This thread reminds me of the old practice of running seperate tags for "training"or killteam and then cross retaling.

I remember MD did it a few times, genesis too with genkill.

i was in minimonks for a while

but i think that was something about a split between 3D and charly1i

'ello ex-clan mates. It's fasatime!

I don't want Utopia.

Here is what I don't get: if everyone hates laf why don't you band together and tag kill them every set?

LaFs had a bit of experience with that type of thing. ALC1, ALC2 & ALC3 for starters.

I'm not saying that we havint gained any new members from other alliances/people coming back that weren't in LaF before.

I'm saying that the members we are gaining from those avenues are only enough to counter balance the retirements we have every round or possibly even a little less.

Thus if that was the only way we were gaining members, our membership would be fairly flat or even have a 1 -3 member per reset decline. It is the half dozen or so old vets we hoodwink into coming back every reset that has keep us at a 2 - 4 country per reset growth rate over the last few rounds.

People do it all the time. You do not join a match on any first person shooter where the other team is full and your's only has two or three players. When that occurs, players often back out or just leave trying to find a different server where the teams are equally matched.

You can take 20 of the best players in this game and then pit them against 73 other countries and see how it turns out. Nine times out of ten, the side with nearly four times the amount of players is going to win. Skill has nothing to do with anything in a game based purely on mathematical equations. If all players from the 73 member alliance log on and participate in the warchat, then that is approximately 8700 turns. As opposed to the side with only 20, then they only have 2400. Mathematically, it is IMPOSSIBLE to win.



Sure there are more games to play that have prettier pictures or more novel concepts, but those are things that an invididual cannot do while they are at work/school away from the Xbox, PS3, WoW, etc. I primarily played from work prior to being on vacation because it is something to do to pass the time. Most individuals only need roughly 20 minutes to run their turns (or less). The bottom line of the game is this: it's not time consuming and it's fun. I don't have to sit here spending hours upon hours waiting on members of my raid party to figure out how to down a boss that has been downed four million times before-- been there, done that.

You sound awfully familiar.

How so?

Moo

I"m almost wiling to bet that 25 LaF members that was war prepped and had FS, would take out 40 LaF members that wasn't war prepped and didn't have a single turn saved.

Actually, we should do that, internal war.

Numbers dont neccesarily mean fluff. I remember huge huge RAGE tags that went to war vs lean smaller tags and got eviscerated. If all you can do is complain about someone else's legitimate success then you probably should just join then because you aren't good enough to challenge them.

Size doesn't matter, *points at ARROW*

I can name a few wars where the odd were strongly against the winner, on a country count basis.

Genesis vs rage, LaF vs ALC1

the common theme in those wars is that they happened 10 years ago, when the game was alot more chaotic.

Am I missing something or is the game fundamentally different then 10 years ago? It really seems like exactly the same game to me.

Well, enough kicking a dead horse. Just so long as the people who can actually implement the change realize it's a bad idea, I guess we can't expect everyone else to understand why it wouldn't work out....

TOM - it is, just with less people playing because of the neglect it suffered for the better part of the last decade. Some people just haven't figured that out yet, and need a bad guy to blame.

20,000 less players, less turns, less skill as people didn't have 10 yrs to hone skills..

needless to say i'm against limited tags.

actually more turns than 10 years ago.
:P

was it tourney that had 30 minute turns? I can't remember which server that was, but it was ghhhheeeeeyyyy!

used to be 40 minute turns in 1A... over nearly a 3 month reset