they will still sell and your dead country will get the money. i've had a lot of folks ask me if we can change that so that if you die, the stuff on the market disappears.

that's more of a B&S thread topic, though.

but anyway, on topic...

for sure, Balin -- the target selection, activity and atmopshere in the war room has been awesome. Since LCN entered the war we've been at a disadvantage on every front (as you mentioned) and we're holding our own quite well. I'm very impressed with PDM regardless of the outcome of the war :)
We accomplished our initial objectives, and since our netting was over anyway, the focus is on finishing the war/round in the most enjoyable way possible. That's exactly how it should be.

Interesting on bushels. I figured they burned up. Alas you guys killed your own money then :).

On other subject, interesting choice of a semi-pass words with since 'LCN entered'. We weren't given the opportunity to enter. It's until you guys hit us ;).

we still expect it to be paid regardless. you have plenty of other countries.

and maybe you guys could have paid for it before you planned your FS on us, which we of course pre-empted by a couple of hours.

Wasn't. LCN "CS" a couple of hours after PDM "FS"?

Can't say you got dragged when it is pretty obvious you had plans to hit :/

i think anyone who is claiming that LCN was drawn in by PDM is just being somewhat disingenuous or maybe a little facetious...

LCN's leaders have already posted here acknowledging that they were planning to hit us and I think everyone is cool with how things are going. :p

although I expect LCN, like us, are disappointed that our battle isn't for TNW.

Glad the tagjumpers issue has been resolved without KSF being dragged into a war while their netters has a shot at t10...

Might've drawn a bit of tears over jessie's eyes :(

Goodluck to all sides involved!

Also LCN withdrew its trade pacts with our players who were to receive it before we even hit LCN. That doesn't sound like "We weren't given the opportunity to enter. It's until you guys hit us ;)."

You were going to hit us either way, just admit it :)

my single tear would be a drop in the ocean compared to you :p

also, diez... if you keep following me around, I will make sure that I'm on every single evo thread, preaching for whoever is evo's enemy du jour.

folks like you really make me want to leave PDM and focus on hurting Evo -- sorry qz.

I again got attacked when I said nothing about you whatsoever -_-

Anyway, back to topic... We shouldn't derail topics!

LCN already admitted they were going to hit us and it was smart of us to take a few out before their FS. Trumper doesn't speak for LCN so don't worry about him. Don't let the trolls get trolled.

i'm not an idiot. i'm aware of what your names generally mean and that they're meant to be insults :p
on that topic, i've had enough of your AT bullfluff so let's not derail the thread and I'll deal with you guys ingame next round.

hmm? A threat against Evo ingame as you can't take someone questioning you? Sweet.


EDIT: No idea what either of you have said to each other.

KJ: it's not a threat, it's me being fett up with Evo'ers beaking at me for 2 years+. and ps, that has nothing to do with PDM.

We've had plenty of disagreements before, so I am probably not the best to give you advice. But you feed us with how you reply to us, you bring it on yourself. You (and Slagpit) need to take a leaf out of qz's book and not involve yourselves in any little arguements.

You can't win really. Unlike me arguing with diez for example, a MOD or Admin comes along and tells us both to shut up/bans us both. We have no arguement against that, as for both of us it was a nuetral decision against both of us and we know to stop.

When you argue with diez, and then diez gets banned. It doesnt end there, as he comes back and instantly questions if you banned him, cue a whole new different arguement.

So sure, maybe we are the kids, goading you and provoking you. But its on you to be the bigger man and not respond. Likewise, for diez, the reason I havent been posting much recently is because Evo has an AT Ban in place, maybe you should remember that :P

why would I take a leaf out of qz's book?
this has nothing to do with admin and everything to do with the collective ill-will that has gone on for years between us -- as players. the only way qz is involved is that I forced LaF to ALWAYS pact Evo while I was there and I've tried to leave evo alone ingame because qz and I are friends. let's start a new thread if you want to continue this discussion, k?

So maybe the solution is forum ban diez from an administrative perspective!

Maybe :P I don't know. I am just trying to be reasonable!

Hey guys, stay on topic! I don't want anyone getting banned here!

/me humps PDM and LCN

lol at KJ backpeddling for several years of pang-hate :p

PDM shot first!

Pang has feelings too, don't crush his heart. Or he will steal your sheep!

"A little disappointed KSF didn't take care of their own business right away."

LOL, yes it was so cut and dry.

what's not cut and dry? :|

1) Countries tagged to KSF and said "we are going to net with KSF, not take part in the war" -- sanct echo'ed this.
2) KSF said "yes, these countries will be our responsibility"
3) KSF accepts being PDM's police
4) Countries tag to LCN from KSF after PDM pre-empts LCN
5) KSF goes "uhhh.... we can't kill them anymore because they tagged LCN"

Normally, just being the police would be enough to warrant killing those countries regardless of the pact, or at least encourage KSF to get them detagged. I'm not sure why PDM needed to do the leg work to get LCN to make them self-delete.

Traditionally, just being someone's police makes them responsible for sorting out the issue.
When the countries come from a policer's tag and begin attacking the tag you're policing for -- after the country owners + previous alliance + policing alliance state that they won't re-enter the war -- that makes it pretty cut and dry IMO.

For being jerked around a lot, Detmer has been a class act, since we're talking about class acts a lot on this thread. If my policers failed to do their single most important obligation, I'd be thinking about switching targets to that tag instead -- especially since the countries actually came from the policers tag in the first place.

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lol, You know everything pang!

maybe you should leave PDM posts to Detmer and Tan.

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As for hitting our tag tough guy, Feel free

Confirmed. Except on matters that involve ZEN/Tisya.

maybe you should have just killed them in the first place instead of dragging your feet? :p

What pang says is cut and dry killa. I'd venture to say though we wouldn't want to hit KSF, no reason to.

It is sorted out now, but you must understand that when you guys took them on you assumed responsibility for them.

When someone puts their word on something it should mean something. Maybe next time your word is worth less? Who knows, but one thing is for sure you didn't act as you said you would. End of story.

Not that it really matters what I think I normally just set back and enjoy the ride :)

req sums it up nicely :p

PDM members can post whatever thoughts they want. They do not necessarily (or likely) reflect the views of PDM as an alliance, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

it seems maybe some people are lost on what the duty of police is. looks like most people want to reap the benefits (free land) but not take responsibility when it concerns hurting their own countries when something like a tag jumper needs to be taken care of.

traditionally i think police should be someone who is willing to drop whatever plans they have to make sure the policee recieve a fair fight. i suppose though with so many at war its hard to find a police willing to take care of business

ok whos fluffing around with the thread? page 6? there hasnt even been a page 5 lol.

That was on a previous FA issue, which was resolved after speaking to another PDM FA at the same time. Check your logs.



Once again, another bullfluff quote. Please show me the log where I told a PDM FA to suck a fluff?



Funny how you brought that up. Not that I didn't know you guys have had a spy in Sanct for several resets, but it just reassures us that's how you have to play. For PDM to know which country belongs to who etc etc. every set was enough for us to know. But thanks for confirming our "suspicions".



And my dislikes for alliances has never caused me to intentinally cause a war, or decide to FS a tag out of hatred. I haven't liked PDM for a while, because of fluff like this, and that hasn't caused me to ever FS them. Although at this point I do regret not following my heart when it comes to that.

Well it's not the police's job to kill any tag jumper who wants to enter a war. Like for instance lets say some SoF members jumped to LCN to fight that wouldn't be the police's issue. What is thier issue in this case was the tag jumping from:

Sanct --> KSF --> LCN

That was really the issue. We could have killed them before they had the chance to go to LCN and fight, but we didn't out of kindness and respect for the players who said they didn't want to war and wanted to net. We showed grace. They showed dishonor.

Our panties got in a ruffle because of the blatant lie and deception they pulled on not only PDM but KSF too. Because I don't believe KSF knew they would do that, I don't hold any ill-will towards KSF just a slight bit of disappointment.

I'd be much happier if they just said "we didn't know they would do that and we don't want to ruin our netgaining this set to kill them" even as selfish as that is the honesty would go a long way with me.

thomas, we don't need spies when your members have loose lips and don't always like the stuff you do.

@Thomas: "And my dislikes for alliances has never caused me to intentinally cause a war,"
Maybe that means you are doing it wrong?:P
j/k

This.

Your members flock to us with information. Maybe it is time to purge your members or mode of operation to something they like. Honestly I am surprised they stick around in there considering their grievances.

For what it's worth, some of us tried being nice. I even offered a landtrade with one PDM player who can confirm I said I wanted to join in (of course without getting my own alliance leadership's permission so who knows if it would have happened).

Pang I'm not in evo and I think you suck as a person. You always make spin and then claim others are the ones doing the spin. KSF has had to deal wih three different alliances to try and take care of the tag-jumpers in a way that makes everyone happy. We started a kill run and then were asked to stop while discussions took place.

I would say KSF is the alliance that most regrets the tag-jumping because it reflects poorly on us. The individual people came to us and said they just wanted to net and we vouched for them, but then they changed their minds and thought by switching to LCN it would absolve us of all responsibility. I'm not in leadership, but it sounds like people have come to some sort of agreement on the matter and that it is taken care of.

However, Pang does a great disservice to all when he speaks his silly opinions about how PDM should hit KSF for the rogue actions of a few Sanct guys. Luckily, I think it's pretty obvious to all that Pang just runs his mouth and so no one really takes him seriously.

On a side note, I think as a community we should think about some rules to allow players to tagjump within 24-36 hours without interference of the police. If a FS occurs for fluffty reasons or is from/against an alliance that someone wants to support, then they should be able to help if they join as soon as possible. I know with all of the wars this set, there were a good number of players in outside alliances who would have joined if it would not have led to problems for their current alliances.

Hmm

i stopped reading after that.
it proves you're not worth the time to argue with.

You guys need to learn from Evo and LaF and not post on AT while warring. It just leads to trolling.

Fair enough. My point was that you calling diez out for a post that didn't even relate to you and then threatening to suicide Evo was ridiculous, so I wanted to give you something directed at you so you could have something to be angry about. Now I will end with one of your patented emoticons you use to show that even though you are a giant tool, in the end you're "just kidding" and a good guy :p

Who cares? Don't take the game so seriously, that's what causes you more grief than anything.

Shhh

Stop revealing sensitive PDM secrets!

lol ^that

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why was my post deleted?

same reason they all are im sure ;)



On the topic of police. It has always been my understanding that police kill any tagjumpers that are within reason to kill(Aka as long as they arent over 100mill nw or something)

You suck as an animal. I think you would make a crappy moose.

lol :P If anyone ever needs to learn from laf or evo on that matter I'm sure they'll be in pretty sad shape...