The forum rules clearly state that posting the results of spy ops is illegal.
Last set we all learned from the forum that #11 was 80% jets and 20% turrets.
After that information was posted, #11 got hit five times, five. (According to Earthgraphs)(check it out yourselves)
Previous to that post only one other country had hit #11, one.
Two of the hits were by people who hit almost no one else. Coincidence? I think not.
Two of the hits bounced but his weakened defenses were finally overcome and he lost thousands of acres, thousands.

Would he have won or perhaps double tapped the eventual "winner" thus changing the outcome? We may never know.
Congratulations to the winner for getting this information out there on the forum where it could be put to good use and secure the win.

BUT

Can we please make sure this never happens again?
I know not to tell the mods how to do their jobs but can we please be on the look out for this type of shenanigans?
From now on, can we have resets where we are not all left wondering what might have happened but for the illegal posting of this information?

Mods, thanks for your volunteer efforts and we all trust that you will prevent the recurrence of this hemorraghic holocaust.

TL & DR

Mod activity is lacking I dont think ive ever seen someone punished for a forum post although some info shouldn't be posted. However the 80/20 info is both generic and in this case wrong(~65/35) so I don't see any issues. I wasnt winning when i started hitting with so few turns remaining. In hindsight i shouldve stayed netting but made the incorrect read and chose to mix it up after 34 took 300mil off me in 4 hits. I had no intention of double tapping anyone unless they hit me twice. Also since the winner didnt retal i had no option to hit a 2nd time even if i wanted to.

Is there nothing you won't rag about?

I didn't post the "country advisory" which is what the "rules" entail.

My finish was not a TOP finish. Many have finished much higher. My first place this set is the 9th, 10th place score on average....

Me posting what was posted had no outcome on my finish.... All it did was open up an in game conversation with Yeti...

And your either straight stupid or dont understand how this game tends to work....
2016-04-03 21:38:28 PS BiBiGoN (#50) (#11) 1279A (1507A)
2016-04-03 19:46:28 PS Cognomen (#30) (#11) 1365A (1620A)
2016-04-03 19:44:21 PS Escaflownic Holocaust (#1) (#11) DH
2016-04-03 19:29:48 PS C R O A T I A (#54) (#11) 981A (1241A)
2016-04-03 17:51:31 PS the Temple (#84) (#11) DH
2016-04-03 17:05:26 PS (#11) Mad Dogs (#9) 1046A (1872A)
2016-04-03 17:03:14 PS (#11) Escaflownic Holocaust (#1) 504A (1031A)
2016-04-03 16:59:37 PS (#11) Cognomen (#30) 1958A (3065A)
2016-04-03 16:57:24 PS (#11) whole lotta rosie (#27) 1459A (2284A)
2016-04-03 14:46:29 PS (#11) C R O A T I A (#54) 1464A (2338A)
2016-04-03 14:39:32 PS (#11) 8675309 (#68) 1446A (2265A)
2016-04-03 14:32:40 PS (#11) BiBiGoN (#50) 1104A (1731A)
2016-04-03 12:28:51 PS (#11) Hatchet Family (#16) 1506A (2147A)

All those 5 hits that are supposedly "NOT" coincidence is absolutely correct.... It was not coincidence.... They were justified retals which would have happened regardless of my posting.... Don't make it sound like it happened just beacuae you hack...
EDIT: #84 hit was not a retal....

And my first place finish had nothing to do with me posting anything on the forums. I was lucky that more top contending players took the set off.... I won't lie, I was lucky to get the first.

JUST TO ICE THE CAKE!!!!


tellarion
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Feb 9th 2014, 4:28:15

"""
As an added clarification: SHARING SPY OPS 'WILL' GET YOU DELETED!

I realize there has been some gray areas in there before, but now it's clear for everyone to see.

If you send a message such as 'Hey, hit this guy #xxx because his break is only 5m', that will not violate these rules and you will be fine. After all, you can lie about that kind of stuff.

"""

I shared no OP with anyone, so STFU and go cry about GDI....

Can you imagine this guy in your company?

Backstabber and chit chatting with colleges. Whiner to HR. Smartest guy in the room during meetings. etc

regardless frustrated players, in my mind, only one guy should complain about that.

peace

"Retals which would have happened anyway." That is speculative, very speculative.
All we can say for certain is that several were retals that MIGHT have happened anyway.
Croatia got hit quite a few times this set without retaliating,
Temple was not a retal and we know he reads this forum. Otherwise he was not a predator this set.
That hit MIGHT have been the result of the posting, but maybe not, certainly maybe not.
BiBiGon is generally a bottom feeder. He has been hit many times without a retal. He may or may not have retaled.
Because of the posting, all we can do is speculate that some of the hits MIGHT have happened anyway.
That is true, it is remotely possible that the post had no effect whatsoever.

The best way to open up an in game convo is to send an in game message, not post vital stats in public.

I do not care about that set, it is over. As Urge rightly says, only #11 can complain about that, certainly not me. That is why I did not object during the game or during the post game celebration. None of my business, none.
However, I do care about future sets and making sure that similar posts do not occur in the future. Let us focus on the future and what is foreseeable.

It is foreseeable that people could start posting hey #11 is a jetter.
Then people with high defense and low jets will know they can hit him.
That type of information is not permissible. Period.
Make all the excuses you want, say this exception or that exception applies and by all means blame the messenger but the fact is that going forward we should not have that information on the forum. To Urge's otherwise valid point, all of us should care about what happens in the future not just the named country in this case.

If you must post information, if it is some sort of compulsion, I would like a list of which Hs are cashers and not techers and which Rs are rainbows.
That will save me a lot of work sorting out targets.

lol guess next few sets will be trying to find which country is clints and post info about his country make him feel "right"

If I go all X again, have proper defense and get top fed you can all most guarantee I'll be here posting something again....

I didn't give exact information. I didn't reach out to get help obtaining revenge...
I didnt get outside help from posting what I did, regardless of your opinion. I can come to the forums and say "this all jetter noob fluff just fluffed me!". Don't want me to come to the boards to fluff, don't fluff on my yard.....

I gave more accurate information regarding my own country for pete sakes.... If anyone should be crying about me, it should be me....

The dont share OP rule regards kill squads. #5 asks #7 to op #8, #7 tells #5 #8s break information (exact), #5 and #7 kill #8..... Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe it is all my fault Yeti hit all those countries.... Then all those countries hit him back..... Stupid Ninja.....

"That type of information is not permissible. Period.
Make all the excuses you want, say this exception or that exception applies and by all means blame the messenger but the fact is that going forward we should not have that information on the forum. To Urge's otherwise valid point, all of us should care about what happens in the future not just the named country in this case."


agree with you on the basic clint, 100 % !

but we must put that information in some kind of context, he do not post brutally that information, that was a bit clumsy from him , and come from reply and reply.

btw totally agree with you, this is not an infomation to get on public forum. and surely was not his intention when we read entire post ;)

lol

how is saying 80% jets and 20% turrets even against the rules???
it doesn't show how many turrets or jets that person actually has
the rule is only in place to stop real spy op info appearing on the forum

anyone who wishes to hit that target still needs to spy them.


Instead of fluffing about it why didn't you contact a staff member to look into it ???
We don't spend all day every day reading these forums, if you want that you can pay me $25 an hour

And that's before you consider the amount of Cable Maths that gets posted here

Surprise surprise you're still talking about me, do you go to IA meetings trying to get on my level? Keep attacking people with your philosophy of 1 jet = 1 turret.

That post told people that #11, a country with 17K acres, had relatively very little defense.
That is real spy information, very real, very relevant, very actionable.
As a result of that information, #11 became a target of predators who otherwise might not have spied him.
Particularly since most players do not topfeed.
If I read in the forum that a 17k acre country has no turrets, I will spy on him pronto.
I hope you now understand that.
The requirement is not that the post contain exact information but that it will cause a reasonable predator to take action. It would not be acceptable to say #11 has about 200k turrets, when his exact number is 199k, would it?

While it is true that the predator must use a spy op to get the exact numbers, the real spy op info from the post resulted in harm.
If he had done that to me, no way in the world does he win the reset, none.
Mountain Yeti is much more gracious than I am.



[quote poster=Warster; 39316; 740038)
Instead of fluffing about it why didn't you contact a staff member to look into it ???
We don't spend all day every day reading these forums, if you want that you can pay me $25 an hour [/quote]

As I said, as Urge said, as all have said, what happened that set to #11 is none of my business.
I did not know that xninja would ride that post to victory and even if I had known I probably would have stood mute.
I did not object during the game or in the post game celebration.

I objected only as we shifted focus to the next reset, and the future resets.
I can only hope that you now understand that posting, "hey #11 is a prime target", is unacceptable and will prevent it going forward.

Just so the netters can understand the problem, they would not like it much if I posted
"Hurry, hurry, hurry, #11 has $1.6B cash on hand".
When #11 subsequently got hit five times, they might blame me.
Some might say that it did not violate the rules because he probably would have gotten hit anyway and the amount of cash was actually only $1.58B so the $1.6B figure was not exact.
Plus a predator would need to use a spy op to verify so it is ok.

Can we not go down this road?

When I posted the country was under 6k land..... And I didn't say it had 0 turrets.... And like I said my first place finish is a 9th-10th place finish on average, I got lucky. It had nothing with "riding the post to victory"....

wehh wehh, I think you and macdaddy should get together and write a book of the injustices of Earth

I don't think clint even plays, think he gets his joys off complaining about things that have no relevance to him.

I could have worked out 11's rough defense just on what was said in ninjas first post of that thread.

11 was always going to be looked at after getting called out on the forum because everyone would have a look to see what the big fuss was about.


Saying 80% jets and 20% turrets gives u no real info

80% of what ?? 1, 2 ,3 million ??

I guess a netter probably can not look at a country's size, net worth and government type and make an educated guess as to their military. Perhaps that takes an experienced predator.

Sorry to have bothered you, Warster.

and down that road we go.
Strap in cuz it is gonna be fun.

#1 has only 100 troops for military GO FOR IT!

I'm a leader of 2 netting tags and I can tell you right now almost all of my members could give you a rough estimate of possible defense based off net worth and grabbing patterns of target

Hold on there... you guys don't attack with pecentages? Noobs.

Exactly.

If a guy is able to do multiple PSs on big targets, then obviously they are probably jet heavy.

In Express with GDI, people buy jets or turrets. If a guy does a lot of PSs of big players, it means he probably has more jets than turrets.

also just based off nw alone you can determine the max possible defense they could have.

So anyone who attacks Xninja immediately gets put on the forum as a possible target

and the mods response is...


Mountain Yeti was right once again...



drkprince can do it



but the mod...


So even though the mod acknowledges that the post alone will cause people to look at 11, and to be spied on and to be attacked, he allows, condones, nay celebrates, the posting of this information.

Xninja has found a defense that is far better and far less expensive than turrets.
No jetter will dare attack him, ever.

Anyone who gets mentioned on the forum is going to get spied, except perhaps those who have been flattened.

XNinja's nerdrage is just going to attract jetters to him like flies to poo. Always good to get a good bloop out on the forums.

Clint.... I have been attacked many, many times and went on with my business not posting anything.

Again, when I was hit I was 7,000,000 turrets with 130% weapon tech..... The forums provide me with NO defense. I will be hit in the future I am sure of it. Getting hit does not bring me to the forums to tag.... Playing all X and getting top fed with 0 chances to regain my land does.

There is a difference between taking a hit and being fluffed. If it was a "normal" attack for land instead of a blatant top feed just to hurt my finish I woukdnt have posted anything. I would have attempted my retal and just moved on. But someone wanted to stir the pot and I had the right to post about it.

And in reality, every country has the possibility of being a target regardless of forum posting....

Keep making a mountain out of an ant hill bro.

you are just talking crap, basically you are now saying that if say 23 hits me with a grab and i go to the forum and say

" 23 is a prick cos he grabbed me even tho i had 6 mil turrets"

my post should get deleted because it gave out info that player with good maths skills could work out a players max possible defense

like i said saying 80% jets 20% turrets doesn't help anyone

do you know how many jets he has?? no
do you know how many turrets he has ?? no

so knowing his ratio doesn't help you, as stated above



and that claim you made about Croatia


[quote poster=clintonista; 39316; 739990]

go look at his news again the only hit he didn't retal was


2016-04-02 22:48 Raven Broadblade (#43) C R O A T I A (#54) PS 1,145A (+755A)
2016-04-02 22:53 Raven Broadblade (#43) C R O A T I A (#54) PS 594A (+509A)

do you understand why??

Because he hit Emaster back first with a PS, who had triple tapped him
by the time Croatia was online next 43 was in deep DR and Croatia probably decided the other people grabbing him were better picks to hit instead, 2 hours after Croatia last explored 43 was killed.

every other hits were retaled

as has been pointed out to you every hit except for one was a retal.

so Xninja's post hasn't done anything at all to increase the chances of 11 getting hit.

That is exactly what the rules say should happen.
Exactly.

In game information should not be dispensed on the forum.
Why do you not understand that?
Why?

It is permissible to go to the forum and say "I just got hit wah wah wah "
But any in game information should be deleted.
The forum is not a place to gain advantages in the game or to have the guy who hit you retaliated against.

Your ruling at this point is that in game information is permitted to be posted on the forum.

I look forward to exploiting that ruling.














[/quote]

Again, I shared no "solid" information that required a turn to obtain. What your asking would also mean new players would not be permitted to get help via the forums. There is a difference between the "actual" rules and your backassed interpretation of them....

And I am still dying in side thinking you actually believe I received some kind of in game advantage due to posting what I did.

You say I speculated that the hits on #11 were retals, yet here you are speculating that posting on the forums causes aggression on countries that might not be attacked if nothing was ever posted on the forums....

The truth of the matter is I can come post, "everyone farm #11, he is a chump", not giving any country information other than it's name and number and it would get the same attention as if I posted it was 80% jets and 20% other military... And the odds of it getting hit is equal. It's as equal as if nothing was posted at all.

And feel free to exploit what you feel you must. Even though I posted "exactly" the military and weapon tech I had for anyone to figure out publicly and then I proceed to go through the rest of the set not getting hit further proves how wrong you are.... My land and break was there for the public yet no one took "advantage" of it as you claim they do.....

no jetter will hit you when they know that Warster will allow you to post their # and military stats on the forum

duh

it is a stellar defense.
I will try to figure out which country is yours and avoid it like the plague since you are allowed to retal by proxy.

Warster is clearly no logician and he seems not to care that temple may have used the info to hit 11.

As I have said many times, I am not interested in punishment only in future protection.

I don't hide my countries, I live for the hatchet, I die for the hatchet! I wouldn't even be involved in this discussion if you were not accusing me of cheating or exploiting moderators.....

It's hardly rocket science to spot a jetter in the first place. Once you see one you know his ratio's going to be 70/30 or less.
I suppose someone might have been saved a spy turn if they fancied a speculative punt on a retal, but I bet they all spied him anyway.

Let's turn off the newsfeed and ban eestats. They give away too much information!11!!!1

Is it really "illegal" or just against the rules of this game? Who can we take to court :P

Temple don't forget instant news feed, net worth change feeds and market feeds on irc as well all give you important you can use to work out people patterns and styles

Hatchet was my favorite book as a child. I mean, what 8 year old doesn't want to get stranded in the catskills?

I also love hatchet wounds.

And I always imagined Scott was more a picturebook kind of person :-!

Real note, never read it. Sounds crazy....

Fixed that for ya

As you all know, I am always the first to admit when I was wrong.

I said it was illegal to post the results of spy ops.



Quite right, I was wrong.

Everything else I said was accurate.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/...-email-shows-32074295.jpg

Like the guy in the office, once ignored a few times he will go away. But our curiosity and emotions get the best of us and we feel the need to respond. Just as I am responding to you lol

Contacting a staff member is like waiting on a bot to retal. Secondly, fluff the $25. You volunteered, right? If you do not have time to do a job that you said you would do - you knew the terms walking into it - then step aside.

It takes two sets to get a response on who are the mods since their existence here is as lacking as clint's ability to lock his keyboard.

When a blatant rules violation does occur, and a "staff" member (three, actually, so we wouldn't have to hear that excuse) was contacted (because you guys do not want it posted on the forums because you do not come here very often <--took away that excuse as well), there is not a quick, decisive response, a kiss my ass or anything else.

As a supervisor in a Fortune 500 country, I never hire people who only work for the money.

his is where he got the $25 from

I think we can all agree that we just want the mods to do what they volunteered to do - have a presence, take action, preserve the integrity of the game. If you (the mods) don't have time, and I get that, just say so and move on.

If we can't find more, then the game will just run its course as it is doing anyway.

hammer i haven't been a full time mod in 3 years, im just a back up and opinion giver on changes as i'm the longest serving moderator (outside of martain) these days, the full time mods have disappeared