We just got tired of being hit. AoDT always seems eager to jump on us when they have the upper hand, now they don't and NBK is the big bad bully.

AoDT could have surrendered to us last set, and that would have lessened everyone's anger towards you, even to the point where we might not have warred you this set. But instead all we get are AoDT members saying they trounced NBK, calling us idiots. What did you expect maki?

Id say it was more a matter of pride that cost you, then anything else.

rpcottage, AoDT will jump us if we are weak at any moment, for any reason. And if they don't have the numbers themselves, they aren't afraid of gangbanging.

We only have one choice when someone is dedicated to screwing you over.

If AoDT went from 460 countries to less then 100 in a single set of us killing em with restarts, they got this coming :P

Maybe they will get deflected off of mars then come back to us?

A plane sized super fast treadmill is more likely to exist then a frictionless wheel!

I think Diz is onto something.

Id close it, as long as the people involve don't cheat again all is resolved, and doesn't need to be brought up every month.

True, but 70miles an hour is only like 110 km/h or so. At 150-180km/h it is a much more pronounced lurch when you go into neutral (or speed limiter kicks in, lol)

If it was limited to takeoff speed then correct most planes can still take off no problem.

But I did say from the beginning a theoretical treadmill that could go any speed that was required :P
That is what I thought you meant by treadmill.

Aye mrford, agreed that the wheel bearing force is minimal. But all the treadmill has to do is cause enough force in the opposite direction to stop the plan from reaching takeoff speed. If it isn't moving fast enough it cant take off.

So if the treadmill is moving backwards fast enough (and yes I agree it would have to be a stupid fast speed for that to happen, like 10,000 km/h) it would slow the plane down enough so between air friction, and the treadmill wheel bearing friction it is possible to stop a plane from taking off.

Also depends on the type of planes, some planes, especially smaller ones, need 90% of their power right away to begin taking off successfully, I can easily see a Cessna not being able to take off as wheel friction plays a far bigger part. Where as a 747 I agree, since it has so much overkill powerwise, it might be able to take off anyway, but I disagree that if the treadmill was moving 1bil km/h it would be able to. If for only the reason the plane wouldn't to go in a straight line, since it is likely the tires will melt, or at least have no friction in relation to the treadmill.

Now that I think about it, if the treadmill was moving fast enough, the bearing friction would cause the bearings to heat up, and when metal heats up it expands, bearings fit snugly together so even a moderate increase in heat will expand the bearings, then the friction will jump up exponentially as the wheels will be unable to move. (Again this is only for speeds of several thousand km/h +)

Almost correct mrford, if there was no friction. But there is friction, and even a small portion of the friction will cause the wheels give a negative force back. For example in a car if you are going say 150 km/h, then turn off your engine, or put it into neutral, the car lurches as if you slammed on the breaks, and slows down fairly fast. If there was enough friction pushing the wheels back, some of it, even a small portion of it is transfered to the plane.

And your rollerskate example, I would love to see someone try that on a super fast treadmill :P The force pushing you forwards may be independent of the speed of the treadmill, but the treadmill force pushing you backwards is still a force that needs to be compensated for if you wish to move forwards. If the force pushing you back is so high, that you can't move forwards, all you can do is just enough to compensate for it, then you don't move at all.

Do you not agree that a treadmill going against the direction you are trying to go will cause friction that will "push" you backwards?

I am considering a theoretical treadmill, since planes cant really go on a normal treadmill anyway. If the treadmill belt was going backwards fast enough, the friction in the wheels would provide a force going in the negative direction (Although the wheels will be turning ridiculously fast in order to get that magnitude of friction. Entirely possible with a treadmill that we can invent), and the force pulling it back will cancel out the force of the engines pushing the plane forwards.

Basically what I am saying, is that if the plane is not moving forwards in relation to the air, the plane will not fly.
If the treadmill doesn't move back fast enough to stop a plane from moving in relation to the air, the plane will eventually take off.

I believe my statement above is true, but it works with the way I thought the treadmill was supposed to work. With the way your treadmill works the plane will indeed take off.

omg, QM just hit me in the face with a brick of text, that is gonna be smarting for a while.

I thought you meant that a treadmill as a item which will stop the forward motion of an object.

If a treadmill was going fast enough backwards the friction in the wheel rotation would slow down the plane enough to stop it from going forwards as well.

Well assuming the treadmill was going backwards as fast as the plane was going forwards, so the plane was not moving. Then it wouldn't take off :P

Harriers move the air and create lift similar to a helicopter for a vertical takeoff, so it can go straight up no problem and once it is off the treadmill it can move forwards angling the engines until it reaches a speed where the winga create their own lift.

No, the airplane has to be moving forward in the air for the wing dynamics to create lift (pressure lower above wings then under.)

No matter how fast plane is moving in relation to ground, it needs to be moving in relation to the air.

Only if your eyes are closed and you are leaning over to pick something up.

Sandman what he said wasn't about just you, it was about all of AoDT making restarts.

And yes Sandman, you did try more then the rest of AoDT by far.

True gravity always does pull stuff towards the center of mass. But how can two balls be both falling in opposite directions and both have negative acceleration? As vector wise both directions cant be down.

So if you tossed a ball in the air where you are, and tossed a ball in the air in the exact opposite side of the earth. The balls will fall in relatively different directions in relation to each other. It being negative implies vector, but the fact that the 2 balls, fall in opposite directions implies it is not a vector. So the positive or negative value on gravity does not matter as it changes everywhere else relative to your current position.

if you give a moose a muffin, why does he also ask for a glass of milk?

Because he doesn't like to eat muffin's on their own.

I know Sandman, that you did try, and I also knew that you weren't donny, but you were an exception, most of your clan gave up and let you down, but you did the most you could do till the end, I will not deny that.

"It took nbk 3 days to start their CS! What happened to all your "great" killers? Oops, forgot, you had to load up your bot and save turns."

Lol, we had to make restarts as by odd coincidence aodt targetted all of our best killers countries and they were wiped out within 24 hours. And it takes 3 days to get enough turns to get outta protection and start hitting again.

9.81 m/s^2

A pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?

An African or European swallow?

If AoDT had had enough countries to even come close to what it started with, NBK woulda had far more kills. All AoDT did was start with a 5k missile FS, then stopped making restarts to deny kills. While killing our restarts.

Yes if AoDT wants to count this type of victory solely by kills, this is a victory for them.

But I, myself, cannot truly hand the victory card to anyone who had 85% of their countries dead, fighting someone who was still at full numbers, and aodt getting outkilled for a whole month.

Yeah, I guess they did win Ice. They won the battle. But since they lost a very large portion of their membership doing it, and had almost everyone in their clan with virtually no countries outta protection, and couldn't even play, I think they lost the war.

I know it is a fine difference, most people will just say it is the point of view, but NBK is in better condition by the end of set. AoDT was crippled by the end of set.

If you won a race, but broke your leg doing it, and could not race anymore, did you really win?

As for more hits and kills. By the time the original FS was over, aodt outnumbered us 2:1. Between country advantage and FS, we recovered from a 230+ country deficit, and worked our way up to a 3:1 against them.

In 77 days.

All lies, as most people know, I am too lazy to follow around bicyclists. As for sniffing their seats, it makes me feel happy inside.

Yes.

Also, do not open mail with white powder in it for the next 6 months or so.

That was a hickey from gambit sucking too hard.


Next!

Feel free to ask me any question you wish.

He said he got 11 texts from you that one night, lol.

If someone wanted to do something about it they could :P

But if a clan just wants to sit and net peacefully that isn't bothering anyone, and stays out of fights other then as police, no problem to me.

Yeah you did do a great job hitting warster, I am just glad you couldn't log on while you were at work, otherwise woulda been near impossible to kill your countries, lol.

Incorrect. I banned any NBK member from going above 500k, a point which I posted on our forums almost every other day, and in warchats. If we all stayed at 450k nw your entire clan only had 26 countries that could hit us. So we could destroy those then move up. Killing a solidly built country with restarts isn't easy, to we had to limit the countries that could hit us. And it worked as you can see from the AoDT tag.

I moved the limit up to 600k about a week before end of set after we killed all the active players who would typically hit us. Then I removed the limit completely.

So he is now bribing mods , lol.

Funny how you claim we lost cause you had more kills, yet neglect to mention you had 100 more countries and a 5k missile FS on us, and the bulk of your kills were easy kill restarts.

Kills matter less then who the last man standing is.

AoDT was not standing.

In fact they were running trying to gain NW faster then we could kill them - and failing.

Hey werent you deleted for cheating :P

Missed you Donny.

Better luck next time.

Attacker Defender Hits Kills HPK
aSyLuM NBK 40,759 216 189 (Country Stats)

Those were within the first couple days of the war. And at least half the kills being chem spams (5k missile FS). And you had a 100 country advantage while doing that.

oh and mdevol this is over the last month, that is half a set, still funny?

Attacker Defender Hits Kills HPK
aSyLuM NBK 59,883 210 285 (Country Stats)

Attacker Defender Hits Kills HPK
NBK aSyLuM 85,174 261 326 (Country Stats)

Problem solved I believe, let me know.

All dallas keeps saying is we are dumb and stupid and idiots, and only paying attention to the stats he wanted to pay attention to. You really need to chill and start talking sense.

People like you pollute the boards, I never once personally insulted you, and all you do is rant on about crap that isnt even true, then personally insult people just to show how tuff you are. Mr Internet tuff guy.

You just know its true and won't admit it, you guys gave up fighting and now you pay the price. You fellows are rank 6 in total countries outta protection down from rank 1. You keep saying you won cause you got more NW then us.. We killed double the NW you have right now, if you are talking about NW.

Must say though, you belong in AoDT Dallas.

Don't need a few weeks to see who is dead and who is living.

In this same thread we got people saying they made hundreds of countries and all died, and then we got more aodt members saying we suck cause they didn't lose any countries.

And it doesn't matter how many restarts you make now, you lost half your members and now 85% of your total country amount.

When your clan dies, you have lost. And that's all you guys are now.
We put you guys to shame in total NW killed. And your members gave up and many have left. And even if you tried you can beat us now. That should be obvious to everyone.

Well it is called kill priority targetting. And our targetting was based on who is actively hitting us, and hence a threat, and who had the possibility of hitting us (for example was withing our NW hit range). You had neither. And sure you may go on about how little we hit yah, but that is cause we dont care about you. You now have less then 5 people worth of countries that are outta prot. And pretty much all of them are the ones that don't fight back, the ones that do fight back are all dead.

Aye 460 ish more or less. Get your info right you newb Diz :P Rest of your point stands though, lol.

How can one be a clear winner if all your members are dead.

You fellows can be graveyard kings if you want. But NBK is among the living.

My opinion is 16 is fine. Yes there are times that I would like to run more, but also times where I am hard pressed to run 16. Doubling the country limit would make people sorta want your clanmates to run all 32, and a ton of people will not have time. They will feel bad about only helping a bit, and probably take a break cause they don't view themselves as important.

And as budda said, the more countries that you can run, the more the casual gamer suffers relatively. And I want more players.