I'm claiming victory here and moving on.

I claim it for scott. You can move on.

Because you just read "Democrat" out of that whole thing and went straight to insults...

the Jeffersonian Democrat - defined
A Jeffersonian Democrat is a true federalist, believing in a limited government, republican in form, existing only for very specific and defined functions, and with checks and balances on all levels, particularly at the State level. The States themselves should be the ultimate check on the central government, as they stand for the rights of individuals against the central government, and should be the final arbiters of the Constitution. To the Jeffersonian Democrat, the States themselves are sovereign, and only delegate certain powers to the central government for the purpose of convenience and expediency. To the Jeffersonian Democrat, the First Amendment is there to protect religion from the influence of government, not the other way around. To the Jeffersonian Democrat, an armed populace and an active press are the best deterrents against tyranny.

Reading:

"as being Godless/Communist/Socialist/Fascist/et al. "

Pretty easy to grasp. i.e. socialist is warranted when the person claims to be a socialist : )

Score one for the Libertarian Wing of the Libertarian Party!

"I'm claiming victory here and moving on."

I also see now basis for this comment just like every post you have made in this thread.

Everyone is a winner. Yay!
Goot talk gaiz.

If you had actually taken the time to read my post you would already know I have already looked up and read and fully comprehended your arguement. I paraphrased it all and none of anything you have provided supports Hillary being eugenics supporter. I also noticed you failed to provide any real evidence to support it like I asked, because you cant. All you can do is make some mere allusions and try to draw some lines between them .. when in fact you have taken it completely out of context.

I have no pals that have posted in these forums in over a year, so no idea what you are talking about. However, this explains a lot if you want to lump us all together and treat us as same person. No wonder why you seem to think Hillary IS Margaret or they are both the same. Clearly your closed mind wont actually consider anything else said.

Stryke if you really believe in limited and small government. Go to http://www.lp.org

;)

More selective reading I see...

When I said "but I don't decry someone else's opinions as being Godless/Communist/Socialist/Fascist/et al. just because they don't share the same opinion as me."

I was saying I don't go calling people Godless, Communist, Socialist or Fascist et al. (et al. being an abbreviation for the Latin et alium meaning 'and others'), just because they don't share the same opinion as me. Nevermind me being non-religious, California born, Anglo-Japanese American, married lesbian (since 12/27/13), with an honorable medical discharge from the USAF with the rank of E-6... who happens to live in Utah (which is one of the most entrenched Republican states in the Union). :P

Doesn't matter what party you elect or what system your government is. There will always be greedy evil men that will trade favors to corporations in exchange for campaign money to get elected into high positions. There will always be manipulation of the system for personal gain. There will always be greed and corruption.

People with true good values and ethics don't get into that business, and if they do, the rest of the sharks sniff them out and make sure they don't get anywhere. Bad for business.

Absolutely right. And that is precisely why The US Constitution originally gave very few powers to the Federal Government. Our founders recognized the fact that power corrupts, because they had been on the receiving end of that corruption.

Over the next couple centuries, as people forgot the reality that tyranny always follows when government is powerful, politicians conned the people of this country into giving them ever increasing power. Now we're having to relearn the lessons our founders tried to shield us from. I hope we learn soon enough that we don't have to go to the same lengths they did to throw off the yoke of tyranny.... but I doubt we will. I fear our descendants will have to pay dearly for our failure to jealously guard our liberty.

Government is like a cancer. Got to get rid of it all, or it will just grow back.

No more Chewbacca defence.

BERNIE!! :)

Why?

heh.

resurrection complete.

PS


CONGRATS ON GETTING MARRIED BACK IN 2013 STRYKE. UTAH IS A fluffHOLE. DRIVING THERE SUCKS ESP DURING LDS CHURCH CONFERENCE. GAWD DAMN ASSHOLES. fluff THE STATE LIQUOR STORE. I DONT MISS TRIPS TO EVANSTON WYOMING. SERIOUSLY UTAH SUCKS. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON PROVO. HOLY fluffING fluff!

Intrade currently has:

Democratic Party 47.0%
Republican Party 32.0%

(I know those don't add to 100%, but i think that just reflects some uncertainty)

i assume thats odds of some kind

rather than voting intention

#TrumpTrain

or women :P


*is not a Trump supporter*

Ya, I believe so

Our media over here is really anti Trump. So much that they do not discuss what Clinton stands for. I cannot tell you. There goes objective journalism. Just to be clear, I am not a Trump fan. It just Sounds that one should vote for Trump or against Trump, instead of: for Trump or for Clinton. I just wonder whether it is the same in the US.

Both candidates are garbage and clinton is favoured in the media only by bashing republicans or trump. Not by any specific policy her boogery ass wishes to sale.

Bonus

This is true. Our politics is full of graft and sell-outs.


This is idiocy. If you think "government" is the cause of all the wealth being concentrated in the hands of the mega-rich and the economy lagging, you're out to lunch. Sad!

Hi there. So...you've been a lesbian since 2013. Trying a few experiments eh? Would LOVE to know how that's going. Come find me in chat. We can talk. I am trying to get over my ultra-conservative background. Talking about your Lesbian experiences would definitely help me with that.

Hope to see you soon ;)

Lol class

ROFL

last time US citizens handed the Presidency to a Republican who had no idea what he was doing, 9/11 happened and it started this whole middle east war that led to multiple current world crisis, including migration issues, 'terrorists', and global economy meltdown.

Do you really want someone that has a worse track record than George W. Bush?

Clinton is horrible. Liar. Ugly. Stupid. Has a mullet. Her clothing us bollywood business casual. I hope she is put away in prison and washes sanitary napkins for .04 cents an hour for some zoom zooms.

screw both. bonus

https://youtu.be/51LTd6DaK7I
https://youtu.be/a9Ai1KS5GnU

Id rather have Xyle as President of the US

Gary Johnson for President!

I'm putting it down here, Florida will decide the Presidency, and in true Republican fashion, Trump wins somehow, with ballots being thrown out

Vote Xyle! The aussies have their fluff figured out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3IaKVmkXuk

Do we really want SOV to destroy the US like he destroyed this game?

*Shocked* *gasp*

Ford is right.

Breaking news from Hell.

A sudden cold front passed through the region earlier. More at 11...

LOL

I'm thinking Trumps chances went down tonight

before or after he wanted russkies to hack into clinton's emails?

I was thinking about when clinton said do you want someone who can't handle a political campaign and can be tweaked by a tweet to handle the nuclear weapons. While its being reported Trump was saying he wanted to hit the speakers at the DNC.

Since most of us here are familiar with computers, it is obvious that her e-mails have already been "hacked". Phishing spam was being sent to the contacts in her list. The info is already copied.

I wouldn't expect to see wiki dump anything but a few morsels to assure the Clinton Foundation is thoroughly investigated by the same FBI/AG that let them off the hook before.

If Russia has their hands on the 33,000+ incriminating documents, we should expect to see them AFTER Hillary is (possibly) elected. The evidence contained will be sufficient to have Clinton brought before several committees where, as her husband did so many years ago, she will lie her A$$ off, and do her best to skirt any responsibility, even at the cost of others freedom and public standing.

Why, you ask? Because following her public shaming, eventual conviction, and Impeachment, the US will fall into chaos. The masses who voted for Trump will demand he take her place, but we will be forced to consider Kaine, Hillary's VP pick. During all of this turmoil, global markets will be rocked, terrorists will unleash a FULL assault on Europe, and we basically get the beginning of the end of civilized life as we know it. Russia, being self-sufficient, and prepared will reap massive rewards and emerge as a dominating force, while pursuing its goals as we implode.

In other words, if you vote for Hillary, not only are you putting a disgusting pig of a human being in office, you will eventually be proven retarded, since most everyone voting for Trump or Sanders has pointed all of this out to you from the beginning. Her e-mail scandal is the FACTUAL EVIDENCE of her criminal behavior. Do research now before voting, and you will see the Clinton Foundation, and Hillary have been playing dirty tricks and killing people for decades. If you have any intelligence, or morals, you would NEVER vote this person in to office.

Trump does say some pretty ignorant sh!t at times, but he also makes many strong statements that speak to ACTUAL Americans. Not border jumpers, not cowards who fled their crumbling nation, not followers of the hate-based religion of Islam, not even second generation "Americans" who inherited their status from their immigrant parent/grandparent. The majority of people who argue against him are either the topics, or quote talking heads from the media that say he is a racist, a bigot, and hates women. But he is a straight white male, and has a handle on all of these topics.

Here are some realities: Most races have struggled to retain pride in themselves, and find they have to fight stereotypes that are, unfortunately, usually based on real issues in their culture and communities. All humans are bigots against other religions and races, just ask a strong believer of any faith or one race about another.
Talk to hispanics about their tolerance,you will learn they hate blacks but love whites, whereas most blacks love whites and hate hispanics. Asians try to be loved, and usually are because they are seen as neutral and low-crime, most are tolerated by all. People of the middle east are viewed by most here (and Europe) as a threat, and a constant reminder of fear and terror. Nobody walks past one without considering why they feel that way, even if they PRETEND not to.
As far as hating women, it is not the case at all. For straight males, we LOVE women, usually their bodies mostly. Emotionally they are unstable and difficult to deal with, so there will always be friction, but you have to take the good with the bad if you want anything to do with them. Because of this, and a few other reasons, women are not taken seriously as equals in most fashions. It is not hate, but a lack of respect. This is the primary argument by feminist, equality and respect. Unfortunately, that will never happen.

Do your research, and you will understand I speak the truth. Nobody likes to hear it, but the smart ones will listen and act accordingly.

So your saying the only real option is johnson got it. Becuase electing Trump is inviting WWIII. And as you've mentioned Clinton has her own issues. But how can we convince enough people to vote Johnson to save the world I ask?

What about Trump causes WWIII? The other superpowers , China and Russia, have both shown a willingness to negotiate results with Trump, whereas they know Clinton and her surrogates will negotiate and flip-flop forever. Obama hasn't gotten us anywhere, and Hillary is only going to continue down the same path.

And fantasizing that there are any options other than Trump or Clinton relegates you to the short bus.

Trump is 100% out for trump he will destroy alliances and cuase friction in any and all international negotiations. He has 0 actual plans. His business record is rife with lawsuits becuase hes truly a failure. He has 0 attention span. He also has the thinnest skin i've ever seen on a grown human being. If you look at his actions hes suffering at least 3 personality disorders. He in no way could possibly run the country in a way that didn't result in conflict. And if conflict were to happen it wouldn't be with a country like libya, afghanistan, or Iraq. Thus leading to WWIII becuase it would be another major power.

Putin, the leader of Russia, has openly declared he would negotiate with Trump. He is of the impression, and rightly so, that Trump would rather negotiate a firm deal, than spend 8 years talking about bullsh!t. Hillary has already demonstrated she can in no way be trusted to work out a fair and honest agreement. With Russia willing to work with us, by proxy, we gain leverage over Syria, Turkey, Iran, and North Korea, all of which Russia currently dominates, and China will be forced to the table as we are 100% their benefactor. As far as 0 plans, he's stated quite clearly that unchecked immigration cannot continue, saturating the US with hateful radicals, and MILLIONS of refugees, and also preventing the selling out of the nation with ruinous trade deals is most certainly a clear description of plans laid bare. For people who understand his tactics, and other Nationalistic leaders like him, it's a "We come first" mentality, and it's easy to employ and interpret. It's why China and Russia have taken as much control, and we have become so diminished. It's why Iran, Saudi Arabia, and OPEC do as they please. WE have given up our power and dominance for the ability to be seen as peaceful and tolerant. That is not the world we live in, and it never will be.

Yea, lets all get in bed with Russia and China and give a big middle finger to those countries who actually like us, or at least want to work with us and not wipe us off the map. Hell, throw in North Korea and we are golden!!

Trump would love to cause WWIII. I hate the man, and that is not a word I use very much.