I'm gonna go ahead and say what everybody else not involved in war is thinking, #808 = LaF.

Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times did LaF immediately jump on this guy as soon as he finished attacking. There wasn't even a delay of 10 seconds.

Oct 30/12 4:10:07 PM PS Oppa phx style (#7) (LaF) Parish (#808) (LCN) 1357 A (+0 A)
Oct 30/12 4:10:05 PM SS Parish (#808) (LCN) Nexus (#829) (ICN) 14 A (+0 A)

2 second gap

Oct 29/12 3:49:11 PM PS Oppa phx style (#7) (LaF) Parish (#808) (LCN) 801 A (+0 A)
Oct 29/12 3:49:05 PM SS Parish (#808) (LCN) No Strings Attached (#87) (SOLband) 19 A (+0 A)

6 second gap

Oct 28/12 7:44:34 PM SS Parish (#808) (LCN) CleverPretendTheme (#623) (SancT) 27 A (+0 A)
Oct 28/12 7:44:27 PM PS Oppa phx style (#7) (LaF) Parish (#808) (LCN) 633 A (+0 A)
Oct 28/12 7:44:10 PM SS Parish (#808) (LCN) CleverPretendTheme (#623) (SancT) 27 A (+0 A)

Didn't even wait for him to finish, LaF jumped in 2 hits before he stopped.

Oct 27/12 7:26:03 PM PS Oppan L U N A R Style (#258) (LaF) Parish (#808) (LCN) 572 A (+0 A)
Oct 27/12 7:26:01 PM SS Parish (#808) (LCN) No Strings Attached (#87) (SOLband) 152 A (+14 A)

2 seconds.


You can't say you're watching the news, because you time it so perfectly that he stops seconds before you guys rape him for land. It's clearly one of your members running a landfarm. But running landfarms, and farming others tags so your tag can scoop up the land and two step your way to a top finish is pretty cheap.

I'm sure you're going to deny it. Want to drop our pact. War us. Do whatever you gotta do. But this is 100% grade A bullfluff and I'm not afraid to call you out on it.

Love Always,

Thomas

Oppa phx style (#7) (LaF) - 14705 Acres Gained

On three different occassions of immediately farming him. I'm sure he deserves all that land, and the #1 finish.

RDesque playing right there.

LCN = Laf?

Shocking

It's not LCN's tag. LCN = LCNostra. This is a fake tag. Look at the news. Pretty overwhelming.

probably the same guy whos been using fake tags all set.

Ah, even better

why not just kill it?

anybody can willingly run a landfarm, thats not against the rules as long as its a person.

If this guy was farming untaggeds, fine.

But he's farming LaF allies. Then LaF steps in and farms him immediately after he's finished.

#808 doesn't lose, as he clearly doesn't care.

LaF allies lose. And those who are also netgaining lose as well.

I thought most of the 14-year-olds had left this game.

you act like LaF are the only ones who do that.

Thomas, if you haven't seen it already, LaF are hardcore DR and news campers. There are folks who idle in IRC most of the day to see attacking news flow through our news bot. I'm not surprised.

im suprised that the same guy does it within seconds 4 days in a row tho

And just add 2 stepping clauses :D

he has him set on his highlights probably.

Ya ? Hitting a country in 2 seconds ( hell - make that 20 ) is like waiting with the target number filled up in the war room and just sitting with /Patience/ 24/24 waiting for the target to hit.

For me it is clear as blue sky that is a landfarm and that my dog is smarter than the Laf owner.

It's a 4 hour window, you find it suspect that someone that wants to win would camp news for at least 4 hours a day?

I am going to take a small step and assume Thomas, archaic, Alin, and Ivan have never won in alliance.

Also Alin you don't get to keep calling people cheaters after being busted for cheating.

ಠ_ಠ lol, really? herp derp

Anyway, whoever runs it (it probably belongs to PDM!!!11oneone), it's not against the rules. If you take such offense to folks playing this game according to the rules, you can kill it?

To be fair its either 2 option
1) return the land + reps
2) Delete both country

These country needs to learn
1) Not to cheat
2) Treat others fair as everyone put effort in building the country
3) Attack used their own ability to hunt, not by taking advantage.

My opinion is clan which have pacts with Laf should consider adding clause to the policy. If it result as cheating as above, the whole are allow to set those country participate as FARM target with no question ask.

He sent a single EM at him, obviously hes a legit newscamper at all those different times of the day!!

You kidding wright ? Sof and Rd will kill/break pacts/hunt any alliance who will call out Laf for cheating.

Laf apologizes.

Only Evo is allowed to two step. Only Evo is allowed to grief.

Laf apologizes for believing themselves to be allowed to use the same tactics as Evo. They were clearly unaware of Evo's patent of these tactics, and the sanctity of intellectual property.

Don't give away all the secrets.

If any allies feel wronged I'm sure you know how to get in contact with us. Otherwise commence trolling.

im sure sof and rd will do the right thing.
Else its up to the admin to investigate this and see if its worth deleting them. If this continue, im pretty sure soon or later, player will decrease and move on to other game.

It would be extremely difficult even for the landtraders to compete against a country thats effectively been given 15k of other peoples acres for free. Must be pretty disappointing even for other LaF members who are trying hard to bottomfeed and make a decent country.

Unless there is a double standard about accusations of cheating, then you will be banned for this post, Alin.

sure - call Sov in, he`ll do that for you.

Do i look like i care ? haha. I stoped carring for this game full of stupid cheaters and their supporters.

yet you continue to post more than most people.

very much so! you troll them with such tenacity!

once / month - i do. Especially when in a 1 week window more than 4 Laf members are cheating on 2 different servers ( Express and Alliance).

Don`t know the status on other servers but i am 100% sure there are more.

This is clearly not a case of camping the news. This is organized. Look at the time difference on how quickly #7 starts hitting. And the guy stops farming as soon as he jumps in. They are in contact. This is organized. Just foolish this guy organized hits against LaF allies in order to get a quick 12k land.

Interestingly, primary has been soiled by players who play primary like it is team server. After repeated attempts to get these players deleted for team play, LaF used these cheaters actions against them, after being told that such actions were not cheating, and that these players could not be deleted.

However, when LaF players used these tactics to defend primary against cheaters, LaF players were deleted for the very actions that they had been told were legal to use.

And the person deleting the Laf players is a person with a known hatred of LaF, and deleted countries that were well known on both the B&S board and the Primary board to be countries run by Laf players.

LaF has been very strict about achievements on individual servers needing to be achieved by an individual, not by a team. It is alliances like iMag that play as a team on individual servers, not LaF (with the exception of LaF's first attempt to play as a team on an individual server, which got them deleted by an imag mod). I quit express because of the actions of imag players doing group kill runs on innocent countries, and the moderators not doing anything about it. It was round 84 of express, if you wish to look up the news - over a dozen countries were killed that set.

I can also vouch for how militant LaF is about trying to convince themselves that netting achievements on alliance server should be an individual achievement, and not a team achievement. Having your own personal landfarm goes completely against LaF's philosophy of individual achievement.

If you want to target an alliance for cheating, LaF is not the rational target. Then again, no one has ever accused you of being rational.

It isn't clear to me that it isn't a case of watching the news.

You point to the gap between the last hit and the first laf hit as evidence of it being "too quick to be news camping" this is an incredibly simple minded analysis of events.

People don't notice the hits occurring once the last hit occurs, they notice when the first hit occurs. As such we aren't talking about a few seconds of response time we are talking about a few minutes.

Provide proof, or shut the fluff up.

Even if it isn't newscamping, its still not against the rules. At least it isn't against the rules when Evo does it.

Lmao. Dude stop lieing and get some reality sense. I play 2 EE servers ( Express and Alliance). On both Laf members ( and leaders ) are cheating. In express Laf members are playing in team - in 1a; well we all know what`s going in 1a starting with hanlong and ending with this.

And I stopped reading right there.

Because everyone knows that LaF doesn't have allies. They have 1) lapdogs, 2) farmland and 3) farmland to be killed by lapdogs.

I have a slew of actual evidence (compared to your evidence free rants) that collaborates what Rockman says.

So... your move, big guy.

Lol

I would expect LaF to defend it. As if they would come out and admit that they organized these hits. Anybody with half a brain knows it was planned. I don't care how often you camp the news, you aren't going to jump on this guy 3 straight times before anybody else on the server and be the only one to get the big gains. It's not going to happen.

My move ? You think i will gain proofs of Laf cheating when there are all free there ? Go check express where 3 or more lafers are letting each-other leeching tech and offensive. Go check EE history in the last 2 years when not only the Supreme Leader was caught cheating. Check #7 news ... There you go.

You really asking me this - seriously ? You think i`ll waste my time proving you something the whole comunity knows ( except Laf and Sof leadership who choose to ignore it ).

You don't know how probability works do you Thomas?

Check the other thread on this very forum about how 50% SDI only blocked 3 out of 9 missiles, and what the chances are for blocking on 1 out of 9 under the same scenario.

This post illustrates that you have no clue how newscamping works. You are posting the time from when the target does his last attack to when Laf grabs him, not from when he does his first attack to when Laf grabs him.

If you are newscamping, then it is the first attack which is what will trigger your alerts, not the last attack. At least not the way Laf newscamps. Maybe at sanct, you have a future predicting bot that only posts news once a target is done attacking, and due to its ability to predict the future, it will always know when a target is done attacking, and then will immediately post the news, without having to wait for 15 or 30 seconds to make sure that the target really is done attacking.

I'm guessing that you know that it is the time from the first attack by the suicider to the first attack grabbing the suicider that matters, not the time from the last attack by the suicider to the first attack by the person grabbing the suicider. I think you are being deliberately misleading and deliberately foolish, rather than being that genuinely dumb. But I am open to the possibility that I am wrong.

The time from the last attack by the suicider to the first attack by the person farming him is relevant if you wish to prove that they are run by the same person. Which would actually be cheating. But the information you posted, including when the person farming him started before the suicider was done and the extremely short time intervals between grabs is basically proof that this accusation is false.

So all we are left with is an accusation from you about shady tactics, where you post deliberately misleading information to try and backup this accusation, and then Alin jumping on and claiming that your deliberately misleading information is proof of cheating, despite the fact that the evidence you've posted is nearly conclusive proof that the only possible rule being broken here is not actually being broken.

that isn't proof alin, it is more proof-free ranting.

What hanlong did has no bearance on what is happening now, unless you are intersted in having all of SOL's past indiscretions hung around your neck as well.

LaF haters gon' hate LaF

Wrong! I`ll hate anyone else who`ll be in Laf position at a given point ...

Said the cheater.

Does Alin hate sol for cheating?

http://alliance.www.earthempires.com/...mp;round=3&show-all=1

http://www.eestats.com/alliance/oldcountry/83/282
http://www.eestats.com/alliance/oldcountry/83/396
http://www.eestats.com/alliance/oldcountry/83/400

They find out bug that lets them shoot infinite chems. Instead of reporting bug to admins they use it to kill NA countries.

Haha. QQ.

One of those countries was Alin's. What a cheater. It's no wonder he got deleted in express.

rockman already started trolling before you gave your permission. make him a bambino again - that'll teach the troll!

Enjoy your ban with Alin. I don't hate LaF. I am glad to know you seem to know me so well. OH ....fyi imag has 1 player in primary. Not "PLAYERS"

Okay Rockman, I'll play along.

First Group of Attacks

Oct 27/12 5:08:38 PM ~ First Hit
Oct 27/12 5:09:20 PM ~ Last Hit
Oct 27/12 5:09:27 PM ~ #7's (LaF) First Hit

He made 7 attacks in 42 seconds, an average of 6 seconds per attack. #7 attacked 7 seconds after his last attack. How did he know he was done? #7 had 49 seconds to see the first attack, find out who it was, login, figure out the break and hit. Not likely, but okay, I'll play along.

Total Land gained by #7: 3,358 Acres


Second Group of Attacks

Oct 27/12 7:24:06 PM ~ First Hit
Oct 27/12 7:26:01 PM ~ Last Hit
Oct 27/12 7:26:03 PM ~ #258's (LaF) First Hit

So perhaps this isn't just #7 after all. He just appears to be the main benefactor in this. #258 joins in 2 seconds after the last attack. He made 12 attacks in 1 minute 55 seconds, an average of almost 10 seconds per attack. Certainly enough time for someone to jump in and hit this guy. Instead, #258 jumps in after his last hit, 2 seconds after the last hit. Nearly 2 minutes to jump in and he hits 2 seconds after he is completely done. Coincidence? Not likely. But hey, I'll keep playing.

Total Land Gained by #258: 3,001 Acres


Third Group of Attacks

Oct 28/12 7:42:51 PM ~ First Hit
Oct 28/12 7:44:35 PM ~ Last Hit
Oct 28/12 7:44:27 PM ~ #7's (LaF) First Hit

#7 hits 8 seconds before the last hit this time. This was #808's most extensive group of attacks all at one time, in which it appears as though #7 was a little quick on the trigger. Must've gotten excited about all this free land. #7 then waits 10 seconds for him to finish his attacks. 8 seconds pass by, #808 finishes, 10 seconds pass by, #7 is farming. #7 is able to hit an additional 10 times in a span of 6 seconds. It's pretty obvious there wasn't a delay in his hitting. He just jumped the gun. The 17 second delay in #808's third to last hit and #7's first hit could be played down as #7 thought #808 was done. But why not jump in after the 24 second delay a few attacks prior?

Total Land Gained by #7: 2,811 Acres

Oct 28/12 7:45:00 PM EM Parish (#808) (LCN) Oppa phx style (#7) (LaF) 4356 MU

That really fooled us. #808 must be an enemy from the single EM he threw at #7.


Fourth Group of Attacks

Oct 29/12 3:47:36 PM ~ First Hit
Oct 29/12 3:49:05 PM ~ Last Hit
Oct 29/12 3:49:11 PM ~ #7's (LaF) First Hit

So we're still playing the coincidence game. On a side note, it's sunny outside. I thought Hurricane Sandy was supposed to do more than this. Anyways, back on task: 13 attacks by #808 in 1 minute 29 seconds. 6 seconds after he's done, #7 is back hitting him again. Man this guy is good. I wonder if there are similar crystal balls on eBay. #808 had large gaps of 18 seconds, 18 seconds, 11 seconds, 10 seconds, 22 seconds in between attacks. #7 didn't jump in then, as #808 was still attacking, obviously. 6 seconds after #808 is done, #7 is on him again.

Total Land Gained by #7: 6,072 Acres


Fifth Group of Attacks

Oct 30/12 4:09:03 PM ~ First Hit
Oct 30/12 4:10:05 PM ~ Last Hit
Oct 30/12 4:10:07 PM ~ #7's (LaF) First Hit

So we had 19 attacks this time, in a span of 1 minute, 2 seconds. An average of 3 seconds per attack. But #7 magically knew (that god damned crystal ball on eBay) #808 was going to be finished at 4:10:05 PM and he's get his first of many hits in 2 seconds after he was good. This guy is just a model of perfect timing.

Total Land Gained by #7: 6,539 Acres

Total Land Gained by LaF: 21,781 Acres

I'm sure that land won't come in handy when it comes time to final NW or for LaF's Average NW.

My question is, why only have one of these countries? With as many countries in your tag, it would stand to be much more beneficial if you had 5-10 of these guys so you could really crank the NW. You wouldn't even have to grab other tags anymore.

Props to #7. Fastest camper in the west. Dude beats out every other camper in the game. Speed kills.