I could not watch on news how meeting with the Press went. What are peoples thoughts on the possible war?

Wouldn't lead to a war, and Israel has done it before, so why wouldn't they do it again? I would

Israel has done what before ?
If Israel attacks Iran their idiots, that is going to be a 10-15 year war gauranteed.

Not even sure if it's a war Israel could win. Iran is a VERY prideful country. When you attack them they come together instantly.

I am Persian, so I guess I'm biased. (I think the president is a nut)

I am sure most here agree with you when you say you think the Pres is a nut. However, Iran has made it clear they want to destroy the nation of Israel. That is a fact. Knowing that, how could Istarel not be justified to hit them first? I have no doubt they could beat Iran. The problem would be how big the war would escalate. Remember, Israel is the only nation there who has the nuke currently. That means they can not be totally defeated without destroying the country killing them.

Clearly the best solution for the world would be for a Nuke free Iran. I only wonder why China and Russia do not put more pressure on Iran to give it up. When Saddam called the USA's bliff he paid a bitter price. Bin Laden did as well. I do not understand what the leaders of Iran are thinking. Even if Obama does nothing, once we elect a new press the new pres will act for sure. An Nuclear Iran would be a disaster for the world.

I don`t think this is only Israel Ws Iran. China has tight connections with Iran - and won`t let those just go.

And i also don't think Iran having nuclear is a disaster - just that they can not be threated as they are now.

Btw, where are those mass destrucion weapons from Irak ( ya know the reason why the war started ) :). I really can't bite this propaganda again - even if it is true.

When we elect a new pres? Obama is the Pres for the next 5 years lol if you think anyone else has a shot this election. In 5 years Israel has either attacked Iran or Iran is a nuclear power...heck in 2 years that is probably the case from most reports right?

As for what the leaders of Iran are thinking, just look at Libya...that seems a pretty good argument for not giving up nuclear ambitions.

Wait, so Ivan is bullying someone into FSing him?

Er, I mean Iran....

we should Nuke the middle east and be done with this fluff

and yeah I would start with Israel/Jerusalem

No "Holy" City, no Holy war.

No "Holy" ground, No basis to war.

Israel isn't too busy beating up the Palestinians over land?

^^^
+1

Which prez is a nut ours or Iran's?

Will our prez stab Isreal in the back?

if war does happen i would hope it would stay Israel vs. Iran.

like ( example ) - rd vs icn - then rd calls in a fdp, so icn calls in a fdp and now we have US. vs. China or some fluff

the USA has an unbreakable uNAP with China for 2 more sets

Yup but there are some hidden clauses ...

Sorry Boltar xxx

i say let them have nukes iran i mean....then let them wipe isreal off the map as there president said so many times before....then let isreal wipe iran off the map with there USA made nuclear weapons that they say they dont have but they do. 2 problems solved at once in my opinion

Nostradamus.

+bonus

Both and yes he already has and he will do again.

^^( it's not sunday yet )

This is kinda true. China wants no fight with us because without USA buying all their cheap crap they have no economy and their people starve. Also, if the USA fought China we would no longer have to pay them back. Really a win win for the US if you think on it. I mean no payback and no more cheap crap + we would then have lots of jobs in the US. Only 2 billion problems for us to deal with before that.

I was referring to the fact that Israel has attacked a hostile neighbors nuclear program before. They destroyed the reactor that France gave Iraq back in the day with a clandestine F-16 strike, infact the first time that airframe was used in combat, but I digress.

I have no bout that Isreal will do whatever it takes to protect themselves regardless of their allies opinion when it comes down to it, and I don't blame them. They are and have been surrounded by hostile nations and have adapted their policy to said enviroment.

LMFAO!!!!!!! lets see...300M americans vs 1.3B chinese...uhm...ya....china wins :p

That's an incredibly stupid and simplistic look at numbers. I hope you don't truely believe what you just said.

Way wrong and you are nuts if you believe that. First i assume we are talking a conventional war- no nukes used. That being said, China cannot reach the USA. Our nave would easily stop them. Second, we do have more than 2 bill bullets. Our tech would for sure come into play. We can and would win the air war but it would eb far to costly to think this would be a fast or easy war. The way the USA would win is simple but takes time. We could block any goods traveling by sea to China with our navy. Then with air and missile strikes we would halt any land advance they have at rivers. Finally, we would destroy their food sources, thus starving them into submission. Would not be fast or easy and millions would die but could be done and in 5 short years. Remember China is not rich in natural resources like the USA. They have lots of people but that could go against them in war time.

God willing our world will have another 100 years of peace. Last thing we need is a world war.

Reality is, we all die, it'll lead to ICBM exchange :(

Ford: you missed the part where Israel also attacked US ships in the past.
I have no doubts Israel will take a shot at Iran, but I suspect it could get messy in a hurry.


As for Iraq/Afghanistan: the US intervention in BOTH these countries has left them completely destabilised, where bombings, shootings and the like are now a daily occurrence. The WMD's that were supposedly in Iraq have never turned up, and I'm pretty sure the US have already admitted to lying about things to justify their attack. in Afghanistan, the Taliban (who were put into power on the back of US supplies etc for fighting the russians) were telling the US they didn't know where Bin Laden was, but that wasn't good enough for good ole George W.

if y'all keep trying to blow up my world, i'm a have to get drunker and call y'all a bunch of names.

persia doesn't exist.

us navy destroys china before their 1.3billion people come into play.

war between china and america is bad for america, without them buying their debt, america has trouble paying for it's military to function, doesn't it?

and yes, isreal will attack iran. at least i think they should if they continue to make strides towards nukes

Israel shouldn't have been there to begin with...

someone invent time travel and stop that from happening...

god it was easy to give them land in Europe to make the Jewish nation, but they had to be shortsighted and give them a piece of land owned by someone else, in the middle of a contested zone with they would obviously have to expand sooner rather than later.

Now we have to deal with this mess created by idiots.

Nothing worth humankind attention is made in the middle east, so I'll say we turn that place into a radioactive smoldering desert and be done with it, purification by fire we shall call it.

israel should attack if needed, and its close to needed.. jesus christ, they do not have a true delivery system that we know of at this time... but hell they can strap one on a camel and walk it to israel...
this has to be handled.. usa to support israel... the world to never be the same after they have nuclear capabilities, and then a delivery system...

I still don't understand why USA or anyone HAS to support Israel...

normally you support another country because you need something from it, or its existence has helped you at a point or the other, wtf does Israel provides?

Honestly I just don't understand why everyone has to protect Israel, is obvious they are the ones looking for a fight for decades, so why protect them? why fight for them? what is to be gained?

I just can't look at any moment in time in with Israel has been a good ally, they even attacked American Forces at one point...

I just don't understand...

but they aren't looking for a fight, they are looking to defend themselves against those who publicly state they intend to cause them harm.


(besides, to keep jerusalem out of muslim rule, of course.)

wait whut?

who where the aggressors in the 6 day war?

anyways what is to be gained from being allies of Israel?

Original question, short answer: Yes.

AIPAC and the Jewish-American vote?

-_-

really?

For one moment, I'd like to play the role of Israel in the months and days leading up to the 6 Day War.

Do I:

Watch the Arab opposition arm and ready themselves and wait for them to attack?

Watch the Arab opposition arm and ready themselves, but press the one possible advantage that any nation can take (that of the First Strike)? There are very few parts of this game that are directly accurate to real life, but the idea that a First Strike can be a deciding factor in a conflict is one of them.

All told, Israel was pretty evenly matched with the Arab nations, but they were surrounded (for all intents and purposes). In that war, the advantage and quite likely the victory would have gone to the Arabs (barring US intervention) if they had struck first.

Let me simplify Israel's decision: strike first or die?

Doesn't take a genius to decide between striking first and dying.


As to what Israel provides the US: INTELLIGENCE!



As to Obama still being president after this election: If that's the case, then the chances of a US Constitutional Convention might actually grow to possible. How long do people think the states are going to sit by while a group of morons in Washington, D.C. continually erode their rights and the sovereignty entrusted to them by the people of their state and the people of the nation collectively? Obama brought change alright; he made Washington infinately worse than it ever was under Bush. Let the states that want to experiment with socialism experiment with it so that the people who want socialism can pay for it themselves! The rest of us can live in states that want nothing to do with socialism or in states that include only the level of government intrusion that we want.


FTR: My opinion only, this is not a reflection of Omega's beliefs.

love how Israel is always made out to be the perpetual victim...
You should really look into some of the fluff that gets spouted by their (Israel's) politicians.
The whole Palestine situation is of Israel's causing and continuance.

OMEGA SUPPORTS IRAN!!!

+100 Angel1...

Very well said.

iScode, even the Iranians do not support Iran. Iran only has 2 supporters. First, the government of Iran. Second, the one guy doing all he can to sabotage Israel's self defense and thus empowering Iran- Obummer.

and why does everyone in there hates Israel?


let me put it like this

If everyone in your neighbor hates you, there is a very good chance that you AREN'T a good neighbor, is not that everyone else is a bad neighbor, is just you, you are the problem and you are the one that needs to either adapt and change or move the fluff out.


Now going by a nations point of view, if you can't play nice with your neighbors countries and AT least have half of them on friendly terms, then you deserve every bit of pain they give you, if by dropping Israel and allying the rest I get better economical terms and more economical stability then why not do it? I am sure Israel wouldn't be as foolishly daring, aggressive and ballsy if they where the ones getting sanctioned to oblivion for being overly aggressive, and Iran wouldn't even rush to get nuclear power because there wouldn't be a problem with Israel to begin with.

"In early November, 1966, Syria signed a mutual defense agreement with Egypt"

Seems like it was a coalition to deal with the aggressive assholes, with is what was done in this very server a few sets ago, I can't find fault in the actions of Syria or Egypt, they where getting ready to deal with an aggressive Israel, or at least that is what I seem to be reading.

#unnecessary

Yes. But there's a difference between a person being a bad neighbour because they host loud parties late at night, always honk their horn and keep their front lawn unkempt or someone being a bad neighbour because their name is Bob. Israel is a bad neighbour not because of their actions but because they're Jews. Imagine Black people being bequeathed some land in the middle of Virginia in the 1700s to call their own country. You'd have some pretty pissed off neighbours.

Well said Hawkeyee. Noone's hands are entirely clean in this conflict, but that's the nature of this type of conflict and not a reflection of true guilt or innocence of anyone.

That being said, there are people who have a legitimate position in the fight and those that have none. Israel, the Palistinians, the Egyptians, Jordanians, etc. have legitimate positions in this fight. Iran doesn't have a legitimate position in this fight. The United States does not have a legitimate position in this fight. Russia should not be in this fight. China should stay out of the fight. Iran, the US, Russia, China, and other powerful nations in the region and in the world should be using the pressure that they can mount to push for a peaceful resolution to the legitimate fight between Israel and their neighbors.

For the most part, the US has done this. Heavy handed though the US has been in being the threat that keeps the peace (more or less), we haven't supported (on a continual basis) the terrorist murder of Palistinians in the conflict. We haven't preached the death of the Arab nations. We haven't even said that Iran should be destroyed (then Senator Clinton did say that Iran needs to understand that we can obliderate them, but not that we should or that we should have to). Iran's current regime has made it their objective to destroy Israel.

Will Israel attack Iran? Yes, if they have to. Will it escalate? Probably. Would Russia actually back Iran in a fight with the US? Doubtful. Would China actually back Iran in a fight with the US? Only if they had decided that a fight with the US was inevitable and they might as well fight it over this as anything else; possible, but doubtful. Would the Arab world unite with Iran to fight Israel? Not a chance in the world. Shia controlled Iraq would have to choose between supporting Iran and living to be a united Iraq another day. Saudi Arabia is no friend to Iran and would either stay neutral or pick their own fight with Iran. Turkey? Turkey would seek the quickest end to the conflict possible so that Iraq can be stable and the Kurds in their country don't get the idea to actually attempt to form a new country with the Iraqi Kurds and the Iranian Kurds.

Israel vs Iran is just not in the interest of the vast majority of the Middle East, so it makes sense for Israel to attack Iran rather than letting them go Nuclear and then have to deal with Iran on a more equal footing. Push comes to shove, Iran is isolated; Israel is not.

Well I'm not bias, all you have to remember is the 6 day war, Israel will clean Iran up and still have 5 days up their sleeve, American will jump in or aid Israel, because of the illuminati families are jewish, then America will claim Iran's oil fields as payment.

Angel1: I agree with the above.

However, there is an additional piece stirring - the chance that the US will take military action in Syrian and how that might overlap (conveniently) with Israeli action in Iran.

errr thats wrong, I support Iran. So thats three supporters.

People like John Minto made me do it!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...orld-middle-east-17115643

Decent analysis of a lone Israeli strike.