Cerbus is not exactlly alone. Altought i don`t share all of his ideeas, anti imigrant political parties are growing in numbers and % all over the EU. And that could lead to racism and ethnic mess...
You can`t really call "racist" people who don`t want imigrants. Or are against getting imigrants in their home land. Is like people calling USA racist for throwing thosands of mexicans over board, monthly.
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Alin:
Should be no news for anyone around.
However, i think USA should take at least 50% + 1 of those. The entire N africa, and Middle East is in chaos because forced democracy failed... the main pawn in that destabilization is USA, thus it must take it's share.
This makes the assumption that without US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Middle East would not be in chaos. That's a bold assumption to make. Afghanistan is a chaotic place in the best of circumstances and Taliban rule can hardly be called the best of circumstances. Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator in a country that was super-majority against him.
We can't rewind the clock and move forward making other decisions in an academic exercise with any sort of certainty. However, before Saddam Hussein was taken out, the Middle East was still ruled by a number of dictators that oppressed significantly parts of their population (for good reason or not). Before Saddam Hussein was removed, the Kurdish Peshmerga was still armed. Before the Iraq invasion, Libya still had a WMD program. Moving forward into an Arab Spring with these facts would have been even more chaotic than it is now. The Iraqi Kurds almost certainly would declare independence in that situation and then Turkey would likely blow into chaos.
Now USA intervention in Afghanistan dates since 1979 when CIA armed and financed the mujahideen to fight the russians in Afghanistan. It`s a small piece of the cold war but CIA actually created/financed Osamma Ben Laden and his fanatical group. Surelly CIA shooted at a pigeon and killed a crow, somewhere on the road things changed and now the entire world is talking about the greatest terrorist of all time, but never forget how it started... Is your own mess that bite back decades after. Surely if you ask Mrford, this never existed... all that exists were 5 planes coming out of nowwhere,hitting the WTC and etc.
Iraq is another story. Going for the WMDS, never finding WMDS and coming back with contracts of billions for oil extraction, reconstruction of Iraq. Also giving air to an already suffocated weapons industry ( you gotta use those weapons somewhere in order to make others ).
Somewere btw 1990 and 2015 you managed to totally destablize a large zone right in our neighbourhood. The overall mess in Middle East and North Africa is mainly your fault, with EU tacit agreement. Europe is slowly becoming a refugee camp for decades now... and things are swifting with speed. ISIS grows in numbers and there is a wave of imigrants crossing from North Africa and Middle East into Turkey,Greece,Serbia Macedonia and finally to the developed countries in UE. Among them 100% there are ISIS cells... and we all know their intentions.
The above being said, i care less if the entire people of Iraq were agains Saddam. Is their job to overthrow their dictator and change their country. I don`t care what Gadaffi was or done... i basically don`t care about Syria dictator or North Coreea. Hundred of millions died in order to overthrow regime after regime in this part of the world, thousands of revolution and riots happend in the last 2000 years in order to achive the current status. Is anyones duty to go rebel and overthrow a leader they don`t like or a political class that does nothing for them... not mine or yours.
But his crow dressed as a parrot ( "we did it for them, for democracy" ) does not stand anymore, when they were sucked out of their resources and Europe is now paying the bill...
