Please disregard all of this, just the ramblings of a tagjumper...

Oh look, the tag jumper who has effectively removed himself from the war is trying to talk smack.

Let us for a tiny moment ignore the fact that after you tagjumped, you had practically ceded all flufftalk rights.

You've cried no less than twice already about how it was the weekend and you have a life wahwahwahwah and somehow that justifies you hitting out of the retal window. To which I ask you, do we give a fluff how busy you are? Is every alliance supposed to have "busy time allowances" for people with a 'life' such that they can take their retal outside the retal window legitly?

No, noone has such a silly clause. You cant take the retal, go tell someone else to take it. This is about as dumb as crying because you got hit while at work and were unable to wall, because for some reason the opposing alliance is only allowed to hit you while you are able to come online.

Make clanmates feel good? SERIOUSLY? I was one of the first to die to Collab last set without even as much as a text, all I wanted this set was a fresh start, war or otherwise. I dont need to hit anyone to make me 'feel good', much less a clan that is smaller than us.

he retalled well within the retal time frame, when will you get it? ;)

So which is it?

But it really doesnt matter, we are long past the issue of hitting out of the window or otherwise, I was merely questioning how he justified his outside hit because he had a 'life'

yamaha, and strife, my reasons for joining the fist were more then public to everyone in this game, if i was gonna war i was gonna do it in my home clan, SancT, you dumb fluffs. Now pay attention, regardless of your 48 hour policy thefists is 72 hours, I retaled 20 minutes out of YOUR policy but almost 24 hours before our policy expired, and you got off easy because i bounced one, you were all greedy and wanted more land so you all scream ror.. thats greedy and you would have never tried that bs on a bigger clan.

You scream tag hopper whatever, Ill do what i can to make sure pdm gets what they deserve.. PDM is 100% the bad guys, you can even ask toma I was gonna tag over to sanct about a week ago, but mr limes timely grab on me was the last straw on the decision, if you wanna fluff talk me maybe you should know something about me.

OGT
Ex SancTuarY President, Head FA, HoW.
Long time Supporter of my Friends TheFist.

Only have love for you OGT. And Collab too, minus one particularly mouthy troll.

Has everyone forgotten that TheFist actually declared on us and ran spy ops as a FS, and that in reality this is a CS?

balin come join us FTW


and nothing in that last post is fabricated in anyway, thats what happened and thats why TheFist and PDM are at war today.

If you all have such a problem with me tag hopping why not kill me for it? It would be against pdm policy Im sure.. Id like to see how different those FA talks would be from the ones done with thefist.

If you hit 1 second after retal window closes its not a legitimate retal.

bobby our retal window was wiiiiiiiide open my friend.
23 hours and 37 minutes i believe untill it expired.


and snawdog i know they were doing spy ops to watch you all save turns.. if thats what your talking about then i don't see a problem.

diffuse/cd/demo..not watching

wow still holding on to the "but they declared on us!1!!!" eh?

get over it. and the spyops only happend after TAN ran his mouth and i quote "Now we are going to make TheFist our personal fluff." which removed the last bit of doubt that you would FS us.

yup once again snawdog is playing victim

come on guys..i am just stating facts...sheesh

what facts? that your leaders provoked this war?

those spy ops wouldn't have been done if you guys didn't tell spawn you were gonna own them.

No, there was one ror thAt was a genuine policy dispute. Even you guys admitted the rest were just flat out rors... As I said, provocation to try to get your war this setl

When we RoRed you and you retalled the RoRs... nothing became of that. This was purely about the policy dispute and you KILLING our country. Do you really think you can kill someone's country when they think it is in the right and get away with it? Killing a country is not something you can just do with a free pass.

If anyone feels like OGT shouldn't have tag jumped why don't you put your money where your mouth is and kill him?

Seems simple to me.

and to whoever said Thomas tried to lead a coup on one of the best leaders PDM ever had almost caused me to spew coke all over my keyboard. Wari may have had his moments but I can count 3 much better leaders of PDM in this thread :P

Also if collab was looking for any excuse to war PDM would already be a bunch of restarts ;)

sure OGT so it was a legitimate retal in your eyes. But it was not in their eyes. The fact it was sooooo close to a legit retal in their eyes is of exactly 0 importance. That is my point.

Reading comprehension FTW!..I said one of our great leaders,i personally think all past and present are great..../

This gave me the lulz.

Enlighten us then, what is the at the essence of OGT so that we might know something about you, so that we can fluff talk you lol.

One thing I know about OGT is his countries always die... Weather its on Team or Allaince :p

I understood what you said, though the fact that you think he was one of your great leaders if still pretty funny. The dude led for what one set? He organized an AB FS then dissappeared within days of the war starting. Sounds like one of the best you've had. He also managed to isolate PDM by running his mouth all the time. Perhaps you should watch drow, detmer or balin more and learn what a good leader looks like.

Looks like his country is still alive in alliance.

Liet's last sentence didn't make sense to me, maybe I'm a bit slow.

You're welcome to apply and make your way up the ranks to see if you make the cut! I'd welcome your attempt since you seem to be so knowledgeable in the ways of leadership, perhaps you'll bring some much needed insight and political gusto to take PDM TO THE TOP! fluff YEAH!!! WHERE'S THAT APPLICATION? WHY HAVEN'T YOU SUBMITTED IT ALREADY?!

I played in PDM nub. Perhaps I'm knowledgeable in the ways of leadership because I am a leader in an alliance much greater than yours.

OH MY MISTAKE SIR! Honestly, I didn't know that I was in the presence of greatness. My humble person knows not your status of greatness!!!! FORGIVE ME MASTER!!!!!!!!

I might forgive you later ;)

On a side note to your previous post, in my personal opinion the three PDM leaders I mentioned above are and were much more qualified leaders than I am/will be.

Lucky for most people I don't make the decisions of who to wipe out in a given set or we would war a lot more often :P

HEY COLLAB! this supposed to be fist and pdm bashing each other! If you want to bash pdm you better do some fsing first!

well if it helps toma the fist sucks donkey balls....I mean they are getting beat by PDM!! losers!

Its not their fault they can't compete with my MASSIVE BALLS.

Guys, let's not let OGT bait us here. Yes, he tag jumped...but he jumped OUT of the tag. Why would we waste turns killing a country that has taken itself out of the war, and possibly risk a war with Collab? It's just retarded. We won't do it.

Talk as much smack as you like, OGT. We're not coming after you if you're not tagged as Fist.

I must admit, Wari had his moments, but we've had better leadership in the past. That doesn't justify Thomas leading a coup though and running a KR on him. But that's in the past, and really our only gripe with Collab is Thomas, not OGT, not the past war or anything.

Yes, we were at fault for the original RoR, and we can dispute whether or not those retals for it were legit or not, but it's pointless at this stage.

Let's just try to have some fun guys.

Fun is not allowed!! what do you think this is a fluffing game?

joe: thanks for the compliment.

I've stayed out of this pretty much entirely.
All I will say is that we were NOT looking for a war.
I haven't seen all the news on this, RL has been a fluff lately and I barely have time to run a country right atm, so I cannot comment on the lead up, only that I trust Detmer's decision to lead us into war was justified.

tan why would i not try to bait pdm into killing me? you guys ruined my reset purposely knowing I am Collab.. thats how i see this situation.. and if you were in my shoes youd see it the same way, we ruined you guys last reset, farmed you all set, I don't blame you I guess but don't get mad when i talk smack about you guys doing what you did.

and Leit I will, tag hopper? please, Ive been in SancTuarY since 2001.. Before that RoCK for over a year, then Arrow for 2 years.. I woulda stayed in RoCK if they didn't turn out to be bot runners. I was pretty much any leadership position possible in SancT at one point or another. Im busy with a new job and wanted a peaceful place to net god willing.. clearly he wasn't. So I go back to my home to war with them since some people wouldn't let me netgain in peace... I coulda stayed there and let you guys kill me then CF, since im sure thats all you guys really wanted, but I ain't given pdm the satisfaction of doing that. I feel bad i left my friends in thefist before they got fs'd, but they are my friends so they will understand 100%.. I bet if i joined any tag you were unpacted too this woulda happened.

I like some people in pdm.. but what you guys were pulling with me was low.


AND AND! it probably pissed doom off royally that I was comming out way ahead after the retals..

either way liet and the others who question my loyalty, Ive been loyal to SancT for 9 years now.. how long you been in pdm for? a year? 2?

and I know some have been there for ages, Im questioning, liet, yamaha, and that other dude.

I thought you were in the Fist. This war had NOTHING to do with you or Collab. So don't flatter yourself.

So keep trying to bait us. It won't work.

wow.. the drama in this thread is too confusing for anyone to try to understand.

wish there was an "Ignore Thread" button.. this hurts my brain

for the price of a simple FA package i'll explain everything to you in detail Zarcon!

Ok

Ironically I thought that was anyone aside from OGT because I never assume people name country's after themselves =P shows what I know.

i didn't even know OGT was in collab :P

Apparently he is now. I guess he was in TheFist when this happened. Something about us not having relations with them and many grabs going back and forth. I don't know. Sounds like targeting since he used to be in Sanct 5 years ago if you ask me.

I didn't even knew OGT was a person, so yeah I just wanted to ruin his netting set lol

No worries OGT. My friends also understood 100% the time that I walked away from a fight, they got their asses kicked but I didn't want to ruin my pretty face, so I ditched them before the brawl broke out for some other friends I knew. Oh wait, I've never done something that low.



lulz, loyalty isn't measured by units of time, its measured by the caliber of your actions.

odd that you guys make more a deal out of it than us lol

Same thing I always think when i see someones name in a country. I doubt PDM was trying to get back at collab that way :P

lol yea really joe, not like pdm was bitter after the beating they took from us. Hmm i must just be paranoid or something..

That's exactly what I thought OGT, you're not that important to us that we would hit Fist just because you were tagged to them. We all had our reasons for what we've done, and the fact that you don't approve them doesn't change a thing. But if you don't like it well though luck man. Learn to live with the fact that everything doesn't work out in the way you'd like.

lol oh so all the rors from pdm on a country with my name in it was just a big coincidence.. who are you anyways? new member? your first set in pdm?

probably

beat it kid

RoF has been in PDM for a long time.

The "RoRs" on you kept coming at you because YOU were the one who kept hitting back. I mean seriously, wtf are you thinking? You expect us to retal someone else for your hits or something?

Stop flattering yourself. This had nothing to do with you or Collab. If we wanted to "get back" at Collab we would war them directly. Being outnumbered has never stopped us before, and you can ask LaF and SoF to confirm.