ivan

On an alliance server peeps can get away with running a land fat fascist farmer with low def, but on a solo server it would be fish food ;) specifically why the mil buying power was being suggested.

Besides when was the last time you saw a Fascist Farmer take a top 3 position on the alliance server?

I think you are right Mortcus, in old earth buying mil tech would have lowered your PM price for bushels, I like this setup much better.

heya Junky ... I really can be if I want to be :p

Steeps many untags get land killed specifically because it would be a waste of land to kill it another way. Besides why use jets to BR when you can get land out of it?

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"If you wanted to address just SoL, you'd have posted on the SoL forums,"

I contacted your FA prior to all of this and told him there was a potential for retals... it was categorically ignored.

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"Who made the other ~290 attacks on your country? Why were none of them even attempted to be retalled?"

Because once i was in a position to retal and they were informed of this fact they chose to stop hitting unlike SoL

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"I don't support the actions of said member but at the same time I'm not going to muzzle them."

While I may be inclined to believe you personally may not condone this. The follow up actions of SoL after my retals point to something completely different.

At minimum I can call out 5 additional countries that did not feel the same way you do. Fact is had SoL truly frowned upon Deerhunter's behavior and considered it an overreaction on his part ... then they should not have jumped in and hit my country an additional 150 times with 5 countries simultaneously.

Given the above I had the choice of contacting your FA (who has made it abundantly clear i was on my own regarding this issue) or bringing it here for all to see. Obviously based on previous posts made by SoL members they feel they had the right to do the above.

I'm not going to deny your ability to do the above, that's a given... but can you justify it to the rest of this community. So far you have not been able to, based on what I'm seeing.

Had the rest of AT told me to STFU and that I had no right to bring this to light then I would probably be applying to SoL for a reset as an apology. But this is not what I am seeing here.

149 SS + 1 Nuke by 5 countries hitting simultaneously between 1/21/2011 0:18 and 1/21/2011 0:40... does this really look like standard untagged farming behavior to you?

if your member is going to be throwing derogatory remarks my way while representing your alliance and making it appear like he has the full backing of leadership then yes i will call the alliance out.

Rockman as much as I would love to believe this I know people landgrab and farm untags based on DR's

... the other part is if you do look at the news and compare it to normal game play: landgrabs usually do not overlap each other wherein 4-5 members from the same alliance will be farming the same untagged country.

149 SS + 1 Nuke by 5 countries hitting simultaneously between 1/21/2011 0:18 and 1/21/2011 0:40... does this really look like standard untagged farming behavior to you?

I'm half way tempted to say "oh please do not delete the posts" it just helps to give other people a clear impression of the type of members play in Deerhunter's alliance.

I only have to work half as hard when people like deer-hunter begin to post ;)

I'm getting roughly the same feeling ;)

lol, deerhunter based on what I saw and what was presented here it is kinda hard to deny SoL was in the process of killing the country.

I know your leadership did everything they could to make it look like you may have overreacted.

But then you just had to come on here to post and completely confirm the type of alliance SoL actually is :D

hmmm out making friends this morning?