mark - i am going to bed soon and i want to have a spot where i left off.

this seems fair punish the whole clan for what 2 or 3 "might have done" it is interesting that there was a war going on and an easy way to win is have your opponent deleted. just saying

Glad to see nothing has changed on EE.
people get caught out, pang gets blamed (even though it seems other admins double checked the data etc.
as for the harshness of the punishment? I suspect if it had been the other way around, and RD that had cheated first instead of LaF, then yes, we would have seen the deletion of the entire LaF tag.

To the innocent guys in RD: Yes, you got caught out by the actions of a few bad apples. Yes, it was harsh. No, you may not have known about it. Well, now you DO know, you have the chance to either a) form your own tag, and keep playing legit, b) join another tag and keep playing legit, c) remain in/restart in the RD tag, remove the people at fault, own up and apologise, and make changes, d) continue to blame everyone else and claim it's all a conspiracy because Pang doesn't like you, or e) quit.

(Just for the record, last I checked, Pang was a member of LaF, who are friends with RD. Why would he delete an alliance that his alliance is butt buddies with, unless there was definite proof? further, why would the other admins allow it without the proof?)

Pang absolutely despises RD and has said so on numerous occasions. He also hates Silver and went so far as to once say he was going to stop talking to me simply because I associate with him.

So when your side knows an FS date and time how do they figure it out? The fact that we knew LCN was going to FS proves absolutely nothing. Unless IPs or some other method can confirm it then that is some pretty damn retarded thinking there. Take actual proof all you want and connect it to a user in particular and if someone who understands it and is open about how it is proof says so then Ill believe but simply saying that someone knows an FS date is even circumstantial proof is just ridiculous.

Perhaps you shouldnt make stupid assumptions off of one post in the future Trumper. I am not wandering around and denying everything left right and center but congrats on pretending I am! In fact that entire paragraph does nothing to speculate on the truth of this thread and everything to do with the fact that I thought people believing a list of countries is proof of anything was ridiculous.

I recently came in to possession of a spread sheet containing boxcar member reports for LCN, MD, Paradigm, and Rage. The user that shared the document with me claims that it originated in RD. Here's a redacted copy of the spreadsheet:
http://www.mediafire.com/...98detm85/memberslist.xlsx

Matching members to country numbers can have tactical value but the spreadsheet I recieved also contained the personal email and phone numbers for a number of users. While most users probably accept that information posted on boxcar will be shared, I find it a little unsettling that someone is collecting and recording this information. The exsistence of this spreadsheet became a source of concern for MD's head team and it became pertinent to figure out how this information had been accessed and duplicated.

We started by looking at the most recent 'LastVisit' since the most recent time stamp is likely when the report was copied. In MD's case, the most recent 'LastVisit' on this report was made by Y-NoT on Oct 15/13 6:54 PM. MD's head team found this strange as Y-NoT has been a long time member of MD and sharing this kind of information outside the alliance seemed extremely out of character. After looking in to boxcar's logs we discovered that Y-Not had logged in from the IP address 93.115.83.16 on Oct 15, 2013 5:27 PM. This IP address appeared in no other place in his login history but was also used to log in to a few other MD accounts one time.

Our concerns and the spreadsheet were shared with the other affected alliances so they could also track down their leaks. Using the same process LCN determined that Spitzy's activity was condusive of copying the report while Paradigm came to the same conclusion about Hutch. Their login activity was looked in to and both users appeared to have logged in from 93.115.83.16. Similar to Y-Not, the IP wasn't found anywhere else in their activity.

MD, LCN, and Paradigm have no way to prove that this spreadsheet was put together by RD or that RD used other users' login credentials to obtain information from other alliances but the common IP address - 93.115.83.16 appears on Pang's list and is also very similar to the 93.115.82.54 address associated with Mr. Copper.

Deleting an entire alliance due to the actions of a few leaders is a severe punishment, especially when many members may be innocent, but those members still benefited from immorally obtained information. Those members deserve to be angry but so do the people who had their logins used and their personal information collected and stored. The collection of names, emails, phone numbers, and passwords has the potential to do real harm to real people. I ask that alliances check their logs for 93.115.83.16 and 93.115.82.54. I doubt LCN, MD, PDM, and Rage were the only alliances affected.

Evo continually gets killed in wars, blames LaF yet again for the huge hlw/tc scandal then goes to the daddy figure RD and starts more trouble. pang, I dont care if you ban me for saying this but BCH coding is pure trash, it wouldnt take a hacker to break into BCH as the code that I saw looked like a copy/paste job from the internet. It was a security nightmare when I read your code. It is your own fault for saying you were going to release a new version over a year ago and never did it. I know we all have real lives but dude... You shouldn't have came out with a gamerstown rip off that had more holes than swiss cheese. You want to say we hacked the website? Go for it, any 8 year old could hack your poorly coded website.

As someone who put his name and neck out there to help RD return to the game, let me extend a big fluff you to all parties involved in recent events. While I do not believe a majority of the membership knew what was going on, to those of you who did the above fluff you was for you.

If RD returns next reset in any form that will be a shame. Let it die here and now as it's name has been tarnished enough. This isn't Earth2025 where cheating ran rampant in many forms, this is a different game with a smaller community who we told we would respect their rules. Spying, abusing game mechanics and backstabbing allies I can understand, but hacking a hosting site? To say this is sad and disgusting doesn't quite do it justice but it will have to do.

PS - To those of you who said I couldn't be trusted when I asked to return, because I made RD look bad with a forum post... Here's another one I don't regret. Look at where you are now because you believed the bullfluff coming from the individuals responsible for your current situation, great job and go fluff yourselves with them.

What about their own actions? TC and Hanlong did similar things. Should they leave the game? Laf also has a history of cheating in Earth 2025. Much of their top leadership was RD.

Then you are too. Cheers!

Nope, never been deleted.

As someone who put his name and neck out there to help RD return to the game, let me extend a big fluff you to all parties involved in recent events. While I do not believe a majority of the membership knew what was going on, to those of you who did the above fluff you was for you.

If RD returns next reset in any form that will be a shame. Let it die here and now as it's name has been tarnished enough. This isn't Earth2025 where cheating ran rampant in many forms, this is a different game with a smaller community who we told we would respect their rules. Spying, abusing game mechanics and backstabbing allies I can understand, but hacking a hosting site? To say this is sad and disgusting doesn't quite do it justice but it will have to do.

PS - To those of you who said I couldn't be trusted when I asked to return, because I made RD look bad with a forum post... Here's another one I don't regret. Look at where you are now because you believed the bullfluff coming from the individuals responsible for your current situation, great job and go fluff yourselves with them.

Nope, never been deleted.