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Jan 20th 2012, 1:59:59

http://www.nowpublic.com/...aupload-anonymous-strikes


after the SOPA/PIPA awareness day, the FBI seemed to think it was a good idea to take down megaupload.

is estimated that as many as 10000 possibly more hackers could be staging attacks in all major US government sites.
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Jan 20th 2012, 2:14:29

To be fair, megaupload is also being charged with embezzlement and several of their employees are being arrested, whereas in previous issues with content piracy the sites were typically just shut down. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Personally, I would love to see a decent sized company take on the charges as it seems crazy to say each illegal download is worth the full retail price of a dvd, because a majority of those people would not have paid even if downloading was not an option. It's easy enough to get many movies at clearance prices for $3-$5 or since most people watch it once, redbox for a $1.

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Jan 20th 2012, 2:29:09

"From the press release:

"Instead, the indictment alleges that the conspirators manipulated the perception of content available on their servers by not providing a public search function on the Megaupload site and by not including popular infringing content on the publicly available lists of top content downloaded by its users."

So offering a search feature that allows anyone to find copyrighted content is providing tools that facilitate infringement, yet not offering a search feature is "manipulating the perception of content available." Are you fluffing kidding?

"For example, when notified by a rights holder that a file contained infringing content, the indictment alleges that the conspirators would disable only a single link to the file, deliberately and deceptively leaving the infringing content in place to make it seamlessly available to millions of users to access through any one of the many duplicate links available for that file."

So we're back to the general knowledge of infringement happening on the site argument again? How many courts have to say that it's the copyright holder's responsibility to provide specifics? It sounds like when DMCA notices contained a link to the file, it was disabled, as per the law.

"The indictment charges the defendants with conspiring to launder money by paying users through the sites’ uploader reward program and paying companies to host the infringing content."

I suppose there's a few ways to interpret that, but how is a well known rewards program that does what it says money laundering? And paying companies to host the infringing content... we'll need some specifics there, but if Mega was just purchasing additional space for what their users uploaded then this makes no sense at all.

Unless the DOJ has some really specific credible evidence, this is going to seriously blow up in their faces."

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Jan 20th 2012, 2:43:27

heh Hackers are retarded. Same idea as people who plant bombs and kill/harm innocents just to show their anger at the system.

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Jan 20th 2012, 2:51:22

a ton of sites are getting attacked...

again the timing is too much, SOPA/PIPA was stopped so in order to throw a bone to the recording industry they decided to take down megaupload.

by the way I know a few of my friends that lost a lot of crap they had hosted in megaupload as back ups... and they are pretty pissed (they were building a little game) (wouldn't find it odd if they are also part of the huge wave of attackers).
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Jan 20th 2012, 3:05:36

was their game similar to earth? :p
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Jan 20th 2012, 3:21:15

RPG :P

I called them to ask if they had back ups, they said that pretty much half of their work is gone
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Jan 20th 2012, 3:22:28

Zen can't be blamed for his actions.

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Jan 20th 2012, 3:27:12

interesting vid in yourtube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOewTFvraxI

and with that, I go to sleep1!!!
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Jan 20th 2012, 3:30:17

Great, now how am I gonna watch supernatural.

C'mon netflix, get your fluff together. I don't want tv or the bullfluff that comes with it.

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Jan 20th 2012, 3:33:24

Originally posted by deepcode:
Great, now how am I gonna watch supernatural.

C'mon netflix, get your fluff together. I don't want tv or the bullfluff that comes with it.


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Jan 20th 2012, 5:39:26

chaoswind, point your friend in this direction http://109.236.83.66/
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Jan 20th 2012, 5:50:08

I'm not sure if it still works, but I read that megaupload.biz will get you there as well.

edit: It does not work.
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Jan 20th 2012, 9:31:07

hackers and pirates and thieves, oh my!
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Jan 20th 2012, 10:29:35

Congrats, Well done and very appropriate !!!

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Jan 20th 2012, 12:13:24

I'm no legal expert but how f*** is it that the US is trying to arrest foreigners, on foreign soil, and seize foreign assets, to bring them to the US and jail them?

http://www.justice.gov/...2/January/12-crm-074.html

"In addition, the following alleged members of the Mega conspiracy were charged in the indictment:
Finn Batato, 38, a citizen and resident of Germany, who is the chief marketing officer;
Julius Bencko, 35, a citizen and resident of Slovakia, who is the graphic designer;
Sven Echternach, 39, a citizen and resident of Germany, who is the head of business development;
Mathias Ortmann, 40, a citizen of Germany and resident of both Germany and Hong Kong, who is the chief technical officer, co-founder and director;
Andrus Nomm, 32, a citizen of Estonia and resident of both Turkey and Estonia, who is a software programmer and head of the development software division;
Bram van der Kolk, aka Bramos, 29, a Dutch citizen and resident of both the Netherlands and New Zealand, who oversees programming and the underlying network structure for the Mega conspiracy websites.
Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and van der Kolk were arrested today in Auckland, New Zealand, by New Zealand authorities, who executed provisional arrest warrants requested by the United States. Bencko, Echternach and Nomm remain at large. Today, law enforcement also executed more than 20 search warrants in the United States and eight countries, seized approximately $50 million in assets and targeted sites where Megaupload has servers in Ashburn, Va., Washington, D.C., the Netherlands and Canada. In addition, the U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., ordered the seizure of 18 domain names associated with the alleged Mega conspiracy."

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Jan 20th 2012, 12:20:17

might have something to do with the treaties that we have with those countries. i forget what that interpol statement on all my movies stated.
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Jan 20th 2012, 12:22:00

Vote ron Paul he'll let you other coutries have your own laws...

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Jan 20th 2012, 13:17:58

Regardless of whatever agreements they have with those countries, it just doesn't make sense that no one in the MFGlobal/JPMorgan missing 1.2 billion dollars of customer money scheme is touched while the FBI has foreigners arrested on foreign soil.

Just seems like something is wrong.

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Jan 20th 2012, 13:28:47

Honestly I am quite shocked about no one comparing this with the industrial revolution, technology made copyrights a silly thing of the 20 century, people need to forget about that archaic system, yeah the US wants to protect copyrights because they own most of them, but are they worth protecting when they threaten the advancement of mankind? I think not.

I don't know you people, but I don't watch TV anymore and the last movie I watched was tower heist, and the one before that was Thor; I find myself enjoying youtube shows like fluff Figures, Raywillamjonhson, I think the industry of "entertainment" needs to get their fluff together or disappear, honestly if writers hosted their books online with online readers they would probably earn much more themselves that what the publishers give them, publisher/distributors need to adapt or disappear, we don't need to protect them of the future.
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Jan 20th 2012, 13:35:46

I would suspect there will be major backlash on the NZ and German governments to not cave to US extradition requests
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Jan 20th 2012, 14:13:35

Well I guess is indeed different

Industrial Revolution:

Organizations screw thousands of users (specialist) in the benefit of millions (billions)

Digital Revolution:

Users screw organizations of a (debatable % of their profit) in the benefit of everyone.

And don't talk fluff about the creators losing too, because all they have to do is jump from the row ship, to the spaceship.
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Jan 20th 2012, 14:15:12

think i'll watch "Clear And Present Danger" and pretend that the bomb is targeted on some anonymous hackers house.
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Jan 20th 2012, 20:41:07

Originally posted by General Earl:
I'm not sure if it still works, but I read that megaupload.biz will get you there as well.

edit: It does not work.


It does work, http://megavideo.bz/ , and it's just awfully slow.

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Jan 20th 2012, 21:02:06

Originally posted by Oceana:
Vote ron Paul he'll let you other coutries have your own laws...


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Jan 20th 2012, 21:51:27

if the charge is money laundering and they have proof then those guys are boned. Yay treaties/agreements in the name of "anti-terrorism/anti-organized crime".
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Jan 20th 2012, 22:35:23

Originally posted by TheORKINMan:
I would suspect there will be major backlash on the NZ and German governments to not cave to US extradition requests


Few countrys extradite their own nationals by default.
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Jan 21st 2012, 7:09:04

It is commonly thought in NZ that when the US wants to trial a poicy to see the effects on the public that they do so here. Ok maybe not that commonly thought, maybe just me, but in all reality NZ = us fluffes, or NWO depending on who you believe in.

Our government is the equivalent to what France was to Geermany in 1940, its fluff.
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Jan 21st 2012, 8:20:29

http://tinyurl.com/7wl6d5w

That's the news release about SOPA from the bucaneer bay. It's hosted on the pb site but it's just a text file.

"Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would “do for the eye what the phonograph does for the ear”. He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person to own the copyright to a motion picture.
Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent. There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.
So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: “stole”) other peoples creative works, without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they’re all successful and most of the studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations – it’s all based on being able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules.
The reason they are always complainting about “pirates” today is simple. We’ve done what they did. We circumvented the rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow people to have direct communication between each other, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
It’s all based on the fact that we’re competition. We’ve proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We’re just better than they are."



There is more. Worth the read.

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Jan 21st 2012, 8:36:27

just means that you shouldn't buy their products. doesn't mean that you should be allowed to steal them. there is no honor among thieves.
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Jan 21st 2012, 12:25:50

Originally posted by oats:
http://tinyurl.com/7wl6d5w

That's the news release about SOPA from the bucaneer bay. It's hosted on the pb site but it's just a text file.

"Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would “do for the eye what the phonograph does for the ear”. He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person to own the copyright to a motion picture.
Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent. There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.
So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: “stole”) other peoples creative works, without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they’re all successful and most of the studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations – it’s all based on being able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules.
The reason they are always complainting about “pirates” today is simple. We’ve done what they did. We circumvented the rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow people to have direct communication between each other, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
It’s all based on the fact that we’re competition. We’ve proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We’re just better than they are."



There is more. Worth the read.

Man. Whoever wrote that is ignorant as fluff. Lets pretend here for a second. Lets pretend that that guy gets his wish and that they are suddenly the sole way to view movies from now on. Where does that lead? No more movies. If you can't see that then I'd be shocked.

Honestly it is a vicious circle. Movie prices are high so people watch online for free. People watching free movies aren't paying money to the companies making them and thus are pushing movie prices up more etc.


That person sounds like a hippy or career protester or something.

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Jan 21st 2012, 16:25:30

Nice tie-in information oats. Also, thanks for posting this up Chaoswind.
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Jan 21st 2012, 16:58:19

Movies will be made regardless of profitability; just look at all those indy films! hehe
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Jan 21st 2012, 17:33:18

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Jan 21st 2012, 17:41:28

Originally posted by qzjul:
Movies will be made regardless of profitability; just look at all those indy films! hehe

lol
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Jan 22nd 2012, 4:04:50

I've never understood this attack on drop-in-the-bucket nonsense such as IP within US borders.

If Congress actually wanted to address the money lost by US multinationals due to intellectual property theft, THEY WOULD ENFORCE STIFF TARIFFS ON ALL CHINESE GOODS.

Anyone who wants to think or assert that China has created anything in the last 25 years is flat-out lying. China's entire economy is nothing but copying American innovation - that's it.

Congress can make piracy stop - they just don't want to deal with the actual problem.

This is not including wage/environmental/border tariffs. China has a straight 25% tariff on all goods/services from the US that enter China.. and the US tariff is under 2%. A "Free Market" is one with no tariffs anywhere, and the simple truth is that when those Chinese border tariffs are eliminated, US goods are actually more competitive in the Chinese market than the equivalent Chinese good - in quite seriously all categories.

China doesn't "own us" - in 2011 Chinese goods account for 2.7% of US consumption. [FRBSF, 8/8/2011] The annual total US consumption is 130 trillion so that's $3.52T. By way of comparison the annual dollars we send to Canada for their oil is 27 times more than everything we buy from China. And you don't see people complaining about mooses overrunning DC, do you? Well, except for that one parade honoring Mickster and Patty, but we don't talk about that in public.

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Jan 22nd 2012, 4:52:50

the one bit of it that sounds bad for megaupload is that they hash uploads and if its the same as one already on their servers you just point to that copy

not sure if it skips/quickens the upload process

then when a takedown is ordered the allegation is they just take down the pointer webpage rather than the actual content since there was only one copy

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Jan 22nd 2012, 5:11:11

The problem for megaupload is that most, if not all of these countries have signed into International Intellectual Property treaties with each other and the United States through various International Intellectual Property organizations.

and Mr. Dotcom not letting the Swiss police in, and then going and hiding in a safe room certainty does not help show that he is innocent lol

I don't see this as helping Congress at all come elections lol