Lords 1, 2 and 3 are doing a kill run together, is this not against the rules on this server?

Time Type Attacker Defender Result
2010-05-19 19:47:34 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 39B 513 C
2010-05-19 19:47:29 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 40B 527 C
2010-05-19 19:47:21 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 41B 542 C
2010-05-19 19:47:09 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 43B 558 C
2010-05-19 19:46:58 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 44B 574 C
2010-05-19 19:45:53 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-19 19:45:45 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 46B 605 C
2010-05-19 19:45:39 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 47B 624 C
2010-05-19 19:45:33 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 47B 642 C
2010-05-19 19:45:28 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 48B 662 C
2010-05-19 19:45:21 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 49B 682 C
2010-05-19 19:45:15 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 50B 702 C
2010-05-19 19:45:10 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 51B 723 C
2010-05-19 19:45:05 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 52B 744 C
2010-05-19 19:44:57 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 53B 765 C
2010-05-19 19:44:51 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 54B 787 C
2010-05-19 19:44:46 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-19 19:44:40 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 56B 814 C
2010-05-19 19:44:30 BR prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 57B 835 C
2010-05-19 19:40:43 CM prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 137B 4845 C
2010-05-19 12:46:06 CM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 143B 5569 C
2010-05-19 12:23:19 CM Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-19 12:23:03 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 38B 834 C
2010-05-19 12:23:02 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 39B 850 C
2010-05-19 12:23:00 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 39B 866 C
2010-05-19 12:22:59 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 40B 883 C
2010-05-19 12:22:57 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 40B 900 C
2010-05-19 12:22:55 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 41B 918 C
2010-05-19 12:22:54 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 41B 936 C
2010-05-19 12:22:50 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 41B 954 C
2010-05-19 12:22:49 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 43B 973 C
2010-05-19 12:22:47 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 43B 991 C
2010-05-19 12:22:45 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 43B 1011 C
2010-05-19 12:22:44 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 44B 1030 C
2010-05-19 12:22:42 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 44B 1051 C
2010-05-19 12:22:36 BR Dark Lord (#104) (Lords 2) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 45B 1071 C
2010-05-19 04:05:54 EM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 13353MU
2010-05-19 04:05:50 EM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 13390MU
2010-05-18 21:14:07 NM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 224A
2010-05-18 17:50:06 EM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 7172MU
2010-05-18 17:49:52 CM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 182B 8359 C
2010-05-18 17:27:54 EM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 13614MU
2010-05-18 17:27:41 NM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 560A
2010-05-18 17:27:38 NM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 560A
2010-05-18 17:27:27 CM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 322B 12988 C
2010-05-18 11:58:43 EM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 8348MU
2010-05-18 04:54:51 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 48B 1097 C
2010-05-18 04:53:52 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 49B 1118 C
2010-05-18 04:53:35 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-18 04:52:54 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 50B 1140 C
2010-05-18 04:52:41 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 50B 1162 C
2010-05-18 04:46:40 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 51B 1185 C
2010-05-18 04:46:25 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 52B 1208 C
2010-05-18 04:46:02 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 52B 1231 C
2010-05-18 04:45:25 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 54B 1255 C
2010-05-18 04:45:01 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 54B 1279 C
2010-05-18 04:44:02 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 55B 1304 C
2010-05-18 04:43:49 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 56B 1329 C
2010-05-18 04:43:05 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 57B 1355 C
2010-05-18 04:42:51 NM Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 304A
2010-05-18 04:42:39 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 61B 1381 C
2010-05-18 04:42:14 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 62B 1408 C
2010-05-18 04:41:35 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-18 03:07:59 AB TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 141B
2010-05-18 03:06:35 AB TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-18 03:06:20 AB TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-18 01:15:58 CM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 237B 11072 C
2010-05-17 23:06:45 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 63B 1636 C
2010-05-17 23:05:47 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 64B 1627 C
2010-05-17 23:05:45 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Blazed (#165) (Lords3) 202B
2010-05-17 23:05:10 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 65B 1634 C
2010-05-17 23:03:59 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 65B 1618 C
2010-05-17 23:03:26 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-17 23:03:16 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-17 23:02:29 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 67B 1554 C
2010-05-17 23:01:59 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 69B 1584 C
2010-05-17 23:01:39 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 69B 1614 C
2010-05-17 23:01:13 BR Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 70B 1646 C
2010-05-17 22:55:57 SS Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-17 22:55:28 EM Blazed (#165) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-17 03:59:20 AB TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-17 03:56:11 AB TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH
2010-05-17 03:55:48 AB TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 190B
2010-05-17 00:21:36 CM dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 267B 8775 C
2010-05-16 21:47:42 EM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 16484MU
2010-05-16 21:47:30 CM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 256B 12607 C
2010-05-16 17:05:28 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 163B
2010-05-16 17:05:24 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 169B
2010-05-16 17:04:46 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 174B
2010-05-16 17:04:15 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 179B
2010-05-16 17:03:02 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 187B
2010-05-16 17:02:28 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 194B
2010-05-16 17:01:48 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 200B
2010-05-16 03:09:45 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) DH
2010-05-16 03:09:43 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 138B
2010-05-16 03:09:40 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 140B
2010-05-16 03:09:35 AB dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) 143B
2010-05-16 03:09:26 NM TAKEDA (#14) (Lords3) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 443A
2010-05-14 17:46:57 PS dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) 1164A (1710A)
2010-05-14 15:02:02 PS prollyindaclub (#108) (Lords1) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 742A (1090A)
2010-05-13 17:46:37 PS dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) Beacon of Hope (#17) (Lords 2) 322A (580A)
2010-05-13 12:09:22 SS dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) eddieistan (#45) (xNEx) 352A (601A)
2010-05-13 00:44:23 PS Dreamer (#41) (CTU24) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) 586A (840A)
2010-05-12 22:46:22 PS dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) OnlyWayIsToPlayHigh (#90) (CTU24) 269A (508A)
2010-05-12 22:44:04 PS dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) KSFlivesforever (#103) (Lords1) 261A (432A)
2010-05-11 16:27:39 SS It wasnt me (#23) (xNEx) dagaard keep (#39) (Unleash) DH

are you dead yet? or was it a false rush?

no im not dead yet....

there trying though LOL,

Thunder this goes to prove what a bunch of cheats LAE are, couldnt take care of me on your own so you had to call in the rest of the clan!!! very poor sportsmanship. And hence why LAE can never be trusted good work in proving that. This server is a 5 man per team server way to abuse it, shows a very big lack of skill on your part.

We fought to prevent cross-tag retalling. There's still cross tag killing going on.

RD is cross-retalling this set.

ok well, you guys see the proof of All lords members trying to organize a kill run. So whats going to be done?

I know quite a few people who were anti-cross retalling this/last set are planning on playing with RD teams next set

I hope they will sway everyone towards not cross retalling or else they'll be pretty hypocritical and it'll be a major blow for this server in the short term.

Ok Pang can you put me in touch with the people you know Because I would like to report Lords, Who would have expected thunder the leader Of LAE to be honest, and act with dignity??? For the Record thunder is Blazed(#165)
for anyone looking to hit on the leader of LAE.

i doubt we would accept any cross-retals from RD at all.

I'd imagine if people who were part of the anti-cross retal crusade started playing with RD and they were cross-retalling, alot of us other non-cross retallers would just consider not playing at all.

RD, your cowardly cross retaling policy isnt what this server is about. Go back to alliance or ffa. You think you can come in here and play by your own special set of rules? your just ruining the game.
Lords opperates seperatly here, except in the case of jiff.
Jiff, you brought it on yourself, just let it go already.
Different servers are played in different ways. Express in my opinion is a free for all, dont bring that crap in here.

Cowardly? Are you kidding me H. Look at your grabbing news if you're looking for cowardly.
You play your way, we play ours. We don't need you to tell us the rules. They are stated right on the login page:

This is the Team server
Its current reset number is: 5
Multiple countries are NOT allowed
Clans are allowed
Turns are given every 15 minutes
Countries are allowed a maximum of 160 (120) turns
There are currently 199 countries on this server
The two bil bug is in effect on this server.
Standing orders are enabled on this server.
The current government version is 1
The current ruleset version is 1

Don't be a douche next time ;)

wait the ruleset is version 1?

DAMNIT!

1) Crimson, enable me to view pages on our boxcar?
2) throw something at cobalt for not just doing this when he accepted me
3) lets not be douches our self, i'll teach you how to build a retal capable country, maybe cobalt, too, if he'll listen (though i doubt it would ever take)

pangaea is right, after all. i was awfully against it when archaic wanted to do it, i can't really just change my opinion :(

Cross-killing/retalling is NOT against the rules of the server, although it is against commonly accepted practice. It's not nice/in the spirit of the server, but it's not illegal.

If you don't like it, hit 'em back.

that is my usual method of disobedience NOW:p

i doubt i'll be hitting RD for a week or so anyway, and by then prob stocking, as there are juicier targets atm:p

look at my news what. tyr techer, not usually my style, but had to start off a bit lower.

Then i bought up for a retal. and later hit a seemingly defenceless clan. They couldent retal, so you stepped in.

jiff, maybe don't bring something across servers and you won't get your country killed? let that marinate a little.

also, i don't play FFA, but I love how you use this to "prove" LaE are cheats.

LOVE it. :)

have fun restarting.

For the record, Blazed is in no way Thunder. And not all of us are LaE.

*disappears into her own world again*

Funny how you say blazed isnt thunder as he has been answearing as such.... I wonder why that is

i hope he hasn't be answearing too crudely, delicate ears might be offended. we all know thunder is the daintiest of personages.

LOL W! I so agree! :)

Blaming Thunder for answearing. The thought of it. Blah.

Well you aliyah said blazed wasnt thunder but yet he is answearing in game msgs as so

Takeda, missled me for no good reason, you say dont bring it accross servers but NONE of the Lords clans are any better because In a game meant for 5 player teams You need to band together and use 15 get real, why do you think the rules state 5 member teams??? Its meant so you can get 5 people together have a seperate identity from what you would have on the normal alliance or ffa server. If you were supposed to have 15 wouldnt they have just made the limit 15??? anyone who has multiple clans IE: Lords1,Lords2,Lords3.... You guys drive new members away, especially for new people to the game. I have read several of your postings demeaning people with 2 man Tags and farming them... Good Job guys they retal on you, you guys just do kill runs with 15. get a clue and stop playing like a clan in a game meant for 5 player teams.

Who cares, it causes drama. Drama is good for servers. Gives people a reason to play.

After the anti-retal coalition, half the people lost interest in playing. Kinda funny that they were fighting for no cross-retalling, then once they won, they abandoned the server.

Let the people who are dedicated to the server play as they want. If people want to fight over it, fight over it then.

If they want to play that way FFA is open and so is Alliance why do we need another alliance server? because thats all this is turning into

Well I will still never accept a cross team retal. We will see what happens in the long run same as before.

Thats my point lets play a 5 man team server, not a 15 man one.

If teams can join each other in killruns, why can't they retal for each other?
I don't see the difference. Either you fight together, or you do nothing at all.

This is just another temper tramp by a bunch of players who want to institute their own unwritten rules. If you are strict against cross-retalling, you shouldn't play with multiple tags who help each other in killruns. Pure hypocricy.

let's fight :)

Well Ronnie I would have to agree with you there. I have been looking through the lists and everyone is in a multi tag team. there has to be a way to sub divided this server from being just another aliance

Ronnie I think the key point here is to try and make it possible for the teams to fairly compete and grow at the same rate. If you only retal within your own teams then noone has an advantage when trying to grow bigger and its a pretty fair playing field so to speak. If you start cross team retalling you completely ruin the concept of the server and then you might as well not have teams of 5 at all.

Preferably I would have wanted to see no cross tag killing either but I can see that as a very hard thing to stop. Its just the same as having alliances pacted and assisting in wars, this will probably happen no matter what.

I still don't see the difference between cross-retalling, and cross-killing.
Either way you have a mutual enemy, and hit it together.

If a team has an enemy which they can't kill, they ask their other tags to join. it's apparently accepted. So why can't the other team make a retal? Both ways, it's violence.

So, give me a clear reason why different teams can work together in killing, but not work together in retalling and I might think it over. And don't come up with saying it's a hard thing to stop, after all you are also making all your pacts yourself.
Make a stance. Start with yourself and go without pacts. Fight as a team, not as a bunch of cowards who pact half the server to avoid getting hit and call in everyone immediately when your teams gets into a conflict, and whine when their own unwritten rules are not followed by everyone.

Dare to fight 5 on 5?

I think this server would be Great with just 5 on 5, Yes I might have made A mistake, with taking revenge from one server to another. but in doing so and getting killed off I found something within the team server which could be improved on.

First off, this is the team server, not an alliance server. Your tag IS your team, a team does NOT have multiple tags, and is limited to five players.

In my opinion neither is accepted, but cross-tag killings are usually let slide more, as the countries getting killed normally justify it by their actions.

Cross-tag killing is more like "bringing in allies" in the alliance server, you have friendly tags who help you to take out countries that deserve detah. On the other hand, you don't have the phenomenon of bringing in allies to do your retals for you.

This is why wars have been fought over cross-tag retalling, as it erases the disctinction between the 5-man teams this server is supposed to have.

We'll see where cross-killing goes.

Edit: Changed cross-retalling to cross-killing in final sentence

Yep as Machwell says.

Plus I might add that since I started playing here we have had ZERO pacts. There has been no need for them and we have managed just fine without it.

Btw ViLSE, when are we gonna install qwtf and have a go? :p

DING post # 1000 on this board.

Had to do it.

This is just another temper tramp by a bunch of players who want to institute their own unwritten rules. If you are strict against cross-retalling, you shouldn't play with multiple tags who help each other in killruns. Pure hypocricy.

let's fight :)


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Im against Cross TAG retalling and cross Tag kill runs, why do you guys need 20 of your friends in a server with so few people? why dont we all just make one big Tag and not attack anyone see who gets the biggest, thats all this is turning into.... rags got 20+ members lords is 15+ why is the question I ask hell even RD has 2 tags

Machwell: Been a while since I did any QWTF!
But damn that was a great game back in the good old days!! :)
I was even pretty good at it for a while. Cant remember where you used to play though.

Heh, I played in Chosen (along with LordChaos/Muh, Svensk, Mhael and a bunch of other good guys I don't remember), and I remember DBD from the qwtf days. Had some good matches vs you. Other clans I remember are Nude, Cute and Vallasherra :p

My nick back then was JailBait (lol - I didn't know what it meant, I saw it some racing game I don't remember the name of when I was like 13)

Ooh yeah I remember JailBait. You were a pretty good sniper I seem to recall. :)

We are still using the same logotype for DBD here as we did back in the QWTF days.

See here:
http://www.boxcarhosting.net/...iancestart.php?clanID=DBD

I seriously didnt like Vallasherra though, those Finish guys did nothing other than cheat. I still remember when we were about to win and then they DDOS attacked the server and crashed it so the round didnt finish. LOL, those were the days!!

Haha yeah they were sketchy.

I played sniper, soldier and demoman. I still reminisch about those days, my first stint of online gaming ;)

Are there any other old qwtf'ers in DBD?


Oh, and sorry for thread hijack, but I feel I've spoken my piece.

PS. Jiff, the tags that are against cross-retalling are generally against cross-killing as well, but the wars that have been fought have been over cross-retalling.

Edit: And seriously, when you start attacking Lords for something they did to you in another server I can't really say I feel sorry for you when they cross-kill you.

One of the other guys used to play QWTF as well but not in DBD clan then. The rest are picked up from the earth community.

At the moment Im the only one left that played QWTF. But I still keep in touch with a few of the other guys. Most of us in DBD were students at the same University back then.

I mainly played Sniper early on in my QWTF career and then later mainly Demoman. Both good fun! :)

And regarding the cross killing/retalling again Mach says exactly what I would have. :)

So why fight over cross-retalling, while breaking a similar rule (cross-killing) at the same time?

To simplify it for dorks: if your own amateur soccer(football) team plays in a league and are down by a goal, your national star player could step in and tie the game for you.
Probably unacceptable?
Instead, your solution is not to field 11 players, but call in more local players, probably ending up with 55 players against 11 until tying up the game.
Does this sound more acceptable? Sure....

Either it's strict 5 vs 5, otherwise you should allow every possible interaction. Now your posts are a contradiction in terminis.

By enforcing your own personal selfmade rules, you force out other people who strictly follow the game-fules. As long as

Ronnie, we don't disagree with you on that, and would prefer everything to be 5v5, but as it is we've fought harder against cross-tag retalling than cross-tag killing as it is a more "defining feature" of how relations between tags are and affect us more in the normal state of play, due to countries getting cross-killed usually has done something to deserve a cross-kill.

Your analogy with football could just as easily apply to the alliance server and wars there.

I don't get if the "star player" is a reference to cross-tag-retals or not though.

the star player is someone you know, maybe from the same club, but not eligible to play in your team (cross-retal).
Just like it's not allowed to field more than 11 players.

Still, I don't see any reason to allow cross-killing, and not allow cross-retalling. In fact, the cross-retalling is only done within clans. Clans are clearly allowed in the game rules.
The cross-killing can be done outside clans. I don't see that explicitely approved.

If you want to go with the core rules, you should limit teamwork to work only within clans. Cross-killing is against every core rule. Cross-retalling isn't.

I still haven't heard a good reason to go with crosskilling, while the lesser evil is not accepted.

Lesser or greater evil depends on how you look at it.

I think your interpretation of "clans are allowed" is flawed. The clans referred to are the 5 man tags, not a coalition of tags acting as a clan.

The way MadeMen look at it is that each tag is it's own clan, and we treat each as a separate entity. I support the notion that everything is 5v5, both retals and killings, but again, what we have fought wars over are cross-tag retalling as it is a bigger concern, at least for us, as a defining factor in tag interaction.

Cross-tag killing can still be seen as calling in allies in times of war, whereas cross-tag retalling does not have an analogy in the alliance server.

How are you going to fight cross-tag killing without doing it yourself though?

i don't agree with cross killing either.

Are these guys here arguing for cross-killing? weird.

you playing teams AxA? i returned this set to teams.

i would like to see those posts..

the only one throwing a temper tantrum was jiff.