Random post and fluff Tom Brady with a big rubber dildo. With spikes.

Broncos will win it this year.

I'm at least smart enough to stand on the sidelines and jeer while your making turtle porn ford. I guess you just care a lot more, yay you!

Turtle porn......... O O

Wtf you smoking bro!?!?!, lol share!

hmm, i've always wondered who those idiots are who just post bullfluff beaking on nfl.com news stories. Turns out it was Vic.

Either way, go Patriots :p

Remove Brady from the Pats and they still go to the playoffs and some dumb team signs the backup as a franchise QB somewhere else (where he will shortly be the new backup again).

Remove Manning from any team and you go 2-14 contesting for the #1 overall pick in the draft. I'm not so sure the receivers Manning will make HOF contenders are really that good tbh.

Why do you figure Brady keeps taking a 'discount' to stay with the Pats? Because he will be cut before they pay him elite QB money.

Manning has had more head coaches fired and more OCs promoted to head coaches than any other player in the history of the NFL ever will. I remember one game where they went 3 and out and the field goal unit was coming on the field and he basically stared them down and they ran off the field. Coach Dungy didn't even flinch. I guarantee you Bilichick has more respect and fear of Manning than of Brady (he'll never say it). If Manning played for the Patriots, he would have gone Roger Federer (circa 2005-2008) / gang busters on the NFL and they would have like 10 rings by now.

at least Manning won his without knowing what the defense was running

Hey vic, get ready to pay my man that 500 mil broski :)

Where is Vic??? Lol

gg

Pay the man, Vic!!!! Haha.

11 out of 16

Lol blid

lol well all that means is brady could lose the next 4 matches and still be ahead.

bstrong and koh, neither of you are even from denver :p so stfu dai! love you!

and crazydave, pm sent :p a bet is a bet :)

Shouldn't have been that close.

Ownage. Tom Brady 4 lyfe

How many rings he got since spygate?

Tom Brady nor Peyton Manning play def...Manning hadmore passing yards in that game and some cruicial calls against Denver but meh Brady had some good receivers helping him out. but you guys forget the coaches are responsible for a bit of those wins too....

oh yeah fluff TOM BRADY!

you're going to argue that Brady has better receivers than Manning? that's quite a stretch.... :p
Brady turns receivers into household names; Elway has to go out and buy top players off free agency for Peyton.

Pats just dominated Denver across the board yesterday.

also, to answer Ford's inane question -> Brady has the same # of rings as Manning since then.

the better quarterback is the one who has the most superbowl rings, not the one who got you more fantasy points on any given week.

that's really all there is to it.

See you in the playoffs, Denver!

Julius Thomas is a back up tight end in any other team but Manning is going to make him command top tight end pay. Gronk and Julius are certainly not in the same class. Manning turns receivers into house hold names. I wager the Broncos fail and give him 8 mil a year when he isn't worth 3. Double or nothing Manning makes the next man up a star as well.

I just feel luck to see two of the best qbs ever to play the game go against each other. The only thing that would have toppednit is if Jordan and James played in the same era.

Are you high? I wasn't comparing him to manning. I was making a point that he ain't won fluff since the team was caught cheating. Infact he lost twice to Eli flipping manning lol. I'm not a manning fan not a John fox fan, but I do hate the cheating gaytriots

Minimize that fact all you want, it is still there.

If you want to go onto a 1v1 comparison, manning is a better QB and understands the game better. Brady has a better coach and long time team stability. They are both good QBs. This is still a team sport no matter how much people want to pear it down to QB vs QB

Are you sure your not a john fox fan ford? He was the Panthers old coach aye?

It is very difficult to compare two QBs head to head because so much more goes into a win than the QB. For a WR or CB it's easier because they directly play against each other. The QBs however do not as they are not on the field at the same time.

What we can compare however is stats.

An example would be:
Manning:
Pass attempts 8,761
Pass completions 5,740
Percentage 65.5
TD–INT 515–224
Passing yards 67,536
Passer rating 97.7

Brady:
Pass attempts 6,920
Pass completions 4,392
Percentage 63.5
TD–INT 381–137
Passing yards 51,541
Passer rating 96.1

*source NFL.com

The beauty of stats is you can mold them to suit whatever argument you want to make. You can use them to say manning is the best or brady. In reality they are both legendary QBs of this game.

Also unless manning wants to defend his career for the rest of his life he better win some more rings. Its too easy to throw that in his face.

The very reason I'm not a John Fox fan is because of his closing years as a panthers coach.

rings settle arguments!

not just in sports..it worked with my wife, as well!

And his patented 3rd and 10 draw play.

And that is a very difficult thing to argue when we covet the Superbowl as we do. I would be careful though because rings alone doesn't tell the whole story.

Here are the top QB's based just on rings:


Wins Player Games Team
4 Joe Montana XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV San Francisco 49ers
4 Terry Bradshaw IX, X, XIII, XIV Pittsburgh Steelers
3 Troy Aikman XXVII, XXVIII, XXX Dallas Cowboys
3 Tom Brady XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX New England Patriots
2 Bart Starr I, II Green Bay Packers
2 Bob Griese VII, VIII Miami Dolphins
2 Roger Staubach VI, XII Dallas Cowboys
2 Jim Plunkett XV, XVIII Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
2 John Elway XXXII, XXXIII Denver Broncos
2 Ben Roethlisberger XL, XLIII Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Eli Manning XLII, XLVI New York Giants

Everyone else only has 1. Based on that manning doesn't even make the list and we all know he is at the very least top 3 ever, or at least in the discussion.

The fact mrford called the patriots "the gaytriots" invalidates all of his opinions about them. I'm sorry you're still bitter about Superbowl XXXVIII and I'll leave it at that. :)

I noticed during the telecast last night they casually mentioned that manning and Brady have played in foxboro 13 times. Considering the colts (2x) and broncos (1x) have hosted the pats in the playoffs when record determines the site, and the first year they played they were in the same division and went home and home, that means the schedule makers have had manning visit Brady every time they made the choice.

Seems legit.

I'd like to point out Pang is a Patriots fan and is therefore biased.

ford - what does that matter? Unless you're suggesting that the Patriots' SB success came as a result of cheating, and since they've been caught they haven't been able to cheat. Please tell me that isn't what you're saying.

crest - yeah, Gronk is baller. But man, how old are you that you can actually believe the argument that Manning, and not Brady turn receivers into household names. Are you too young to remember Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? The two of them plus Dallas Clark represent 233 of his 509 touchdowns (as of Oct 20). Harrison caught 112, Wayne 67, and Clark 44.

I found a similar article about Brady from Nov 2013. Of his TDs at the time, Gronk caught the most - 39. Welker (who the hell was he before Brady?) caught 34. Randy Moss (arguably his first "real" receiver ever) caught 39. Deion Branch was a nobody before Brady and he accounts for 24. David Patten (who?), Ben Watson (who?), Troy Brown (who?), Christian Fauria (who?) all caught double digit passes from Brady.

I'll accept that Manning is able to take no-name receivers and make them good; but so is Brady, and Brady has been doing it a lot longer, and to a lot more receivers than Manning. Of all the players that Manning has thrown a touchdown to, the top 6 account for 67% of his touchdowns. For Brady, that number of 50%. In his first 13 season played, Brady has had on average 3.5 new receivers catch a TD pass per season. In Manning's first 15, he's had on average 2.6. That's almost 1 extra player per year that Brady has had to learn to play with and incorporate in the system.

That stat about new players by the way is highest for Brady among all hall of fame or future hall of fame QBs. Think about that for a minute. On a list that includes Favre, Brees, Tankerton, Mannings, Montana, Warner, Elway, Marino, Starr, Bradshaw, Unitas, Graham, Young, Aikman etc. etc. Tom Brady has had THE MOST new players on his team per season played. Brees is next at 3.4 new players per year. Eli, Marino, Favre, Tankerton, and Waterfield are the only others who have, on average, had 3 or more new TD recipients each year.

Bart Starr has five rings, the ones before the Super Bowl still count.

Eli for life.

Stats are 1.5 seasons out of date, but yours truly laid out the case for why Brady, although great, is overrated: http://www.footballnation.com/...reat-postseason-qb/22881/

Its all opinion and even the facts can be argued.. it takes a special kind of stupid to argue something like this with any conviction.

Like Vic, I was born and raised in the Boston area, always liked Boston sports, even when they sucked. It was awesome to see all 4 Boston sports teams win at least one championship while I was in my twenties.

I don't care if anyone hates Boston teams, and I don't care what the argument is for or against! I'm a Brady fan because it is my OPINION as a casual football fan that he is the best quarterback of our generation.

In closing i think we can all agree that the Jets suck.

Fair.

I dont even know how you take yourself seriously with solid logic like that. As a patriots fan, you are far more biased than I am.

Thats neither here nor there. Doesn't change the premise of my argument at all.

I am curious tho if it wasn't a "super bowl" what is the ring for?

I wasn't alive back then sorry.

The NFL championship. The Super Bowl began as a publicity stunt shortly before the NFL/AFL merger, with the first two being played before completion of the merger. The Jets' win in SB III was the validation the AFL teams needed to "legitimize" the merger in the minds of the fans and the media. A team with AFL roots was not favored in a SB until VIII, with the defending champion Dolphins making their third straight appearance. Oddly enough, the Dolphins were underdogs the previous year (to the Redskins) despite an undefeated record.

let me rephrase, Bradys receivers were making some great catches that game, Gronks spinning one handed grab was incredible. I am not saying either has the better receivers, both teams are stellar, but it comes down to coaching calls, and defenses. oh and look at Mannings TD's, imagin if he had been healthy those last 2 seasons before surgery and didn't miss a season due to the surgery he'd have 600 by now

but again he can throw 10 per game and it does no good if his defense can't stop the opposing QB...simple as that

What happened during the last superbowl, did I watch a different game than all you payton lovers?

Its pointless itarl.. Peyton fanboys are high on bath salts

I don't know why people think I'm so biased despite being a patriots fan -- I'm not out there lobbying aggressively for Brady.

Peyton will absolutely be the best statistical quarterback in history, no question about that. Maybe even considered the best "master of the game" and I'm certain he will be a great coach one day while Brady will probably fade away comparatively. But will Peyton be the best quarterback of his generation? That's really the question you need to think about when asking that question. It's pretty much at the point that the "generation" (let's say since 2000ish) is set and it's gotta be between:
- Brady
- Manning
- Brees
- Rothelsberger
- Rodgers (or is he the later generation?)

When you think about those quarterbacks careers, who is the best quarterback of that generation?

Pang, read my article I linked above. Since it has been on Brady he has failed.

With Broncos and Pats whichever team has home field is gonna win .. and I think the Broncos will have home field in the playoffs

Also, if the coaching staffs on these two teams were switched the Broncos wouldn't lose another game until Peyton decided to retired in 2023 or so. John Fox is terrible.

If they all retired today, I would say Manning. Brady has the rings but I don't put as much weight on championships in team sports as some people. Brady won 3 rings 10 years ago with a great team. He, as a player, has improved significantly since. Was '01-'05 Brady better than '07-'14 Brady? Nah.

Actually, it was just Welker who failed that one time :p

LOL Pang great point. I am not a fan of either team therefore I can say in my honest opinion, Brady hasn't won anything since spygate BUT he also lost some great supporting cast. Like my previous statement, Defenses etc count toward a great team, but this argument was originally, which QB is better that boils it down to statistics...