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did they really just kill Glenn?

THAT would be crazy

Executive producer said he would be back in some form. But they have been doing a done of time line shifting, so that doesn't mean much.

what... like flashbacks? that'd be annoying

Due to the "hey dumbass" recall, I highly doubt it. He's supposed to get his head smashed in later tho lol.. in the comic anyway.

i think we're past the point of return from where the series deviates from the comic. They cherry pick stuff... but is it even close?

flashback, walker, survive, wolf weapon

who knows. but he will be on screen again.

what im afraid of is if they kill glenn... they're gonna spend the rest of the fkn season mourning it.

They have bigger problems right now.

how did rick hurt his hand?
was ot when he attacked the group of walkers and one had a machete in their clavicle?
and knife wound or bite wound?

Looks like once his first knife broke he sliced it on the walker you are talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqI9Z70RiHg

Rick cut his hand on the walker - I have a feeling we'll be seeing a one-handed Rick soon

I would not be surprised if Glenn is dead, though I'm a little surprised at how it happened.

In the comics Nicholas redeems himself, and Glenn dies later at the hands of arguably the most bad-ass villain in the comic series. I'm really interested to see what happens next.

i seriously doubt they take ricks hand. all amputations from bites have had to me immediately, and rick has been rolling with it for a while. that was a governor narrative, and serves little purpose in the show that relies on intense fight scenes.

not to mention that rick isnt the first person to be cut, and neither of the previous 2 had any issues.

more than likely the cut hand will play a part in making ricks escape from his current predicament harder.

they cut off hershals hand because it happened so soon.. if rick *was* bitten, his jogging killed him.
also, if he knew he was dead, why did he fight off the humans as he did?
if he beat/killed them, why didnt the walkers closing in make him decide to close the rv door?
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so many questions, and next week will be back in alexandria, so no answers :(

I don't think Rick was bitten, but an open cut with zombie blood covering it? I could see the writers make an argument that a slower infection could be in play - we already know everyone is "infected," so it's more a question of how much more infected blood/saliva actually causes you to die/turn. Quite honestly that has always been one of my issues with this universe in general - you're already infected, but the smallest scratch from a zombie increases the infection to where it will kill you... it seems a little odd. But whatever, it's science fiction, and I suppose there are some deadly diseases that actually do exist and could have a similar effect.

Anyways, some of what Rick does in the comics with one hand is pretty epic, so I like the idea in general. With that said, certain ideas (using the stump as a weapon) have already been done better on the show by Michael Rooker's portrayal of Merle (a non-existent comic book character). If they do go that route with Rick, I hope they find some new and creative things to show the audience.

Both sasha and Abraham have been cut with zombie blood knives. Nothing happened to them.

And a zombie bite or scratch causes an infection, a regular infection, that progresses rapidly anf kills you like a natural untreated infection would. Re: the fever burning through you. Dying make you a zombie, not the bite. Think of it as venom, not a virus. Or like the bacteria in a kimono dragon bite.

A venom created by a virus that everyone already has? If so, why is a small bite (blood/saliva) more potent than blood to blood contact? Haha, it doesn't matter, it's just always bugged me a bit.

So other things that have me curious and I consider worth discussing:

a) When my gf and I watched this episode together, she turned to me, clearly somewhat emotional, and said "why is this show so depressing?" I have never thought of the show as being overly depressing, but that's also partially due to my knowledge of the comics. The main difference imo, is that in the comics Rick encounters other groups who are neither good or bad, just... out there, somewhat like Rick's group. You never know what role a group he stumbles across will play in the long term (unless they are complete fluffs from day 1). There are still lots of bad people, but there are plenty of good (or should I say "neutral") people as well. Is the show falling into a mentality of "join us or die?"

b) How long do you think the show will remain in Alexandria? I'm a believer that Enid knows more than she has shared with the group (she's either a wolf or a wolf supporter). I'm also a believer that not all of the wolves are dead. The wolves in the show (the group is entirely different in the comics, so I'm throwing most of that out) are pretty large... they killed Noah's parent's town which was 30+ miles away from Alexandria. We witnessed a dozen or so of them get kill, but how many more are potentially out there? What will be the catalyst to keep the show moving forward, and eventually push the group out of Alexandria?

I said think of it as a venom, not that it is a venom. I feel like you arnt reading what I'm saying.

If you get bit by a kimono dragon, you will get a bad infection. If you get its blood on you, you wont. Bacteria isn't in the blood. It is in the mouth and on the fingers. The virus that is in everyone is what turns you. A bite just accelerates your death through infection that there is no cure for.

baseball bat wielding dude will probably appear by the end of the season... would be hilarious if glenn makes it thrugh all this just to have his head senseless smashed in for nothing.

I'm half a bottle of bourbon in right now, I'll be the first to admit my reading comprehension skills are fluff.

Let's move on from the infection thing, since I don't think it matters all that much and it's not as interesting as the rest of the story... what do you think about my other points?!

I am secretly hoping they do this... so, so, so very much.

"Baseball bat wielding dude" (cough Negan cough) is also one of the most well written antagonists in a comic series that I have ever read. The governer was so well done by Morrissey on the show that it will be a huge challenge to top him, but I hope the producers can get the casting right and find someone who can skirt the constant struggle of intelligence/rage/insanity that Negan portrays in the comics.

i dont see it as join us or doe, i see it as fluff with us and die. you only really join the close group if trust is earned, and that happens slowly. usually saving someones life, sometimes multiple times.

main characters need to be killed off on a regular basis in shows like this. it keeps the pretense that no one is save alive. that adds suspense and drama into the show incredibly effectively.

i dont know about Alexandria. i have not read the comics. i have actually never read a comic in my life. so i know nothing about the "future" but i think the wolves attack was a plot device further ramming home ricks point. That and it trimmed the character list, probably making way for some fresh blood soon. fluff if i know, and i usually dont speculate too much. all im looking at now is that massive horde coming their way. if they dont do something alexandria wont last another episode. and next sundays is 90 minutes.

my focus in that last episode was all the symmetry. Rick has been driving this take no chances point, and morgan has been preaching all life is precious. it is a sub plot, one that ties nicely into the preexisting glen and nick relationship. glen kept taking and giving chances because he is a good person, and it got the better of him. rick won that one. i dont think glen killed anyone the entire show. he wanted to take out the governor, but never got to.

but it is a 180 degree change from early seasons rick, where he was the one giving all the second chances. rick is now shane. and morgan is 180 degrees different from when we last saw him, and i have a feeling we will find out what happened to him.

You are correct in that Glenn is one of the few characters in the show (and in the comics) that has never killed a living human being. I also agree that there was a tie in between Rick's attitude "make it back with or without these people" and Glenn "I've got to save everyone" - which ended up reinforcing Rick's viewpoint of the world.

Where I take issue: I hear the Rick and Shane comparison a lot, but are they really the same? Shane wounded an innocent man, a man who was part of their group looking for medicine for another group member, to save his own skin. Rick, as awful as he has become, has never gone that far. The furthest he's gone was banishing Carol, and that was due to her own inhumanity toward other members of the group. When the chips were down, we saw what kind of person Shane was. When Rick has been in similar situations, we have seen him fight to the end. The Governer, Terminus, the Claimers... he's been in plenty of dire situations but has never once thought about turning on his "family" - he'd rather die fighting. I think there is still a shred of humanity left in Rick, where I think Shane's was completely gone.

just because rick isnt 100% shane, doesnt mean he isnt more shane than old rick now. im pretty sure you understand the difference.

My last question of the night:

Will anyone else be slightly annoyed if Glenn survives? When I saw Glenn on top of the container, surrounded by walkers, a little voice in the back of my head went off "oh, here we go again." I was assuming something would happen to distract the zombies and give him an exit.

We've seen Glenn trapped by Governer (saved by Rick), trapped in a tunnel with hoards of zombies (saved by Abraham/Rosita/Maggie), trapped in a glass door surrounded by zombies (saved by Eugene... RIP Noah)

In a show that constantly punishes it's characters for making poor decisions, why is Glenn so often spared? As much as I'd love to see some stories with Glenn play out from the comics, am I in the minority at this point who somewhat feels like Glenn has it coming to him?

I think the difference in those characters is relevant, and why Rick still has a chance at redemption, where Shane was a lost cause, and needed to go...

you are arguing a different point... or more accurately you are taking my point to the extreme.

So let's talk about the more compelling point - would you be more content with the show (not necessarily "happy" since losing a main character is never a good feeling) if Glenn lives, or dies?

I'm curious how non-comic book readers are responding to the events so far this season.

why, again, are we not sexting?

i think it would suck if glen died because he is one of my favorite characters, but as i said in an earlier post, main characters dying are an important part of the appeal of the show.

Except Daryl. If they kill him, I'll stop watching entirely.

Glenn is not dead. Those walkers were eating Nicholas. Glenn might scoot under the dumpster. Or, Jesus (aka Paul Monroe) might come out of nowhere and kick plenitudes of walker ass and save him. Either way, I'm wondering if they're going to have Jesus be related to Deanna and kin. There's no mention of it in the comics, but it would be an interesting twist, as would the Wolf leader turning out to be Davidson (still waiting on that).

Remember how they use to cover themselves in blood and guts? No worries.

Or michon would drag around zombies..
No worries

Not a genuine fan of the lets show that something works..but not incorporate it more often when needed. Like for example when in the pet store. The 2 walkers were in that back room. Cover yourselves!!


Also. Ultimately, i think that may be what saves glen. Being covered in Nicholas' blood.

being covered in human blood would be a really bad thing. it is walker blood that hides you. human blood attracts them. remember shane cutting his hand in the bus to attract them to the door so he could stab them in the dome?

Can we expand on episode 4 here, or should we make a new thread?

Holy fluff, I love this show.