Not calling any fowl play here, but how does someone have 4k acres and 50mil nw???

Lol

What wanking in public? What the. .. Does he not realize any good done, even if it wS the worlds greatest act of kindness for humanity, just gets trumped by you flogging your log in public...

An option, as well get farmed and farmed killed for just one grab... But exploring at 8acres per turn hardly seems worth it?

ThAnks for all the posts. I still feel as if my question wAsnt quiet answered.

I can get to 6k acres easy, mostly farms, small amount of res , ent and indi, and some oil fields so I don't have to buy so much, with max agri, some bus, res and warfare tech.

My question was what do I do then? I see all other guys around making huge jumps to 3, 4 and 5 mil. It doesn't help that were farmed a bit, well A fluff load, but how do I make the jump with bigger gains? So I just keep exploring building farms, buying military snd agri tech?

Landgrabbjng isn't really an ioti

A whole lot of Suss fluffing going on..

Okay so when you say tech agri to 200 do you mean 200k of agri tech points? Should I worry about business and military costs? as I noticed cash per turn can drop to negative per turn... And as I am selling food to buy military that's a big part of the expense.

Also my ceiling was that I was at 2.5mil nw, nd I wassnt gaining much networth. I'd make around 30k bushels per turn, then either explore at like 10 acres per turn and build more farms. I'd sell bushels And either buy military or tech.

My question was more About how do the countries around me jump from 2.5mil nw up to 10mil or 20 mil? And go from my 6k acres to 20k? When I can't see them making any grabs??

I prefer to build farms up to 2500, then destroy 2000 nd build labs and tech agri, sell bushels Nd build labs up to 4k labs, max out agri, bus, res, warfare, sdi, and then destroyabs and convert to farms... Then expire to 6 k and at that point I'm at about 2.6mil nw.. Do I just keep exploring, build farms then sell on market for military ?

Ouch...

That is a great cause. I hope their advertising budget is given to them otherwise seems like an awful lot of money that could of been given..

no no, the smaller the jar the better...

Hey leave the muppets outta this one.

all done now?

Ive got a basic idea of the game and can crank up to about 6000 acres by just exploring and building.

I have tried two strategies but i seem to hit the ceiling around 6000 acres and 2.5m nw. Part of the ceiling i think is that i run with a small clan an we get farmed.

But how do these other guys make big jumps?

And gain big acres without attacking?

1. I first strat was a commuy indy. I understand build industrial, and sell the excess to buy tech, oil and food right?

But i seem to hit a ceiling when my food requirements are HUGE, and oil needed to keep grabbing for land is HUGE too. And tech is so expensive it seems its really slow to gain any real advantage with tech. Can someone please give a basic outline of what i am doing wrong here? Do i go 5% spies and rest jets and forget defence?

2. Second strategy is demo farmer. This has been easier then the one above. Again i am all explore. About 180 construction sites. I think its about 60 buuldings per tern. i have 5% indy for spies. The rest are farms. Now this strat i first built labs and teched agriculture out to about 170% or 30,000 points. Then dropped them and built farms, Which again has worked great up until about 6000 acres and gaining about 35,000 bushles per turn. I am selling these, and buying military? But the gains are just not very big and others seem to cruise right past me?

What am i doing wrong? I really want to know how to develop a 20+ mil country. I don't want top 10 but i want a decent country size.

Anhy help is MUCH appreciated.

show me pics of your mums boobs and i'll show you some boobs!

lining yourself up Sov? And yes i'm starting to get my head around it all. Some alliance leaders have got on skype and lend a hand and offered some great pacts which is great.

And don't you worry others have already taken their place. :)

If anything i'll stick as a muppet! It's tough especially for some there is over 10 years of history here. The game is great, its addictive, but elements to it totally blow. I have also tried not to be offensive to anyone here. I also stuck this on AT as i first tried to PM and talk it out, but it's hard running a small alliance and with that a sense of responsibility for the other clan members who are asking why are we getting trashed all the time. I PM the alliance, meanwhile getting hammered by that same alliance at the same time. PM sent evo

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I dont want to give up! But i don't want to join another alliance either. And i don't want to play express!

Who would you farm if not us??

Of course you wouldn't, the game is the best it's ever been right?

if you can expand that search further the EVO numbers will stack up well above all of the others combined.

LOL are you seriously asking me how i know the game is in a decline? Do you not read your own message you sent me? See below...


" you know what happened when i started playing 11 years ago? there were 10,000 players and they were all farming my clan. what kind of deals did i get? temporary dnh status (usually 48hrs-72hrs). "


And now there are 700 odd. Thats a pretty crazy decline if you ask me.

Anyways if your just gonna keep justifying your actions as honorable then so be it, i guess this game is perfect, your actions were a positive addition in growing this game.

You keep defending your actions as if the game is in a strong growth period? And that you can afford to be tough on players saying "this is the way the game is, so if you don't like it leave.." Well that is fine, but people are leaving..

And that is such a joke, i asked you for a non hit pact and your first responce was....

"We have pacted out the server and we need land so deal with it. "

I am happy to post our PM's if you will continue to act like you have somehow doing us the favour?? LOL you must be living in some EE online ego'd dreamland. At the end of the day eveyrone can put a different spin on how their actions are ok, keep doing it. And keep watching the game decline, until you have a small bunch of players living in that dreamland wondering what happened when they start having to attack yourselves.

I just wanted to publicly say thanks you anoniem and the rest of EVO for making the decision as a new player to leave the game just a few weeks in. I'm not sure what the fate of the Muppets will be, however it appears they all will be leaving as well.

As you know we made the decision to start our own small alliance against all odds and recommendations to join a larger alliance. It was my personal preference to not do so, and if the only option in this game is to join a larger alliance or get farmed to death, then why have the ever so tempting in game option to 'create your own clan'. For future reference, i would seriously suggest you place a disclaimer warning to new players doing so, that if they want any hope of enjoying this game, to NOT create a clan and to either join a larger one or delete their country then and there.

I find it extremely cowardly the actions of evo from farming the absolute farming the fluff out of all of our members from day 1. We made our actions known on AT in the hope of cutting us a small break. We received a warm welcome from most alliances who had offered us pacts not to hit us.

Everyone talks about new players needed for the game, well guess what some new players are going to want to start their own clan. You have a fundamental issue here that unless it is solve this game will go nowhere. Actually it will go backwards.

I have been in contact via PM on these boards with anoniem from EVO. I thought about posting our chat's to show how we humbly had asked for a break, for them to stop hitting every single one of us 10 + times per day. I understood that every new alliance went through a period of geting farmed, but we couldn't hit back, not even close. I asked more out of decency to allow us some grace to grow... I will post just the last few hours of my country so you can see.

We are too small to even hit back, with the NW ratio being that of 10 times our size!!!!

2012-03-01 20:58:55 CM Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz 368B 12434 C
2012-03-01 17:14:49 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 49A (55A)
2012-03-01 17:14:23 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 108A (143A)
2012-03-01 17:13:37 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 109A (145A)
2012-03-01 17:12:06 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 98A (151A)
2012-03-01 17:12:01 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 100A (153A)
2012-03-01 17:11:50 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 139A (274A)
2012-03-01 17:11:30 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 143A (282A)
2012-03-01 17:11:08 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 161A (384A)
2012-03-01 17:11:01 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 166A (395A)
2012-03-01 17:10:55 SS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 171A (405A)
2012-02-29 14:44:28 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 171A (223A)
2012-02-29 14:44:11 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 164A (241A)
2012-02-29 14:43:38 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 273A (400A)
2012-02-29 14:43:19 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 243A (451A)
2012-02-29 14:43:14 PS The hooly blisful martir (#247) EVOqz Busty Muffin (#795) Muppets 318A (589A)


Ive also had a BUNCH of technology stolen from my country today.

I find it cowardly, and actually shameful. Whilst i was asking for a break from EVO they ramped up the attacks on our countries, and only today offer a UNAP after the biggest 24 hours in attacks... That is just poor.

Its just too much, if you do an eestats or boxcar search the numbers are just too much. Literally hundreds and hundreds of hits So i say well done EVO.

We are finished, and i am done with this game. I find it highly addictive and found myself logging in every few hours the last week.

This is without a doubt the poison that is fluffing up this game. I don't have any energy or patience left. I apologize if i have come across rude, but to say that i am angry is not um accurate, i guess i am more disappointed, than anything else.

Thanks for the promise of a great game, however if you are looking for a reason why this game is not growing look at EVO, FACT.

Worst don ever? Isn't that what the mafia do? They have big guns and rough people up? If they are just a warring alliance now there certainly doing a good job of netting at the same time. :P

@locutus yes of course. Were trying to theme the alliance as much as possible. Were obviously recruiting official positions now so those will be put up on the site when we finalise.

@sigma thanks for the headsup.

FYI top nw this set is a $100 paypal gift voucher. We have 4 other comps running and some non game related. :)

Were hoping to get some pacts for our first set or two.

Thanks for the positive messages guys. Will shoot out some pm's.

Thats right, You all probably know 'The Muppets' clan. When you log in, were that first tag you think of when you enter your 'war room'. We'll we want that to change.

We're looking for experienced and more noobs to become official EE Muppets! We're offering clan competitions and prizes for each set, including this one, so top Networth would be easy to win for any exp player. Plus an FUN filled forum environment!

We want leaders, playas, players, and new players. You wont ever be just a number, your a MUPPET!

Here is our boxcar site to apply:

http://www.boxcarhosting.com/...estart.php?clanID=Muppets


Love to ALL - The Muppets!

we are a bunch of picked on new players or noobs blah blah, who are hit daily by countries 10x our size. </whinge>

thanks for the post. :)

is that correct? best to tech first given the cost?

any update?

only option would be to send missles back but i am guessing i would then be killed so whats the point?

@spawn excuse my ignorance but im new. Who would i be joining?

And the hits just don't stop.

I guess my hope would be in all my comments, was that there are 700 + other countries who are in other alliances who are either closer in size or larger why not attack them? Surely there is no fun in hitting a country 10 times LESS your size who has NO ability to hit back?

Also given the price of tech at the moment it almost seems right for start up to build 100% labs and tech out levels first. Then switch over and buy the top up?

So as a rep farmer, do you seriously build 95% farms and 5% INDI set 100% on spies? And then obviously maintain high CS to have high BPT?

Do you tech first before buying military? So explore, build farms to sell and buy tech max out agri, bus and res, then farm to buy military. Then when you max out explore, atk with military to get more land and repeat?

thanks for the heads up. I'm going to stick it out a set under Muppets and stick it to the man! Hopefully the server can be kind?

but you simply can't compare as they are two totally different games. If i play multiplayer fps and i don't like the server, i get fragged 30 times in a row i just play another server just the same. It might be frustrating but i haven't gone backwards. The idea here is to grow your country, become bigger, and i can't be bothered to try and explain that, you get it. No comparison.

Obviously trying to bang against a brick wall here. It sounds like the people who play here want it to stay the same and don't see the problem because they are the problem, the poison. No offence intended, only its frustrating, but what do you do, quit i guess. Like most other new players.

But you also need to understand the game just isn't just the game. It's the players that run the game. The players control how the game is played out. If the same players restrict the games growth for new players, i would of thought it would be in everyone's interest to change and adapt for the good of the game? To not attack new players? For the good of the game, atk an existing alliance so that a new player could stand a chance of hanging around?

Even after this post, my country has been continually hit, if not more so.

Right from the start there was no "hey were gonna keep hitting you, perhaps you should join an bigger alliance" it was just play outright hit after hit.

I like the idea of the game, i think that it's text based adds to the story that is played out in game. At first i also didn't know why there wasn't 10's of thousands of players. But i've learnt within days why. Perhaps it's not just this issue, perhaps the server is over allied and there is just NOONE ELSE TO HIT?

But nonone enjoys that anyway right? Someone talked of bot countries that play out a certain script? I think that might work in offering land targets, and some excitment. Then new players could come in and learn the ropes, join existing alliances or create smaller ones and develop friendships in game which will keep players around for the long term, real long term growth?

Just my thoughts. Probably already discussed.

thanks for the responses, in particular Angel1 sort of explains the political side of the server. Cheers, I guess we need to try and establish a few things, cut some cheese and stick with it... and hopefully a war can break out so we become ignored somewhat.

appreciate the warm welcome. I have read over these forums alot before making a post, as you can see in most posts you quickly get ripped a new one, or flammed or trolled like crazy so rather then sound like a complete nub, bottom feeding is also a terminology in stock or currency trading. It's not a special 'secret' earth terminology.

@pain i also thank you for pointing out that this game is an alliance server, and in the join process it is recommended you join an a clan. It should also be encouraged to start smaller clans. It's nice to see that a small clan that has not bothered anyone is automatically put into a 'spam tag' by simply following the game rules.

I was only stating that as a new player, i joined, joined a small clan from an ingame message. Go attacked within a few days, and it hasn't stopped. I check the size of these countries to see if i can attack back and they are 6, 7, 8, or even 10 times my size.

My point was clearly to state its not healthy, as a new player it makes me want to quit just days into the game...

it sticks, i know you could probably all say its apart ofthe game, but i am a new player to this game. Yes i joined a very small alliance with only a few players ( the Muppets ) but i mean im getting hit at least 5 times a day by countries up to 8 times my size??

That isn't encouraging for new players is it? It's also a sad sign for the game that clearly there isn't anyone else to hit? Are the larger alliances all agreed to not hit each other that they are forced to hit peeny little countries to get land or even just to have some sort of excitement in a 'war' game? Where is the excitement when you know the defender cannot hit back?

It's just really frustrating, and i like the concept of the game. I also like to have a go and see if its something worth sticking around and spending what could be hours a week on the game. But at this point it doesn't appear that way when daily growth is hindered by constant bottom feeding i think its called?

I know you would probably say just join one of the larger alliances and just become another number? But where is the fun in that. Yes i agreed being apart of a large team would be great, but what about the spirit of the underdog? Or going out on your own. There is excited in that, and i think something needs to be done about it. It looks like this game has been around for years, but the numbers are in serious decline, and its the same people playing. But clearly there is some sign here, from a brand new player that this exact situation is forcing me to just quit and never return. Where as if this wasn't happening, my original thought was to give it a go, and perhaps get some of my 'non playing friends' to come and join. But i don't see the need now...