Well KJ has given us something. Why not post something in return? At least the tiniest thing to suggest that you're right. You can't say that you'll post yours after he posts his after he's already posted something. Man up and lets see some logs.
Lets see, I believe I said I dont like Monsters and they have never been relevant (on the topic of how not to be FS'ed SoF or SOL randomly, hlw pointed out that Monsters manage it).
I have said multiple times that I am not SOL's biggest fan. They did what they did over the years to Evo included, you cannot fail to acknowledge that. I have strongly warmed to them though, especially as without even a moments hesitation they came to our defense last set.
I will quite happily fluff about LaF and sometimes SoF nonstop to anyone that will listen, so you can't be posting anything like that.
I was pissed at one of our allies attacking another of our allies that was helping us last set.
I do not hide the fact that for the last week I have been trying to tempt Rival into FSing us. Its also not a secret that I had no intention of Evo FSing them.
As a completely unbiased bystander that hasn't played in over a year, I can see from laf's actions over the last few sets, that they have become the biggest band of bullying manipulation fluffs on this server. I remember when breaking pacts would land you in the alliance dog house for several resets now fluffes like laf do it every set? Pathetic.
here's some log excerpts of you being a dirty liar:
00:31:29: <Don_Hanlong> 200% L:L
00:31:29: <BattleKJ> lol
00:31:35: <Don_Hanlong> rep payments on lost production
00:31:39: <Don_Hanlong> no two-stepping
00:31:45: <Don_Hanlong> the term i want is same as sof's
00:31:50: <Don_Hanlong> i dont care about two-stepping fnormally
00:31:57: <BattleKJ> ya
SoF told me their only break clause was breakable if FDP is netgained, which is what netgainers would want.
i asked you specifically to copy SoF's terms (i might have better logs than that with you indicating this point, but im sure you cant disagree on that..)
you changed it on me to "at war".
you threatened Rival every day the whole week.
how is this my fault?
you changed our pact term yourself, when i told you to COPY SOF. and that term being changed is the one being used on you.
i can also show you logs i talked to Rival saying "oh i can't hit Evo for you, i told them i can't hit them unless you get FSed first"
and like what you said, that's the reason why you didn't FS Rival first. you didn't want their FDPs to come in.
So, last reset hanlong claimed to have the logs and never showed any and this reset he's claiming the same thing and promising to release them within a 'reset'.
What a scumbag. MD's new 'Kill any country that gets FAed to the TOP 10' really motivated hanlong into doing something else eh?
Slagpit, didn't know hanlong accused Evo of getting the op for his country. Like it was hard anyway. LOL. I remember him saying something like 'he didn't care' then a month later blamed me for ruining his top 10 finish and used it to justify wars against SOL in various insinuations.
What a fluffwit.
signatures are stupid.
Months since LaF netgained: 22
Thats all in context hanlong, you actually requested the same two-stepping clause as SoF if you post the rest of the conversation. Infact for anyone with some form of reading ability its clear from your 3 lines that you wanted the same two-stepping clause as SoF had already signed with us.
Session Start: Tue Dec 20 00:27:09 2011
Session Ident: Don_Hanlong
[00:27] Session Ident: Don_Hanlong (Earth-Empires, BattleKJ) ()
[00:27] <Don_Hanlong> ?
01[00:27] <BattleKJ> email me your most current pact or post it here pls
01[00:28] <BattleKJ> if you can
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> its a 3 reset pact
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> CF until you sign one with us
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> 3 reset uNAP
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> standard terms
01[00:30] <BattleKJ> no
01[00:30] <BattleKJ> lol
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> get them to post it
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> to you
01[00:30] <BattleKJ> i mean pact you want us to sign
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> oh
01[00:30] <BattleKJ> not sols
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> lulz
[00:30] <Don_Hanlong> did you sign SoF yet?
01[00:30] <BattleKJ> nah, but we have had some positive talks
01[00:31] <BattleKJ> but ofc it cant just be simple
01[00:31] <BattleKJ> offered them a ceasefire, all nice etc
01[00:31] <BattleKJ> they want all their members to vote on it
[00:31] <Don_Hanlong> just a stnadard one is fine
01[00:31] <BattleKJ> lol
[00:31] <Don_Hanlong> 200% L:L
[00:31] <Don_Hanlong> rep payments on lost production
[00:31] <Don_Hanlong> no two-stepping
[00:31] <Don_Hanlong> the term i want is same as sof's
[00:31] <Don_Hanlong> i dont care about two-stepping fnormally
01[00:32] <BattleKJ> ya
[00:32] <Don_Hanlong> but its a senstive issue considering i can see it being abused by both sides
01[00:32] <BattleKJ> not an issue
[00:32] <Don_Hanlong> to suicide each other
01[00:34] <BattleKJ> ya
01[00:35] <BattleKJ> we'll just have to suicide each other with no added benefits
01[00:35] <BattleKJ> lols
01[00:35] <BattleKJ> j/k
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> so dumb
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> we just need to learn
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> to netgain better
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> you guys have some things that you do better
01[00:40] <BattleKJ> lols
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> that we need to improve on
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> instaed of blaming ourselves
[00:40] <Don_Hanlong> i realize that
01[00:41] <BattleKJ> i want an added clause about purposefully dropping members from tag in the last fluffing 10 seconds
01[00:42] <BattleKJ> lols
01[00:42] <BattleKJ> ^im not joking :D
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> ok
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> that's fine
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> let's have a clean fluffing slate
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> put all the grievances on the table
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> so we stop doing stupid fluff to each other
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> and we netgain
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> if you beat us so be it
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> we'll learn frmo it and try to do better next time
01[00:46] <BattleKJ> agreed
[00:47] <Don_Hanlong> can i sign it with you later tho?
[00:47] <Don_Hanlong> i really need to log the fluff out
01[00:47] <BattleKJ> yea
[00:47] <Don_Hanlong> i spent too much time on this game
Session Start: Tue Dec 20 00:27:09 2011
....
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> that's fine
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> let's have a clean fluffing slate
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> put all the grievances on the table
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> so we stop doing stupid fluff to each other
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> and we netgain
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> if you beat us so be it
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> we'll learn frmo it and try to do better next time
....
i can also show you logs i talked to Rival saying "oh i can't hit Evo for you, i told them i can't hit them unless you get FSed first"
and like what you said, that's the reason why you didn't FS Rival first. you didn't want their FDPs to come in.
so why did you change it to "at war" exactly?
What are you going on about? lol
You're right, we didnt want to FS Rival because SOF not LAF have a clause in their pact with us for the remainder of the set that would have allowed them to defend Rival. We also didnt want to FS Rival as we wanted a FUN war. We have the membership advantage, Rival had a NW advantage, it was in our best interests to concede the FS to make the war more FUN!
Please post the logs where you asked these things. As at no point do I remember you asking for a carbon copy of SoF's pact. You're still lying Hanlong. Fact is the terms of both pacts are entirely different, quite simply as you wrote the majority of one of them and Flamey wrote the majority of the other and on each occasion I added a few clauses in that we wanted. LaF wanted different things than SoF. SoF wanted different things to LaF. Evo wanted different things from LaF and SoF. Pretty normal if you ask me.
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> and we netgain
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> if you beat us so be it
[00:46] <Don_Hanlong> we'll learn frmo it and try to do better next time
HAHAHHAHA.
Pretty sure this is the crux of the problem. EVO were destroying LaF in netting so they turned to gangbanging.
LaF has manfully participated in two (2), YES TWO, 1 on 1 wars in the entire history of EE. The score? LaF 0 Others 2
The last time they achieved anything was the middle of 2010 when they won total net against no opposition. When Evo gained members they have destroyed LaF 1 on 1 at netting and would have probably done so in war if the SoF/LaF coalition didn't decide that gangbangs should be back in fashion.
signatures are stupid.
Months since LaF netgained: 22
IMO, you only requested the same two stepping clause that SoF invented. You went ahead and signed the pact we had formulated for next set. Infact I do recall a few days later messaging you to ask if we could re-word the breaking clause that I added, but you were busy at the time and I still havent followed that up. But it was a showing on my behalf that I was willing to change some terms in hindsight.
Session Start: Thu Dec 22 22:52:26 2011
Session Ident: Don_Hanlong
[22:52] Session Ident: Don_Hanlong (Earth-Empires, BattleKJ) ()
[22:52] <Don_Hanlong> i dont feel like signing fluff
[22:52] <Don_Hanlong> unless you tell anoniem to stfu
[22:52] <Don_Hanlong> we might as well just war this reset
[22:52] <Don_Hanlong> and we can prearragne for the next one also
[22:52] <Don_Hanlong> the way anoniem and slagpit is posting
[22:52] <Don_Hanlong> we are just delaying
01[22:53] <BattleKJ> we already signed
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> this fluff for 3 resets
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> so dumb
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> fine
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> we can war in 3 resets
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> whatever
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> so dumb
01[22:53] <BattleKJ> jajaja, let the trolling commence for 3 more sets!! jajajaja
01[22:53] <BattleKJ> nah
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> ...
01[22:53] <BattleKJ> yank is addressing that
01[22:53] <BattleKJ> hes not happy about all the trolling
[22:53] <Don_Hanlong> seriously
[22:54] <Don_Hanlong> we are going to war in these 3 resets
[22:54] <Don_Hanlong> if you guys don't stop trolling
[22:54] <Don_Hanlong> we will stpo also
[22:54] <Don_Hanlong> of course
[22:54] <Don_Hanlong> but you see the problem there right?
[22:54] <Don_Hanlong> we will find reasons to war each other and it's so dumb
01[22:54] <BattleKJ> lols
01[22:54] <BattleKJ> i said
01[22:54] <BattleKJ> yank is addressing it
01[22:54] <BattleKJ> chill
01[22:54] <BattleKJ> hes old and slow
01[22:54] <BattleKJ> but he will sort it
[22:55] <Don_Hanlong> what's anoniem's country #
[22:55] <Don_Hanlong> can we just kill him
[22:55] <Don_Hanlong> and we be happy?
[22:55] <Don_Hanlong> <3
01[22:59] <BattleKJ> nope
[22:59] <Don_Hanlong> i'm going to start the KR on anoniem
[22:59] <Don_Hanlong> if he won't stfu
[22:59] <Don_Hanlong> i can pay your country reps
01[22:59] <BattleKJ> why would you cause problems
[22:59] <Don_Hanlong> in his place
[22:59] <Don_Hanlong> :D
[23:00] <Don_Hanlong> i realize it's not a evo problem
[23:00] <Don_Hanlong> but a select individuals
01[23:00] <BattleKJ> when yank is addressing the situation
[23:00] <Don_Hanlong> we can just remove those individuals
[23:00] <Don_Hanlong> then let's hear it
01[23:01] <BattleKJ> hear what?
[23:02] <Don_Hanlong> we have a FS time set for 12/28
[23:03] <Don_Hanlong> please let me know Yank's thoughts
[23:03] <Don_Hanlong> :D
01[23:03] <BattleKJ> heh
01[23:03] <BattleKJ> we have a standard clause uNAP for this set
01[23:03] <BattleKJ> which you signed already :)
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> all we have to do
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> is hit your FDP first no?
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> then its void
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> lulz
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> im just talknig up right now
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> cuz im pissed off
01[23:04] <BattleKJ> no
01[23:04] <BattleKJ> standard clause pact this set
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> whatever
01[23:04] <BattleKJ> that clause is there starting next set
01[23:05] <BattleKJ> and its so you cant turn on sol or imag or whatever without us having the option to hit you
01[23:05] <BattleKJ> as obv
01[23:05] <BattleKJ> we wont be hitting anyone
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> yah
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> like we really dont want to netgain
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> that's it
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> we are a warring alliance :D
01[23:05] <BattleKJ> but it needs rewording
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> if you guys just stop flaming us
01[23:05] <BattleKJ> as its retarded
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> we probably would both be netgianing every reset
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> and we both know that
[23:05] <Don_Hanlong> we don't need to trust each other to know that
01[23:06] <BattleKJ> ya
01[23:06] <BattleKJ> but stop taking the bait
[23:06] <Don_Hanlong> stop baiting us
[23:06] <Don_Hanlong> if some hot 17 year old girl goes naked in front of me
[23:06] <Don_Hanlong> even tho its jailbait in the US
[23:07] <Don_Hanlong> hard to resist you know
[23:07] <Don_Hanlong> kekeke
[23:07] <Don_Hanlong> jkjk
01[23:07] <BattleKJ> why would a hot 17 year old girl go naked in front of you?
01[23:07] <BattleKJ> are we to assume that you spiked her drink first?
01[23:15] <BattleKJ> so
01[23:15] <BattleKJ> can we reword the clause better?
[23:28] <Don_Hanlong> ok
[23:28] <Don_Hanlong> resend to me
[23:28] <Don_Hanlong> im going to retire after this reset btw
[23:28] <Don_Hanlong> i dont want to keep on playing this stupid game
[23:29] <Don_Hanlong> i just want to have us be peaceful
01[23:29] <BattleKJ> ya
[23:29] <Don_Hanlong> and i want to close this chapter so we can transition on
01[23:29] <BattleKJ> can we reword it together now?
[23:29] <Don_Hanlong> im at work
[23:29] <Don_Hanlong> busy with something
[23:29] <Don_Hanlong> just send to me i'll respond within a day
[23:29] <Don_Hanlong> ttyl
01[23:29] <BattleKJ> k
Thats another actual whole log from KJ, start to finish, nothing out of context.
"[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> all we have to do
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> is hit your FDP first no?
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> then its void
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> lulz
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> im just talknig up right now
[23:04] <Don_Hanlong> cuz im pissed off
"
you know why? because i thought you copied SoF's pact like I INDICATED here:
00:31:45: <Don_Hanlong> the term i want is same as sof's
you changed it to "AT WAR"
didn't i say this many times already?
i already told you many times to stop pulling shenanagins.
why did you change it to at war (which is not understandable) from defending a FDP (which is understandable) if you wanted peace?
just explain to me why.. give me an honest answer.
Wow this is fluffing dumb. Anyway I'll guess I'll answer my own question. EVO was planning on warring no one last set. I know that for a fact because I designed the strats that most of EVO was using.
What does this mean? This means that hanlong is a liar and a fluff. That's why we keep calling him a lying fluff. Pretty simple to understand I think.
can we stop talking about last reset slagpit? you can scoll back like 10 pages and get your answers. let's stick to this reset for now...
You are the one who wanted to talk about everything that had been said in the past year. If you don't like people calling you out on your lying, don't fluffing lie.
I am not at all intelligent Hanlong, but so far with everything you have posted I have been able to disprove what you have said with proof within moments. You need to up your game man. You might be good with a calculator but you suck with this stuff.
Dude. You posted a lie. You were caught. It doesn't matter that you think KJ is the boogeyman and that he terrorizes all of the young children who play in LaF.
If you can't stand by what you say, stop wasting qz's bandwidth.
Because my screen wasnt big enough for the rest of it, quite clearly. The only other content of that email was the initial email I sent you containing the pact for next set. Which I posted on another thread. We signed that, then I proposed a STANDARD pact for the remainder of THIS set, which you signed. The standard pact refers to the pact you had posted in our IRC conversation and that was very clear, do not try to use the fact that we were communicating through email and IRC as an excuse.