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Slagpit

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Mar 28th 2011, 6:21:13

As the servers reset, the base private market bushel selling price will decrease from $32 to $29.

A standard government will maximum military tech will be able to sell bushels on the private market for $35. A demo will maximum military tech will be able to sell bushels for $36.

Dates the change goes into effect by server:
Free For All:immediately
Express:immediately
Tournament:next round (round that begins Apr ~3rd)
Alliance:next round (round that begins Apr 6th)
Team:next round (round that begins Apr ~12th)
Primary:next round (round that begins May ~4th)

Edited By: qzjul on Jul 26th 2014, 23:22:18
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Dukey

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Mar 28th 2011, 6:59:02

nice :)

bart

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:04:51

interesting change. Did the farmers start to make too much money?

trainboy

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:06:20

Dislike!

nicholas

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:09:48

lol....no good for private market destocking

allbymyself87

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:10:32

*dislike* :'(

jedioda

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:26:04

I think it now make the farmer a sure non winning stat

Forgotten

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:37:01

Thanks for killig the farmer strat. I guess I will have to play something else now.
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Jiman

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:40:58

If you like a game that is too easy play tic tac toe. Glad that smart changes are being made to balance things out.

I am sure if this doesnt work out it will be adjusted.

Duff

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:41:42

yep bang goes the farmer strat.

iNouda

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Mar 28th 2011, 7:45:56

I want my $38 private bushel prices back. Death to Slag! :(

Sifos

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Mar 28th 2011, 8:02:33

Slaaagpit killed the radio-farm, Slaaagpit killed the radio-farm.
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Sifos

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Mar 28th 2011, 8:03:13

I like changes though, the only shadowy remnants of my dark past as an Utopia player :P
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geos

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Mar 28th 2011, 8:10:56

Dislike.

Ozzite

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Mar 28th 2011, 8:44:07

Great change, guys. PM sell price has been a litttle too high after the mil tech change, this should be a nice middle ground i think
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Rob

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Mar 28th 2011, 8:49:42

Slagpit,

I would like to understand the reason behind the change, it would be great if you could share the thinking behind it.

I am impartial with the change for the record.

Lowering the pm prices would mean more food on the public market driving prices down to 1 or 2 dollars above the baseline. I would expect bushels to sell around 36 or 37 now.

JamesBond007

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Mar 28th 2011, 12:20:18

this will make farmer is not winning strat anymore.

gwagers

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Mar 28th 2011, 13:53:41

Good thing I learned how to play casher a few sets back...
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Helmet

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Mar 28th 2011, 14:46:42

I'm not sure why this happened. I didn't think farmer was too strong.

LeftyHa8er

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Mar 28th 2011, 14:55:23

RIP farmers

Lobo

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Mar 28th 2011, 15:08:21

bunch of big babies....
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Mr Lemon Chiffon

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Mar 28th 2011, 15:09:33

so much for a Fascist farmer.
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Steeps

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Mar 28th 2011, 15:10:48

I don't see how this is only killing farmers, surely it affects anyone stocking bushels due to the destock cash in being nearly 10% lower?

Detmer

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Mar 28th 2011, 15:13:04

This is a very good change. I like it a lot.

Link

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Mar 28th 2011, 16:00:08

if it aint broke... LEAVE IT THA fluff ALONE! :(


please stop changing things like this.. adding new stuff is awesome.. breaking things that people have done for over a decade is pretty fluffty
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synoder

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Mar 28th 2011, 16:04:50

doesn't this just bring it back down to what it was before the military tech change?

Kill4Free

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Mar 28th 2011, 16:12:43

Originally posted by Forgotten:
Thanks for killig the farmer strat. I guess I will have to play something else now.


Dont think it killed the farmer strat at all, on almost all severs, the price of food on market was a fair bit higher then private market.

The only time this will actually apply is at the start of the set, before people get techup, and the end of the set, where people destock.

It killed stocking by about 10%, but didn't really affect farmers too much themselves.
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highrock

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Mar 28th 2011, 17:15:19

How does this kill the farmer strat? Price floor for bushels will still be $4 higher than it was two resets ago.
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spawn

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Mar 28th 2011, 18:06:18

w00t!

you guys play casher, i'll play farmer and become filthy rich! muhaha
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aponic

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Mar 28th 2011, 18:18:04

Good change.
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VIPx

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Mar 28th 2011, 18:38:55

Yes... farmer is dead... just play casher ;)

qzjul

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Mar 28th 2011, 19:05:40

Slag and I talked this over a fair bit for a while, it should help rebalance a few things nicely.
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Link

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Mar 28th 2011, 19:14:13

i have been doing the same farmer start-up for years.. now i gotta completley re-vamp my startup....
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synoder

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Mar 28th 2011, 19:32:19

hmm thats true, since the floor is lower without tech than it used to be without tech then farmer startups will need to be altered.

Marshal

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Mar 28th 2011, 19:50:33

Originally posted by Kill4Free:

Dont think it killed the farmer strat at all, on almost all severs, the price of food on market was a fair bit higher then private market.


at team bushels were at some point at 35 at public few days, could been lower too.
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synoder

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Mar 28th 2011, 19:52:29

35? nobody had mil tech or what?

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Mar 28th 2011, 21:12:38

Originally posted by qzjul:
Slag and I talked this over a fair bit for a while, it should help rebalance a few things nicely.


Balance what?
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Marshal

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Mar 28th 2011, 22:13:44

Originally posted by synoder:
35? nobody had mil tech or what?


don't ask me, i just saw it at boxcar market stats.
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Drinks

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Mar 28th 2011, 22:49:37

This hurts.

Means cashers will be producing the same amount while buying cheaper bushels. And has there not already been 101 arguements already saying that cashers out do farmers.

Furthermore if you are 'balancing it' then it means it is now even harder to beat previous records. For example it will be harder to knock people out of the Best 3 records because they have a 10% high bushel sale price at destock.
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KeSSie

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Mar 29th 2011, 6:18:14

Boo..hiss!

I dislike this change..a lot.

Now that I have spoken; change it back! :-P
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jaabaa

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Mar 29th 2011, 12:18:34

I havent seen any Facists in the #1 spot at the end of a set, or even 1 in the TOP 10....Im sure you have good reasons though.

geos

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Mar 29th 2011, 12:40:25

Farmers must be dominating every set and need to be reined in.

Salt of the earth, they are.

Link

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Mar 29th 2011, 16:00:34

you guys should probably have things like this voted on lol.. or at least get some feed back before ya just do it...

worst change ever
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Mar 29th 2011, 16:18:41

Originally posted by Link:
you guys should probably have things like this voted on lol.. or at least get some feed back before ya just do it...

worst change ever


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Originally posted by highrock:
How does this kill the farmer strat? Price floor for bushels will still be $4 higher than it was two resets ago.


highrock - stop trying to reason with complainers. It never works.

qzjul

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Mar 29th 2011, 18:26:59

Originally posted by Drinks:
Means cashers will be producing the same amount while buying cheaper bushels. And has there not already been 101 arguements already saying that cashers out do farmers.


(sorry to single you out, but I need to respond to some of this...)

I don't think you understand how the bushel price affects strategies and balances between strategies; the peak should be a similar price, or higher, which causes cashers to stock at the same or higher; then at the end the destock will be lower (in other words, it should bring back a little more of a bushel peak). This actually hurts non-farmers who stock mid-set more than anybody else. Late stocking people still stock & destock at a ratio of 36(+1-2)/36 stock/destock which is approximately the same as 39(+1-2)/39 stock/destock. Sure it will lower overall networth's a little, by like 7%. But a good player can squeeze that out in a good set surely?

This also has the effect of making it so demos that actually want to get the $36 price point have to get a fluff-ton of military tech, as you need closer to the max military tech point to get $36; makes demo-public destock less trivial.
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Steeps

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Mar 29th 2011, 18:27:23

And that change was to bring farmers back in, still needed time to be properly tested.

qzjul

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Mar 29th 2011, 18:28:45

Originally posted by Link:
breaking things that people have done for over a decade is pretty fluffty


Also... lol... do you really *really* want to do the same thing *EVERY SET* for a decade? Wouldn't it be more fun to have to mix it up a little bit?
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Rockman

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Mar 29th 2011, 18:38:21

Originally posted by Link:
if it aint broke... LEAVE IT THA fluff ALONE! :(


please stop changing things like this.. adding new stuff is awesome.. breaking things that people have done for over a decade is pretty fluffty


In the last decade, we've had food prices start out at $42 on the private market, and then get dropped to $24 on the private market, before being changed to $32 on the private market, and then recently military tech increasing food sale on the private market was added, and now they're changing food price to $29 to compensate for the military tech change.

If you've been doing the same thing for a decade, then apparently you don't pay attention to any changes that are made in the game.

Helmet

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Mar 29th 2011, 21:21:27

I don't think the weaker startup is a big issue, but I didn't think farmer was that strong and it will likely be quite a bit weaker now. I wouldn't be surprised if it peaks higher, but overall it'll probably going end up substantially worse. You'd have to compare the gain from the higher peak, against the losses from the lower bottom, which can't be calculated until after the fact.

I almost wonder if this was more about cashers than it was about farmers? Cashers seem pretty weak to me, lowering food would make them stronger. When food hits 35 or 36 a rep casher, not even hitting the cash button is going to make more than a farmer and that wasn't the case before.

Since everyone is getting bored, why not decrease oil consumption and increase the private market sell price to 145? That would give us another viable strategy to play.

Helmet

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Mar 29th 2011, 21:22:18

145 with full military tech.