There have been quite a few 600-700 hit kills with no walling involved :P

As I have outlined to qz in our lengthy discussion on IRC, attacking is currently broken in a big way.

BR takes almost half the amount of hits to kill than GS and as a result GS is now redundant as is the need to carry a large amount of troops. I do not think the consequence of this latest change is part of the intention.

I believe this needs to be hotfixed to be balanced asap.

I think that's the intent though, I haven't seen one but I would assume then that fast kill + high pop.



Haven't seen a GS either! I guess I know why ;p

That certainly sounds broken. If intentional that is crazy, BR was already better, why not just remove troops then.

Yea, we're looking at this, want to test it in alpha a bit first

wasnt is kinda obvious, since 2 GS at minimum = 1 BR at minimum and most of hits in fast runs is at minimum?

There has always been a difference between GS & BR; but double wasn't our intent; this might be partially due to it being early in the set, but still

If you hotfix it, as long as you give 48 hours notice of the hotfix prior to making the actual hotfix then I think there should be no issue with that. The 48 hours will give players and Alliances ample opportunity to prepare for the change being made.

It is very broken and needs to be balanced to make war less 1 dimensional.

At this point it would not be fair to change in middle of the war. There are obviously certain alliances who have already gone turret/jet heavy due to the analysis of the newly implemented system. Just wait for next set imo

I think the number on both sides of the war who went turret/jet heavy is pretty even. But the implications for this change are much bigger than just the war.

the whole war mechanic is sort of flawed to begin with in this day and age. a summation of strength + binary break/no-break mechanic which then triggers different pop-kill returns depending on attack type will keep war a numbers and spamming game rather than anything overly strategic. especially as the ability to optimize when we make changes takes aout 45 minutes :p

if we're leaving it til next round, we may as well work on a brand new mechanic.

leave the fluffing mechanic alone and start working on getting more ppl in game.

Huzzah Pang!!! I always thought the binary system was weird.

"You sent 2 million jets into the country! They were all shot down by turrets and not a single building was destroyed or a single person killed!"

"You sent 2,000,001 jets into the country! You broke through and destroyed 500 buildings and killed 20,000 people!"

Its really weird.

Well it isn't a 1-jet difference, it's at least a distribution =/

true, we've done some things to update the mechanic

and @ duna -> game improvements are required to attract and, more importantly, retain players. :)

I just meant the difference between "break" and "defense held"... I'm sure you get the idea. ;)

How much new players you got from all this mechanic changes?

You are confusing cause and effect. First you need to get new players and only then you need to retain them.

The main reason wars are different is hitting 140%+ nw used to be max popkilled% with the 10-30% bracket being very small.

Think having the big countries break then save turns because they killed next to no pop with the restarts finishing kills.

Thats why wars tended to flatten out when the losers were about 1/3 the networth of the winners. Because turns to kill got way longer for the winners.

Making the turns to kill even (as now) yet increasing losses from the winners will only have an effect if the winners economy is insufficient to sustain a slight increase in costs. The only real effect from that id expect is to make walling with low nw more effective for stats whores.

enshula, was that the set shortly after the move to EC where you could easily kill countries with only 2 people? if so I don't think those changes lasted more than a set or 2.

No, the game was like that for years.

The special attack return brackets were the same as landgrabbing so you might recall it as when topfeeds got way more land than a retal got back.

great