does anyone have a real rep cash start? i remember celias from back when and got to making around 105-110k/turn at turn 99

anyone got something better? looking to do a test in ffa.

1st&2nd day

create country

36% taxrate, republic, 100% spyproduction

20cs

then build casherbuildings + a few farms to get food for your peeps

everytime youre running out of cash to build you add 20 cs

stop at turn 99 with a country looking fairly like this:
195 buildings of ent + 195 res
31 farms
64 cs

JJ if you can get to 105-110k by turn 99 then I don't think you have built enough CS's. If I'm wrong please tell me how. My cash start normally ends 99 turns with 72 CS and $30k per turn or in that range.

i disagree. as a rep you will have plenty of turns to build more cs. heres why

1. you cant get as fat as other countries because of the R, so you can afford to build cs later.
2. building cs when you make 2M a turn is a helluva lot better than cs at 30k a turn.
3. early turns, its all about maximing population which creates an exponential growth.


thats how i hit 33+m nw in express. but im looking to see if i can do even better on a cash start in a round where i see lots of techers and tech starting off at say, 2200 or cheaper.

also, with the cash start, my numbers are as follows. roughly.

340 ent
210 res
56 cs
+105k/turn

thats with no tech.

if say i got a couple hundred tech pts cheap or got a couple good explores, 125k@turn 99 is entirely possible. i think my best was around 121k.

That would be an impressive tech start JJ. It looks like to build that many buildings you build most of those 56 cs up front and then all of the ent/res later. In my experience it would be very hard to not constrain your population growth that way. With those buildings you could have 8k or so max population, but I would be hard pressed to have an actual population of more than 5k because it will only grow at 50 or so per turn. PCI can only grow so much per turn too...so there are two constraints there.

Message me with your secret if I am going wrong somewhere.

Turn 1 Tax: 34 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 2 Tax: 32 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 3 Tax: 30 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 4 Tax: 28 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 5 Tax: 27 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 6 Tax: 25 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 7 Tax: 24 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 8 Tax: 23 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 9 Tax: 22 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 10 Tax: 14 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 11 Tax: 12 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 12 Tax: 12 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 13 Tax: 19 BUILD 8 RES
Turn 14 Tax: 16 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 15 Tax: 13 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 16 Tax: 10 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 17 Tax: 7 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 18 Tax: 17 BUILD 9 RES
Turn 19 Tax: 15 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 20 Tax: 12 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 21 Tax: 9 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 22 Tax: 7 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 23 Tax: 15 BUILD 10 RES
Turn 24 Tax: 14 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 25 Tax: 13 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 26 Tax: 9 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 27 Tax: 7 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 28 Tax: 11 BUILD 5 BUS AND 6 RES
Turn 29 Tax: 29 EXPLORE
Turn 30 Tax: 25 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 31 Tax: 24 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 32 Tax: 23 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 33 Tax: 21 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 34 Tax: 21 BUILD 9 BUS AND 3 RES
Turn 35 Tax: 25 EXPLORE
Turn 36 Tax: 25 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 37 Tax: 25 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 38 Tax: 23 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 39 Tax: 22 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 40 Tax: 22 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 41 Tax: 22 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 42 Tax: 21 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 43 Tax: 20 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 44 Tax: 22 BUILD 9 BUS AND 5 RES
Turn 45 Tax: 28 EXPLORE
Turn 46 Tax: 28 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 47 Tax: 27 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 48 Tax: 26 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 49 Tax: 25 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 50 Tax: 23 BUILD 15 RES
Turn 51 Tax: 21 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 52 Tax: 21 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 53 Tax: 22 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 54 Tax: 21 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 55 Tax: 20 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 56 Tax: 19 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 57 Tax: 17 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 58 Tax: 14 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 59 Tax: 21 BUILD 1 BUS AND 16 RES
Turn 60 Tax: 19 EXPLORE
Turn 61 Tax: 18 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 62 Tax: 17 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 63 Tax: 16 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 64 Tax: 15 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 65 Tax: 14 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 66 Tax: 13 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 67 Tax: 12 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 68 Tax: 9 BUILD 1 CS
Turn 69 Tax: 10 BUILD 1 BUS AND 18 RES
Turn 70 Tax: 14 BUILD 10 BUS AND 9 RES
Turn 71 Tax: 18 BUILD 10 BUS AND 9 RES
Turn 72 Tax: 19 BUILD 9 BUS AND 10 RES
Turn 73 Tax: 20 BUILD 10 BUS AND 9 RES
Turn 74 Tax: 22 BUILD 6 BUS AND 13 RES
Turn 75 Tax: 21 EXPLORE
Turn 76 Tax: 25 BUILD 15 BUS AND 4 RES
Turn 77 Tax: 25 BUILD 17 BUS AND 2 RES
Turn 78 Tax: 25 EXPLORE
Turn 79 Tax: 28 BUILD 15 BUS AND 4 RES
Turn 80 Tax: 27 BUILD 16 BUS AND 3 RES
Turn 81 Tax: 27 EXPLORE
Turn 82 Tax: 29 BUILD 15 BUS AND 4 RES
Turn 83 Tax: 28 BUILD 17 BUS AND 2 RES
Turn 84 Tax: 28 EXPLORE
Turn 85 Tax: 30 BUILD 15 BUS AND 4 RES
Turn 86 Tax: 29 BUILD 16 BUS AND 3 RES
Turn 87 Tax: 28 EXPLORE
Turn 88 Tax: 30 BUILD 15 BUS AND 4 RES
Turn 89 Tax: 30 BUILD 12 BUS AND 7 RES
Turn 90 Tax: 29 BUILD 16 BUS AND 3 RES
Turn 91 Tax: 29 EXPLORE
Turn 92 Tax: 30 BUILD 15 BUS AND 4 RES
Turn 93 Tax: 30 BUILD 14 BUS AND 5 RES
Turn 94 Tax: 30 EXPLORE
Turn 95 Tax: 31 BUILD 14 BUS AND 5 RES
Turn 96 Tax: 30 BUILD 16 BUS AND 3 RES
Turn 97 Tax: 30 EXPLORE
Turn 98 Tax: 31 BUILD 14 BUS AND 5 RES
Turn 99 Tax: 29 BUILD 18 BUS AND 1 RES

56 cs, 203 res, 330 bus

Turn 100 Tax: 31 EXPLORE
Turn 101 Tax: 33 BUILD 8 BUS AND 11 RES
Turn 102 Tax: 34 BUILD 5 BUS AND 14 RES
Turn 103 Tax: 32 EXPLORE
Turn 104 Tax: 34 BUILD 18 BUS AND 1 RES
Turn 105 Tax: 34 BUILD 9 BUS AND 10 RES
Turn 106 Tax: 34 BUILD 8 BUS AND 11 RES
Turn 107 Tax: 33 EXPLORE
Turn 108 Tax: 34 BUILD 14 BUS AND 5 RES
Turn 109 Tax: 34 BUILD 12 BUS AND 7 RES
Turn 110 Tax: 33 EXPLORE

56 cs, 262 res, 404 bus, $120,220

That was the cash start I used back in the day.. No Tech. Think about 10k pop? Couldn't really be bothered to run starts like that anymore though..

so.. much.. tax.. changing.. :P

tax changes where?

what nitelL posted is what i basically did...

very close.

i have a copy of celias old cash start.

however the 3 fundamentals where i feel you could optimize more is

1. it was built for 100A. these days, you can have 120 or even 140A before you even play a turn.
2. it doesnt factor in tech. if you wait 2 days in express, like now, bus/res is at 2100$/pt. get a couple hundred tech pts and it will make a signficant difference.
3. doesnt take into fact that rep explore is now 48A instead of 40... huge difference.

what nitelL posted is what i basically did...

very close.

i have a copy of celias old cash start.

however the 3 fundamentals where i feel you could optimize more is

1. it was built for 100A. these days, you can have 120 or even 140A before you even play a turn.
2. it doesnt factor in tech. if you wait 2 days in express, like now, bus/res is at 2100$/pt. get a couple hundred tech pts and it will make a signficant difference.
3. doesnt take into fact that rep explore is now 48A instead of 40... huge difference.

I guess the idea is to make sure that you are getting max population growth per turn, but trying to keep the population close to max population. I tried it in alliance, and it seemed to work well. I end up making more per turn at 99, but I have less overall cash.

NitelL: holy fluff!

i made a casher spreadsheet years ago which i still use on occasion, it got similar numbers to what you've posted up there though; 60 CS >$100k/turn @ turn 99; you basically can trade CS for income or income for CS during the first 100 of course

qzjul i think the one i posted was what i got from you. i remember you sending me a copy bout a year ago

i was just going through some stuff on here and came across this thread im always looking for ways to improve....

why all the tax rate changes..does it really play that big of a role in how u start a casher out?
i do a few here or there but not as much as the strat that was posted on here states.

usually turn 1 at 70%
then bring it down to 35 over a few more turns.

keeping it lower bring in more population?

I remember running a cash start where you changed your tax rate about every single turn as well to come out of protection cashing at 100k a turn. It was a Rep start up.

yea lowering taxrate brings more pop and higher makes it leave.

using this strat; not so bad, hard to follow up on sometimes

its not meant for lazies.

At what point do I start buying food?

When you're hungry.

/hand on face

when you have excess cash in hand after building up after batchexplore.

Thnx, Marshal :)

not forgetting keeping techs at desired level.

Ya, thnx, did ok last set but fked up the start up when i didnt sell all goods in pvt at the start :(

yea it hurts starting up bit.

So is doing a casher start-up like what Nitell posted better than doing an indy start-up then converting?

And let's say I do that casher start-up...How do I prevent getting overly landfat? And at approx what acreage will I usually want to buy my tech?