Who wins in a pre-empted FS?

Sanct/Evo/Monsters

One side beat SoF, the other lost to SOL... SoF is seen as better than SOL (especially at 100 members). So why is this even being asked?

because hes asking SoF vs SOL, for the 900th time

any side with ICN is fighting handicapped :P

lol digi

Well things maybe different if Lcn and Icn actually had a pre empted FS. They actually were simply FS'ed which put them at a disadvantage from the start. Sol is good but let's not forget they had a Hugh breaker advantage after the FS

SOL is ranked too high!!!! ;)

LCN/ICN/Imag had a number advantage, and could have won the war quite frankly. I think ICN gave up at the point that they started to win, and LCN started attacking restarts :(

Notorious, I didn't ask that question! :)

that is an unrealistic fight.

it would more likely be collab/evo/lcn/imag vs some force

Anoniem did you mean LCN or ICN? or both

I like Collab and Evo, so thats not a very realistic force either.

ICN may not be a " war machine " yes, and we lost big on the FS. No one was prepped for war, and some just want to net and don't care about anything else. There are about 20 or so of us hitting and most have put out over 500 hits already. not huge numbers, but not laying down either. If ICN were to war prep from the start like sof / sol or even imag, you would see a different ICN.

And if cows had wings, you could order express beef.

i like beef

Basically Zip is saying ICN will be warring next set to prove themselves :P

i meant LCN

this is ME talking - i love to war, but the clan not so much

and i don't hate sol, so no sucideing going on here - hugging i'm sure

/troll

WAR

*wars reckless*

Honestly.


LCN/Imag/ICN had a chance to win this hands down. There was a point in this war where 70% of SOLs prime breakers were techers and had to convert. At that point TNW of LCN/Imag/ICN was crawling way way up to ours and so were the amount of kills. They had a 40 cvountry advantage at that point and had all the opportunity they just didn't take the opportunity.


They had me my war staff at our drawing boards 24/7 trying to strategically decide on what to do to keep the advantage. But after 2 days of gaining ground LCN/Imag/ICN started to kill restarts and low production low military countries. While having the breakers (big dict cashers and famers) to actually take down our converting but also high production breakers.


SOL winning this war has nothing to do with us dishing out the FS. It was like 18 - 20ish kills on ICN/LCN then Imag FSed us with the imag FS in their side had 40 country advantage. So deduct our 20 earlier kills..... still 20 countries advantage (they killed 10 - 11ish in their CS and Imags FS).


They was not decided on who FSed. It was decided on who had the best target selection, walling, restart rate and activity, like a good war should be.


And to be honest LCN/Imag/ICN should be congratulated on a good war performance despite being hit they gave us a good run for our money and had to put in A LOT of effort to regain our advantage after we lost it.

So gratz guys :-)

I agree with Makinso.

What also effected the out come of the war was the fact that some potential breakers on the Imag/ICN/LCN side decided not to participate in the war and attempt to continue netting. If they did, the war would have turned out differently than it did.

I thought I was a dead man after i made some critical mistakes with my country.

I do think it was a fun war all in all though.

Would of? You guys are reasonably intelligent people.

It's "would HAVE" for fluffS sake.

Holy fluff take an English class!

/carry on

LCN can War very well.

Neva!!1!!!111

Mistake corrected :-)

i think it will be close

so is this happening?

...

I can't forsee Monsters fighting in such a war. It was great with Collab/Evo,

but LCN/ICN/Imag are good friends too!

Now a netting war would work!

:D

imag, lcn, and icn are good friends....?

I think Servant means they are all friends with monsters...


And Ozzite would win this war

Meh, at the high point of the war we were pretty on even footing at one point until some nubs decided on their own that hitting whatever targets out of official warchats they could get at with GS and then stopping midkill was a good way to spend their turns.

Then when WC started, we didn't have enough turns to kill the SOL breakers...

SOL seems to be ignoring the fact that iMag was also in tech phase at the time we jumped into the war. Personally I was 3 days away from completing my tech phase and had to forcibly burn my insufficient stock to immediately convert to war build. I had to burn over a billion on breaking a target that ended up walling and losing most of my bought up military, breaking another target and burning most of my cash except 100m in the first wc I attended. But that's war. Lulz. SOL being epic wallers helped decide who held the strategic advantage.

When can I get back to netting? :P

So was SoL.

ECM was fully war prepped, and knew the time and place of the fight well in advance. If SOL had given Imag/LCN/ICN that kind of notice, their war might have been different, but as it is, you're comparing apples and oranges. There is no doubt in my mind that SoF would've slaughtered ECM if we had the first strike on unprepared opponents.

I think Sof would have won if they had 20 more active countries in that conflict.

IMO, SoF could have come a lot closer to winning -- even with the numbers disadvantage -- if they would have used a strategy that was tailored to fighting Sanct, Evo and Monsters rather than coming in with the same style of war they fought vs NA a round or two earlier.

That being said, I agree with the comments by ponderer etc -- it's not a fair comparison, because one war was pre-arranged and one wasn't. The fact that ICN, LCN and iMag didn't have any joint pre-planning done is a MAJOR detriment to them. If they had the same kind of arrangement ECM and SoF had, I expect ILI would have probably come out on top, perhaps for the same reasons ECM did.

I'm pretty sure ICN does not even have a war dept right now. The only reason that any ICN are hitting is because the dozen or so that actually care to fight have been able to participate in the LCN war-room with mostly iMag WC leadership.

Expecting some grand strategic resurgence from a loose coalition of tags that had very minimal interaction prior to the war is a reach Maki. You picked the targets that promised the highest body count and you got what you wanted, an great FS and an easy war win where you can claim "but look, we were outnumbered!". We've seen this before - you can skip to the credits.

SoF TTT

100% True.

yea i think comparing SoF vs ECM and SOL vs ILI is an apples to oranges comparison.

Its like comparing the Persian Empire to the Roman Empire. Different times, different situations, different lots of things.

Which is really something that is necessary for a coalition effort to succeed. Even with plenty of time to plan, the road was bumpy the entire way for ECM. You really need to be teamed up with people with like minds and/or friends, or have a LOT of time to work out strategies and action plans if fluff goes south.

40 extra countries and a large TNW advantage only mean something when the opposing alliance is not SOL.

LOL. Gotta love AT..

Even to the extremely biased observer (read: 95% of AT) there aren't too many examples of a better war effort than this one. And ICN, please, you didn't want to war, you weren't prepared to fight waa waa. Maybe you should have rethought the 12+ hits you made on SOL when we weren't touching you. It's fine to hit us for our land, just expect to be levelled if you get a bit too greedy.

Coming from the most biased dude ever lol

And by the way, you missed the point as usual.

ECM had time to prep.
ILI did not.

ECM had time to work on communication and plans.
ILI did not.

ECM had a mutual FS.
ILI did not.


I can find a way to make them bulletized if this cliff notes version is still too difficult...

Is this idiot a leader in ICN? Maybe the cause of their ineptness is right there. Where am I saying anything counter to what you just posted you brainaic?

What I am saying is - SOLs effort to destroy LCN/IMAG and well, yes, I guess we better include ICN (even though they basically told the other two to jump in a lake through their inactivity) is hard to match. It was a very good performance. A week after this magical war-altering FS, you dummies still had a huge membership, TNW and land advantange.

SOL's walling, target selection and activity were excellent leading to my above statement:

"there aren't too many examples of a better war effort than this one"

The reason you were bad is because we kicked your ass. You can't blame us for your membership and leadership packing it in after a fortnight of fighting.