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Nov 28th 2012, 5:12:12

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Marco

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Nov 28th 2012, 5:14:29

Example.

Inside a ruler that has 11 notches
Labeled end to end, every notch has a value.
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5

Now you don't count 0, so where does the value of the zero increment go?

Marco

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Nov 28th 2012, 5:18:30

I'm sure someones thought of this before me, btw I'm terrible at explaining this. I it once to a.math teacher way back when. I was told to stop wasting his time. Anyone know what I'm talking about.

iScode

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Nov 28th 2012, 5:19:15

math is not wrong!

not according to Pantera

lets see who knows what im talking about :P

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crest23

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Nov 28th 2012, 5:29:34

Simple, zero has a value and yes, you do count it. Imagine your ruler is labeled,.... 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13. Do you not count the 8?

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BILL_DANGER

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Nov 28th 2012, 5:37:17

PANTERA USED MATH TO CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF STEPS TO NOWHERE?

iScode

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Nov 28th 2012, 5:41:26

nope, sorry, i fluffed up my post, ill redo it.

"Math is not wrong!

not according to Pantera

lets see who knows what im talking about :P"

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Nov 28th 2012, 6:30:36

marco ...... how dare you start this thread.... :P

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Nov 28th 2012, 6:52:35

Its simple. 0 is considered a number, aka an integer, which has a value of zero. It's not the same as a non-existent value. 0 is one less than 1, and one more than –1. But on your ruler, the 0 notch is just a place holder for you to include in counting the notches.

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Magellaan

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Nov 28th 2012, 6:54:55

*counts zero*

there you go.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Syko_Killa

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Nov 28th 2012, 7:00:50

0 is really just a base number with no real value until a digit of value is placed in front of the zero

Do as I say, not as I do.

Dibs Ludicrous

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Nov 28th 2012, 8:19:52

Originally posted by Marco:

How can you count Zero when it has no value?

just get the computer to do it for you. why you trying to count losers for anyway? much easier to just count the winners.

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BILL_DANGER

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Nov 28th 2012, 8:35:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-bpbsmPnPQ

Erian

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Nov 28th 2012, 9:23:30

Of course zero has a value! It's just like other places just waiting to be filled... You wouldn't want to be without them, now would you? :D

Bikerman

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Nov 28th 2012, 11:55:29

0 doesn't exists, it's an illusion brought on by the lack of alcohol

NukEvil

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Nov 28th 2012, 13:06:58

Originally posted by Syko_Killa:

0 is really just a base number with no real value until a digit of value is placed in front of the zero

Or behind it. *wink wink*

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iTarl

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Nov 28th 2012, 15:40:42

o is the shape a female places her lips, as she prepares to give head

ZIP

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Nov 28th 2012, 15:56:06

you dirty old man tarl !!

i love it

fluff your 300 Spartans fool - i have 32 of the biggest fluffed mother fluffers made of titanium !!
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Dissidenticn

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Dec 2nd 2012, 19:39:41

I think where people get confused is they usually associate numbers with money. If you have 0 dollars, you have no money and therefore 0 is of no value. The negative integers get a bad rap because that usually means you own money... so even those numbers have a value.

In the world of math, 0 has a value. You must count 0 on your ruler just as much as you must count -1. If you simply go from -1 to +1, the space between the two is not 1... it's 2! Therefore, you must count 0.

anoniem

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Dec 2nd 2012, 20:05:00

Originally posted by Dissidenticn:

If you simply go from -1 to +1, the space between the two is not 1... it's 2! Therefore, you must count 0.

well, by marco's logic above. there is no space between -1 and 1
=> -1=1

lol

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crest23

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Dec 2nd 2012, 22:23:28

Marco went to the same school archaic went to to learn his math.

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Marco

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Dec 2nd 2012, 23:06:50

Well i was quite high when i posted this, however....

-1 + 0=?
1 - 0=?

1-2=-1
-1+2=1

So why does 0 only have a value, sometimes

Magellaan

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Dec 2nd 2012, 23:17:12

-1 + 0 = -1
1 - 0 = 1

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Marco

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Dec 2nd 2012, 23:17:58

Thanks captain obvious

Magellaan

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Dec 2nd 2012, 23:21:50

No problem.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

justtaint

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Dec 3rd 2012, 1:17:23

* grumbles

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EL Kronos

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Dec 3rd 2012, 1:23:33

A more important question:

How can you count iScode when he has no value?

EL Kronos

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Dec 3rd 2012, 1:26:40

Originally posted by galleri:

marco ...... how dare you start this thread.... :P

At least he did not start the whole, "0.9 = 1" thread?

anoniem

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Dec 3rd 2012, 2:21:57

"If a is any integer, then 0 + a = a + 0 = a. Zero is called the identity element of addition because adding it to any integer returns the same integer."

Just like multiplication by the multiplicative identity 1 on any integer returns the same integer.

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anoniem

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Dec 3rd 2012, 2:22:52

and...

1-2=1-2+0=-1+0=-1

>_>

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bertz

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Dec 3rd 2012, 5:25:49

AFAIK 0 is not a counting number. BUT, it is an Integer.

Because the set of Integers are { ... -2, -1, 0, 1 , 2 ...}
and counting numbers only include { 1, 2, 3, ...}

BUT then again, standards do change and I see in Wolfram that some mathematicians do include Zero as counting numbers.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CountingNumber.html

Edited By: bertz on Dec 3rd 2012, 5:34:18
See Original Post

Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 3rd 2012, 7:32:38

Originally posted by EL Kronos:

A more important question:

How can you count iScode when he has no value?

we're supposed to count iScode? i thought we were only required to count the sheep...

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Dec 3rd 2012, 12:25:08

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EL Kronos

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Dec 4th 2012, 1:42:32

Originally posted by Dibs Ludicrous:

Originally posted by EL Kronos:

A more important question:

How can you count iScode when he has no value?

we're supposed to count iScode? i thought we were only required to count the sheep...

I thought iScode was a sheep?

Vic

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Dec 4th 2012, 1:57:37

Originally posted by Marco:

Example.

Inside a ruler that has 11 notches
Labeled end to end, every notch has a value.
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5

Now you don't count 0, so where does the value of the zero increment go?

marco, maybe i'm missing something but you do indeed count zero in this instance.
if you didn't, the distance from -1 to 1 would be 1. it isn't. it is 2.

so zero is counted.

Skulls of Dominion

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Dec 4th 2012, 2:01:01

if u are talking in absolutes then 0 can be counted say going from -3 to 3 or going the other way as well. but that's absolutes

Skulls of Dominion

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Dec 4th 2012, 2:04:02

then again I'm just posting for the bonus lol

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Dec 4th 2012, 2:21:04

Place holders!

You have a pumpkin.

Somebody takes it away from you.

How many pumpkins do you have?

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LittleItaly

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Dec 4th 2012, 2:36:07

0 has a value of zero. Its value is not of nothingness.

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agusjo

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Dec 4th 2012, 3:43:24

LittleItaly is a Math genious.

Marco

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Dec 4th 2012, 4:11:08

Originally posted by Vic:

Originally posted by Marco:

Example.

Inside a ruler that has 11 notches
Labeled end to end, every notch has a value.
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5

Now you don't count 0, so where does the value of the zero increment go?

marco, maybe i'm missing something but you do indeed count zero in this instance.

if you didn't, the distance from -1 to 1 would be 1. it isn't. it is 2.

so zero is counted.

so then

1-0=0
-1+0=0 loO

EL Kronos

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Dec 4th 2012, 4:34:42

I think the problem stems from the fact that no one has put these concepts into terms that Earthers can understand. Allow me to try.

2 = ELKronos
1 = Patience
0 = Boltar
-1 = Mickster

The problem is you are trying to equate Boltar with Patience, when Boltar does not equal Patience. You need to think of these symbols in terms of their relative value to what they mean in the real world. Boltar means nothing, where as Patience is an entire unit above Boltar, and Mickster is a lack of a unit of Patience.

So, with that said, Patience - Patience = Boltar. Mickster + Patience = Boltar. Patience - ELKronos = Mickster. Mickster + ELKronos = Patience.

The distance between Patience and Mickster is ELKronos. It has nothing to do with Boltar = Patience, but rather nothingness (Boltar) becomes Patience with a unit increase, and it becomes Mickster with a decrease of Patience.

Does this clarify things for you?

Mickster269

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Dec 4th 2012, 5:21:09

Word problems suck.

Skulls of Dominion

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Dec 4th 2012, 5:45:31

its simple when talking in absolutes it means the absolutes distance from what ever number from 0. so the absolute value of -3 would be 3. so now take the absolute distance from -3 two 3 that would be 6. so ya in absolutes you would count 0. either then that its just a place older.

Skulls of Dominion

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Dec 4th 2012, 5:47:06

but I do like kronos answer to :)

Vic

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Dec 4th 2012, 5:48:24

Originally posted by Marco:

Originally posted by Vic:

Originally posted by Marco:

Example.

Inside a ruler that has 11 notches
Labeled end to end, every notch has a value.
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5

Now you don't count 0, so where does the value of the zero increment go?

marco, maybe i'm missing something but you do indeed count zero in this instance.

if you didn't, the distance from -1 to 1 would be 1. it isn't. it is 2.

so zero is counted.

so then

1-0=0
-1+0=0 loO

...
1-0 =1 .
regarding (-1 + 0 )... let's go back to your example of a ruler.

the DISTANCE from -1 to 0 is in no way, 0, but rather, 1.
if we start with -1, and we add a value of zero, we remain at -1.

you are saying x - 0 = 0, y + 0 = 0.
x, y are different numbers.
= does not compute.

EL Kronos

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Dec 4th 2012, 6:04:46

Originally posted by Skulls of Dominion:

but I do like kronos answer to :)

Because it is fact!

Originally posted by Mickster269:

Word problems suck.

See! Mickster is lacking Patience!