Wait, the reset's ending? So I should, like, jump or something?

*above average lazy Omegan*

I got impatient and blew most of my stock on public almost 2 weeks ago...

to be fair, your stock was likely no more $32.4m

tbf to nukevil you're an arsehole.

So I guess that means you two cancel eachother out then?

lul why so mad?

anon is just a whiny little girl.

because anoniem wubs SS as deep as KJ and LT wubs each other

daiz is big suck!

To be fair, LaF won't be getting a crown this reset.

To be fair, evo have been fluffting themselves for the last week dropping members, intra farming, grabbing stock through intra farming. So it will be highly embarrassing if laf did take a title.

Well I am glad someone not me said that :P

i'm an arsehole, because i'm not ignorant enough to post inane links while trying to disguise them as a point of reference for immigration?

good one pal.

What about LaF's aiding to the top 10 ranks - by my watch that has been going on for over 10 years now?

i would throw in an idiom about glass-houses, but i don't think there are any glasshouses left.

Actually, maybe you are not, but I can tell you approximately 10 names that can hit 250 M NW without that much problems.

oh really...enlighten me please

getting over 200M nw is just too much damned effort...

< 5 mins a day FTW!!

(i spend too much time reading AT and B&S...)

Most people saw what I was trying to point out with that link, except a few like you. That points to you being the ignorant asshole, not me.

Maybe others had more information before they posted, but that isn't my fault.

But even still that isn't why you are an asshole, all the proof needed for that is right here in this thread.

anoniem: we aided who this reset?

i think ss is talking about this reset, not about the past, because this thread about this reset's t10/anw/etc.

we can make a new thread for the past if you want anoniem

We haven't aided people into the top 10 in ages, and when we did, it had no impact on our ANW or TNW (or no positive impact at least).

People like Anoniem and Nukevil come on here bragging about how they win ANW and how they are the best. Meanwhile everyone that sits back during the last 8 - 10 days of the reset and watches them drop (and farm) all their pesky negative outliers just laugh at them for being self righteous hypocrits who are ignorant enough to believe that people don't know whats what.

As if LaF never dropped members; we always drop inactive members 2-3 weeks before the end of the set; this time I think our process got a bit gummed up with Yank being AFK for a dead computer and me being in maui... but LaF always does similar things

What about we start talking about something relevant to the topic of this thread?

my predicted t10 would be 6LaF 3Evo 1Omega

t10 cutoff would be about 180m NW.

we actually didn't drop anyone =) even though a few are inactive.

i think it was just crappy that this guy:

May 29/11 9:24:43 PM PS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) () 320 A (+333 A)
May 29/11 9:24:22 PM PS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) () 331 A (+345 A)
May 29/11 4:31:01 PM PS ReDflag (#506) (LaF) net the set away (#173) () 396 A (+575 A)
May 27/11 9:33:56 PM PS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) 310 A (+240 A)
May 27/11 9:33:48 PM SS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) Defence Held
May 27/11 9:32:55 PM SS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) 244 A (+257 A)
May 27/11 9:32:34 PM SS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) 249 A (+264 A)
May 26/11 4:09:07 AM PS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) 407 A (+405 A)
May 25/11 3:32:25 AM PS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) 367 A (+260 A)
May 25/11 3:31:07 AM SS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) Defence Held
May 24/11 3:33:49 AM PS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) 454 A (+416 A)
May 24/11 3:32:53 AM SS HEAD by a Honey Badger (#383) (Evolve) net the set away (#173) (Evolve) Defence Held

had like 250M food on hand when #383 farmed him first intra-tag then got detagged as you can see.




but i just accept it as part of the fun i guess..



diez: i don't think 180M is the cutoff =/ i still think its higher but that's just me

and i would like to add that evo will most likely win ANW (and with it TNW since you have more members), but it will be close imo.

a little premature but i'll be the first to congratulate you guys.

but i don't think omega is overtaking us this time around. that's just my hunch from looking at the current standings and seeing who is left to jump.

there won't be any omega in the t10. we had a lazy reset.

I think 190m is cut off

6 laf 3 Evo 1 NA via market buyout

Also, laf hasn't dropped inactives or underperforming members at all this set and the race is still close. The last time I remember a laf'r getting dropped was downsay. He dropped tag himself last day of the set. Evo cried like babies, we asked downsay to retag his 5m net country that he had barely played and lost by 200k ANW with over double the members

We didn't drop members this reset, and we didn't drop memebers the last 2 sets either. I don't remember when the last time we did it was (I'm sure someone from Evo will be along shortly to remind me exactly when it was), but it hasnt' been any time in the recent past. We also let new players/returning players start a country in our tag at any point in the reset, regardless of how it will impact our final NW. (Not that I'm saying you have to in order to be "fair" but my point is that LaF doesn't do all these little things in attempt to win ANW, we accept and own our misgivings, it puts us in a position where we are more likely to improve on those misgivings).

"we always drop inactives" thats exactly my point! Thank you for proving it for me. Those "inactives" are part of your alliance and part of your NW. How many of the people you dropped are going to be playing in Evo again next reset? HOw many of them were new members that went inactive and didnt' work out? (we actually have one of those, and we STILL didn't drop him).

You drop them because they negatively impact your ANW. That is fine, there is technically nothing wrong with that. If you guys came out and just owned it by admitting it: "yeah we drop members, but thats because it helps us win, and we like to win" <-- people would respect that.

It's the comming out and acting self righteous about your victory right after you are finished pulling these stunts that makes you look foolish.

And then fluffing about anyone doing anything that you deem
Not legit.. Even if you do it yourselves.

Evo are the biggest group of hypocrites in earth

LT: I remember that downsay thing, because I was the tag holder that round and had to scramble to get him re-tagged in the last 10 minutes :p

that was annoying

That's what I said in my post :-p we had him retag and we didn't detag him he detagged himself..

ya, i reread it and edited :p

...and all the LaF wankies come out in force, despite the fact that it was one of their own that started the trolling in the first place (gj, SS).

no it was Anon with his referring to SS as an asshole that started it.

hmm although I guess you could say that SS started it with his comment about your jump. But I interpreted that as a joke?

So did I, but you can't really blame me for the way this thread spiraled into stupidity...

I dont see what the problem is, its a game and one of the desired titles is winner of ANW.. as long as its within the rules, who cares about how you get it?


If you don't like how one alliance achieves said title, do something about it or shut up.. all this whining reminds me of a pre-shooler who's overdue for a nap.. and it obviously doesn't accomplish anything.

But if you're happy being a baby, don't let me stop you, im just after my bonus points anyway.

I guess you didn't actually read the posts above Buttman.

no not really, couldn't be bothered.. i read the title, skimmed over some posts, and commented on what i saw... forgot to even make a prediction :(

190m!

haha, I definitely did drop myself, but at least I got retagged before the end of the reset!

Btw, starting 9 days late this reset for the win!! Med school > Earth

You are going to play from the beginning for next reset though, right Downsay *mob circle encloses on Downsay*

DOWNSAY SIGHTING

Yeah yeah...I'll start on time next set

What's up Shini!! I haven't seen you in ages...what are you up to nowadays?

See...it used to be that I could start late and still help out the avg nw...no longer true. I start late and completely kill our avg nw.

I'm either getting much worse at this game as time goes on, or I'm just becoming much lazier...not sure which one it is.

we have people start late... we had a few this set even; main thing is if we have people disappear in the first month, we don't see why they should stick around to the end; to be honest half the reason for the (usually early) detagging is because of the suicider-ladder risk; if you leave an undefended n00b with potentially some stock around, you give a good stepping stone for others

that and it's embarassing when nobody can retal people hitting those guys at the bottom becuase they're too small...

most of the real n00bs are gone...everyone here has played this game too long!

Another problem is that whenever something changes, most of the time, the formula for the change is also given out (or easily-guessable) for the players' approval.

To address some of the concerns about Evo:

(1) Evo has detagged 5 members this reset. Two came early in the reset for being inactive (which most alliances don't have a problem with IMO). I do agree with you that we dropped 3 of our inactives too late in the reset. We are working on implementing better policy to drop inactives at least 2 weeks prior to the end of the reset.

(2) The intra-farming late was not authorized by EVO leaders and the offending member was spoken to about his actions. We don't condone what happened.

(3) If you'll notice, however, that we don't drop our Members that are active but may bring out average networth down. To me, what the average NW title is about is the caliber of the typical member in the alliance ASSUMING they are active. We won't drop our worst 5 players simply to win an ANW title if they are trying their best and playing their countries.

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Anyway - I think the ANW title will be much closer than I anticipated. And I'm a little disappointed in Omega's showing - I thought they would put up more of a battle; I'm always impressed by their all-explore countries.

And does look like LaF will have 6 in the top 10 - dang nice showing!

H4 LaF aided a guy to the top 10 just a few resets ago.

You are being very convienant in your interpretation of ANW Confu.

If you feel that dropping inactives is fair on the basis that those members don't represent the "average" member of Evo then by extension you should be removing the extremely large countries as well. Those large countries similarly don't represent the average member as their activity is usually much higher than what would be considered average or typical.

Thats the rub when it comes to measuring averages via the mean. Negative outliers drag your average down, and positive outliers drag it up. To make a claim such as yours corfu is to place a strong bias (or rather completely ignoring) the second half of the equation, and is a statistical abuse of the mean measurement.

If you truely feel that ANW should represent the "average" or "typical" member, then I suggest changing our ANW measurement from using the mean, to using the median.

Switching from the mean to the median is something I've argued in favour of for some time. Slag and I even had a discussion and a did a brief analysis together on what the expected outcome of such a change would be.

I made the recommendation to move to a median because it would be a better reflection of exactly what you are talking about. I made this recommendation knowing very well that it would, on average, negatively impact LaF's average NW moreso than Evo's (as LaF tends to have a lot more positive outlier countries pulling up our ANW than Evo does).

So I'm sorry, I see what you are trying to say, but unfortunately you argument just doesn't hold any water.

Bobby: Ok, but how does that impact ANW positively? It isn't in the same ballpark as member dropping.