So I was going through my email account and found this:
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old laf/sof pact from 2008. (Received from Pang). LaF was hardcore in their pact terms:
200% land:land is the jist :p

**FDP** No attacks of any type shall be exchanged for any reason.
-Retaliation Policy-
-200% Land:Land On all grabs
-1:1 On all DHs (or reps if the damage is extreme or late in the set)
-3:1 On all specials (or reps if the damage is extreme or late in the set)
-Compounding 2:1 or 200% Land:Land On Retal on Retal (Whichever is more)
-1:1 On Declaration of War
-Standard reps is 50 tanks per acre * the number of weeks into the set * by land.
-200% Land:Land negates any lost production payable, as future production will be more. Special cases may still be discussed between representatives from both alliances.
-Unlimited Retaliations and/or Killing of the offending country may be discussed anytime after the 4th attack of any kind in a 24 hour period.
-72 hour retal period which begins after FRs make contact on anymore then two attacks.
-During times of war reps may be discussed in place of retals
- Alliances are responsible for a countries actions while untagged if that country was tagged in said alliance within 72 hours prior to the first attack.
-Alliances are responsible for compensation of lost production/future stockpile generation in the event of an occurred loss greater than 2000 acres/buildings per individual country after the 1100th turn generated. Damages are to be repaid in the form of bushels and cash only. This clause only applies to countries at or exceeding 13,000 acres.
- Formula’s for repaying lost production/future stock:
-Rep-Cashers: Stocking until the 26th or 27th of any set(depending on when set ends). 170% Bus/Res Tech, and 87% Military tech. Cash all turns, and a total of 300 CS(So, if land is 20k, you minus 300 and then divide by two to figure out the specific amount of ent/res zones). Multiply each day remaining in the set by 56 turns, using current market price for bushel rate. Use a set in stone military for each country, say: 200k spies, 200k troops, 1mil turrets, 200k tanks. So basically: 170% bus/res tech, 300 CS, 87% Military tech, 200k spies/troops/tanks 1mil turrets, all turns cashed, 40 dollar bushel price, Stocking until 26th or 27th.
-Tyr-Farmers: 216% Agri tech, 87% Military tech, same Military #'s, 150% Bus/Res tech, cash all turns, stock until 26th or 27th. Bushel price is current market price.
-Tyr-Techers: Tech all turns, 165% bus/res tech, 85% Military tech, TPT is 1/4 of Total Land - 300. Decreasing Tech value, starting at 3k the First week of 2nd month, 2500 2nd, 2k 3rd, and 1500 for the last week of the set. Bushel price at current market value, and military same as above.
- Compensation will be made in the form of reps rather than retals in cases where attacks are made on a country within a 6 hour period of joining the allied tag.
-Policing, War and Tag announcements made on Earth Council Talk will be an acceptable form of communication for such matters. Signing alliances will update databases accordingly when such posts are made, and are responsible for checking for such announcements regularily.
-All retals must be in the form of Planned Strikes (PS) unless otherwise agreed upon by FR's from both alliances


Seriously..

Pact with TIE Sept 2007:
uNAP

150% land:land with a minimum of 2:1 retals.
1:1 def held
Discussion for spy ops and missiles.
Responsible for detaggers for 72 hours
Reps in war
FA contact for tagchanges
FA contact for policing, any policing action hits must be cleared by an FA
or they will be considered land grabs.
Pact is Unbreakable.
No FA shall be send to any clan that is at war with either one of
Should SoF declare war on one of the following clans, TIE has the option to
void the pact. IX, LaF, SoL, NBK, and SX

much simpler...

s/was/is

i think the pact terms are worse now :P i think we have lawyers on retainer for them :\

that forum activation crap was removed when i returned to earth.

too bad that gmail doesn't have older sent emails than ~3 years old.


this I still have, mickster's ("mr security") email got hacked (and some other mods).

Mick Preston

19.4.2010

http://www.cruzeirodosul.ac.gov.br/home.php

I said same thing years ago when I read Rival's pact terms (should be saved still) with Netters Anonymous and later when I dealed with LaF.

yeah. I used that hotmail account exclusively for earth back in the day (use it for other things now). I have funny conversations leaked to me as well in there revolving around the various power blocks at the time.

I remember when skitch got ahold of patience's password somehow and deleted all of AT.

of all the tags that sof had dp's with under my watch, laf was the hardest to deal with when it came to errant members and reps.. although there were some sets where I just got annoyed at some of the membership and starting putting in really punishing retal and rep clauses like 2X land:land and stuff which eventually solved the problem. At least for the unauthorized ones:P

I got bit annoyed to IX when CWG came back, no matter to whom I talked no pact, it didn't matter since IX had warplans (didn't say that directly but between lines).

No problems with LaF (except Ely+Sol vs LaF-war :P) and they even once gave Rogue (yes I was Rogue's FA for a few sets when Gally was "busy" elsewhere) 2 weeks dnh and after that 2 weeks upped it for unap.

Rival's pact-terms:

Rival - Friends Pact

Friend Status Agreement between RIVAL and _______

Pact is based upon Friendship, communication and trust.

Friends pact is not the equivilent of any Defensive Pact. There is zero obligation on the Friend's behalf to enter any
conflict when asked. This does NOT make it an LDP. If you refer to it as an LDP it is null and void on the spot.

With that said, communication between Friends is a necessity. If a Friend is being gangbanged, then they should communicate
with us (or vice versa) if any help is potentially going to be needed.

Where coalition conflicts are concerned, Friends should respect each others views and desires to remain out of conflicts
that have the possibility to tie up their alliance in wars for following resets.

If there is a war planned then communicate it with us well in advance if you think support will be needed! To call on a
Friend at the last moment without communicating with them is treating them as a lackey; something we feel is disrespectful
and won't appreciate. We will treat you with the same respect in communicating well in advance if help may be needed.

Where alleged two-stepping occurs, contact should be made before any action is taken. If there is valid concern of
two-stepping--which is to be defined as two people with malicious intent cooperating to steal land covertly over another
party--then in such cases, Friends will hold their members responsible. In these cases, land:land+buildings+rebuilding costs
will be requested/given. If a member is merely watching the news and catches a jetter and farms it, then it is not malicious
and it is not disrespectful. Friends agree to thoroughly investigate any two-stepping incidents.



Terms of Agreement

- No hits shall be exchanged for any reason. Friends Pact supersedes any and all agreements with other clans, including all
variations of Defense Pacts (FDP/LDP/ADP etc) and all variations of Offensive Pacts (FOP/LOP/AOP etc) and as such, it is
unbreakable.
- 2:1 retals minimum up to 150% land:land on topfeeds (contact necessary for 150% to be approved)
- 1:1 Retals on Def helds
- where clear-cut mistaken grabs are made, reps or alternative countries to provide 2:1 retals minimum up to 150% land:land
should be negotiated, in the interests of not screwing over friends.
- Minimum 2 retals up to 200% land:land for hits during the last four weeks of the reset. Rebuilding costs, income lost &
any stockpile lost will also be paid by the offending alliance. - Retals for double hits (meaning 2 hits in 24 hours) will
be 2:1 for first and 3:1 for second.
- Retals for triple hits (meaning 3 hits in 24 hours) will be 2:1 for first and 3:1 for second and 4:1 for third.
- Only SS/PS allowed for retals
- Use of special attacks (GS, BR, AB, missiles, harmful spy ops) must be discussed between alliances first to determine
the damage. A GS does not warrant retals, but may warrant reps. ABs, BRs, missiles warrant retals and rebuilding cost.
Harmful ops depends on the case and circumstance
- In the case of detaggers who suicide or topfeed, the original alliance shall be responsible for the country for 96 hours
following the detag. Alliances must be responsible for whoever they let in to their alliance and whoever they let grow in
their alliance.
- 24 hours notice must be given for tag changes. Notification must be made directly to us over ICQ; not over AT.
- RIVAL agrees to recognize the ________ tag & ________ agrees to recognize the RIVAL tag _________
- Policing requests (as defined as doing the policing action and requesting another alliance to do Policing action) need to
be notified through ICQ to other alliance. AT notification is not enough.
- Furthermore, any policing action hits must be cleared by an FA or they will be considered land grabs.
- Any country that drops tag then retags to retal safely shall lose their right to retal as this is considered an attempt
to circumvent and subvert the spirit of our pact. Reps will be paid as per standard rate.
- a country that detagged and wants to take his retals cannot tag back for 72 hours, if the country takes the retals and
tags back before 72 hours are up. It will get treated landgrabs as per our pact clause
- Land:land is CANCELLED upon bounces.
- If a country from Rival tags up into a alliance you are warring we will kill the offending country, The same is done in
reverse, The country must be detaged for 72 hours.
- In the case of hits on a recently tagged country (48 hr's or less in tag) reps shall be paid at going rates
- Rival does not believe in FA in war. It creates an imbalance and takes away from the strength of an alliance. Rival will
not request nor accept FA in war. Do not request it from Rival either


[17:51] SirGawain[RivalHFA]: we just added a clause saying the std retal time is 72 hrs, unless agreed different. Its silly,
but still, it wasnt there ;)


When IBA86 was in Imag they had best recr msgs, todays msgs feel lame compared to those.

Sick of wanking to that same mundane porn? Like something new with animals or maybe
a corpse or two? We at Imaginary Numbers like to think of ourselves as a group of disturbed
individuals who like to get together on a tasteless website (just by some freaking
coincidence, most of us play Earth). We have specialized forums, located between the public
bathroom and the huge industrial jar of KY Jelly, that are there for the sole purpose of
'stress relief'. If this sounds like you, or doesn't sound like you but you didn't get your
experimentation over with during college; come check us out. We won't bite... too hard.


-BLOODANGEL86
http://letskillstuff.org

Message from Mickster should be sho (#3490) sent on 09/22/2006 18:49:35
Dear Earth,

It's me again!! (New country, new message) I would just like to extend one last offer to all of you on the 1A server. Come join iMaginary Numbers. As soon as we finish with: LaF, SOL, IX, EVO, RoCK and ROUGE we will be coming after you. It maybe this set, next set, or next year but we will get you one way or the other.


-BLOODANGEL86
http://letskillstuff.org

Ways to avoid being killed by Imaginary Numbers

Drop a stereo into your next bath...
Take a bite out of a lions neck...
Drink a boiling glass of antifreeze...
Choke on hot coals...
Gag yourself with a chainsaw...
Jump Niagra Falls in a VW...
Jaywalk the Autobahn...
Skinny dip in sewage...
Break dance in a minefield...
Frenchkiss a wall socket...
Snort Laundry Detergent...
Play Russian roulette with semi-auto...
Sleep with a plastic bag on your head...
Chicken race with a bullet train...
Space walk in your pajamas...

Flee the clan you are in, flee and never return.
Delete yourself you fluff!

Read more!
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Some may remember my 3 page pact terms when we moved up to 200% L:L

I put beer clauses in my pacts.
There was one pact I had where the pact was only valid if we met for beer (we had pre-planned an earth meet at that point) :P

[quote poster=Marshal; 30073; 539614]I got bit annoyed to IX when CWG came back, no matter to whom I talked no pact, it didn't matter since IX had warplans (didn't say that directly but between lines).

No problems with LaF (except Ely+Sol vs LaF-war :P) and they even once gave Rogue (yes I was Rogue's FA for a few sets when Gally was "busy" elsewhere) 2 weeks dnh and after that 2 weeks upped it for unap.

Rival's pact-terms:

Rival - Friends Pact

Friend Status Agreement between RIVAL and _______

Pact is based upon Friendship, communication and trust.

Friends pact is not the equivilent of any Defensive Pact. There is zero obligation on the Friend's behalf to enter any
conflict when asked. This does NOT make it an LDP. If you refer to it as an LDP it is null and void on the spot.

With that said, communication between Friends is a necessity. If a Friend is being gangbanged, then they should communicate
with us (or vice versa) if any help is potentially going to be needed.

Where coalition conflicts are concerned, Friends should respect each others views and desires to remain out of conflicts
that have the possibility to tie up their alliance in wars for following resets.

If there is a war planned then communicate it with us well in advance if you think support will be needed! To call on a
Friend at the last moment without communicating with them is treating them as a lackey; something we feel is disrespectful
and won't appreciate. We will treat you with the same respect in communicating well in advance if help may be needed.

Where alleged two-stepping occurs, contact should be made before any action is taken. If there is valid concern of
two-stepping--which is to be defined as two people with malicious intent cooperating to steal land covertly over another
party--then in such cases, Friends will hold their members responsible. In these cases, land:land+buildings+rebuilding costs
will be requested/given. If a member is merely watching the news and catches a jetter and farms it, then it is not malicious
and it is not disrespectful. Friends agree to thoroughly investigate any two-stepping incidents.



Terms of Agreement

- No hits shall be exchanged for any reason. Friends Pact supersedes any and all agreements with other clans, including all
variations of Defense Pacts (FDP/LDP/ADP etc) and all variations of Offensive Pacts (FOP/LOP/AOP etc) and as such, it is
unbreakable.
- 2:1 retals minimum up to 150% land:land on topfeeds (contact necessary for 150% to be approved)
- 1:1 Retals on Def helds
- where clear-cut mistaken grabs are made, reps or alternative countries to provide 2:1 retals minimum up to 150% land:land
should be negotiated, in the interests of not screwing over friends.
- Minimum 2 retals up to 200% land:land for hits during the last four weeks of the reset. Rebuilding costs, income lost &
any stockpile lost will also be paid by the offending alliance. - Retals for double hits (meaning 2 hits in 24 hours) will
be 2:1 for first and 3:1 for second.
- Retals for triple hits (meaning 3 hits in 24 hours) will be 2:1 for first and 3:1 for second and 4:1 for third.
- Only SS/PS allowed for retals
- Use of special attacks (GS, BR, AB, missiles, harmful spy ops) must be discussed between alliances first to determine
the damage. A GS does not warrant retals, but may warrant reps. ABs, BRs, missiles warrant retals and rebuilding cost.
Harmful ops depends on the case and circumstance
- In the case of detaggers who suicide or topfeed, the original alliance shall be responsible for the country for 96 hours
following the detag. Alliances must be responsible for whoever they let in to their alliance and whoever they let grow in
their alliance.
- 24 hours notice must be given for tag changes. Notification must be made directly to us over ICQ; not over AT.
- RIVAL agrees to recognize the ________ tag & ________ agrees to recognize the RIVAL tag _________
- Policing requests (as defined as doing the policing action and requesting another alliance to do Policing action) need to
be notified through ICQ to other alliance. AT notification is not enough.
- Furthermore, any policing action hits must be cleared by an FA or they will be considered land grabs.
- Any country that drops tag then retags to retal safely shall lose their right to retal as this is considered an attempt
to circumvent and subvert the spirit of our pact. Reps will be paid as per standard rate.
- a country that detagged and wants to take his retals cannot tag back for 72 hours, if the country takes the retals and
tags back before 72 hours are up. It will get treated landgrabs as per our pact clause
- Land:land is CANCELLED upon bounces.
- If a country from Rival tags up into a alliance you are warring we will kill the offending country, The same is done in
reverse, The country must be detaged for 72 hours.
- In the case of hits on a recently tagged country (48 hr's or less in tag) reps shall be paid at going rates
- Rival does not believe in FA in war. It creates an imbalance and takes away from the strength of an alliance. Rival will
not request nor accept FA in war. Do not request it from Rival either


[17:51] SirGawain[RivalHFA]: we just added a clause saying the std retal time is 72 hrs, unless agreed different. Its silly,
but still, it wasnt there ;)


When IBA86 was in Imag they had best recr msgs, todays msgs feel lame compared to those.

Sick of wanking to that same mundane porn? Like something new with animals or maybe
a corpse or two? We at Imaginary Numbers like to think of ourselves as a group of disturbed
individuals who like to get together on a tasteless website (just by some freaking
coincidence, most of us play Earth). We have specialized forums, located between the public
bathroom and the huge industrial jar of KY Jelly, that are there for the sole purpose of
'stress relief'. If this sounds like you, or doesn't sound like you but you didn't get your
experimentation over with during college; come check us out. We won't bite... too hard.


-BLOODANGEL86
http://letskillstuff.org

Message from Mickster should be sho (#3490) sent on 09/22/2006 18:49:35
Dear Earth,

It's me again!! (New country, new message) I would just like to extend one last offer to all of you on the 1A server. Come join iMaginary Numbers. As soon as we finish with: LaF, SOL, IX, EVO, RoCK and ROUGE we will be coming after you. It maybe this set, next set, or next year but we will get you one way or the other.


-BLOODANGEL86
http://letskillstuff.org

Ways to avoid being killed by Imaginary Numbers

Drop a stereo into your next bath...
Take a bite out of a lions neck...
Drink a boiling glass of antifreeze...
Choke on hot coals...
Gag yourself with a chainsaw...
Jump Niagra Falls in a VW...
Jaywalk the Autobahn...
Skinny dip in sewage...
Break dance in a minefield...
Frenchkiss a wall socket...
Snort Laundry Detergent...
Play Russian roulette with semi-auto...
Sleep with a plastic bag on your head...
Chicken race with a bullet train...
Space walk in your pajamas...

Flee the clan you are in, flee and never return.
Delete yourself you fluff!

Read more!
http://www.letskillstuff.org [/quote]
I recently used one of those recruiting messages on the boards.... it also got Soviet's country deleted once in earth2025

too bad i used eudoramail for my earth2025 accounts back then

mickster had no sense for humor.

You were a 'Mike is Beaver' imposter?!

Hahaha, that laf pact is almost the exact same as today.. :P

Hey, galleri:

http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/...ivepost.jsp?thread=243565

To be fair Martain, I also signed a dp with you that was simply

"Pact terms are what ever they need to be."

lol

i remember mike is beaver

iba86's pass was on some pic which you found.

PROBABLY SHOULD NOT!