You have problems with SOF at various points after concluding your war this reset. Everytime there was a problem, Aquaview and I hashed it out. Approximately 5 days ago a member of ours hit you for 3-4k acres and dropped the land. Aquaview asks me for retals or reps and I offer one of my own countries for the reps. Aqua requests two hits on the country and a day later Kill4Free comes to SOF's alliance channel and begins cursing at me in a PM that I cheated him.

- You asked for two hits and I said sure.

- You have an unathorized member invalidating your FA's deals

- You now kill mulitple SOF tagged countries without FA contact.

Really, you guys are just a bunch of circle jerkers. You say "we don't pick on smaller alliances" and "we don't like that LAE does" but that is really just a load of BS.

The hypocrisy is out of control. Try being upfront.

lol its how the game goes get the rest of sof over here and go to war!

Reading the boards, I have read that certain SoF countries killed an NBK country or something. That is grounds for killing in my opinion

"without FA contact."


u still need to tell them its just being nice

aquaview does FA ? baaahaaaahaaaaaa

actually, this guy had countries tagged to both SoF, LaE, and earlier ran a few tagged CrisPak.

he 2 steps us.

he has also been doing 1 retal then a "LG" when hit by us. not sure why he is (was) trying to antagonize us but clearly he was.

then he detagged 1 from SoF and 5 or 6 more from LaE and killed one of our guys.

any non pacted alliance would have had this nub as a kill target.
we simply wanted his countries (especially his main that had 18 bill cash on hand) dead quickly. i beilive aqua tried to get ahold of you but after a few hours we went ahead with the kill run.

now tell me in a reverse situation in alliance, you wouldn't have fired up the missiles....

lol i play in imp we dont net ever so i dont care about suciders.

i would have made a ffat post and killed them which is what nbk did :)

Aponic,

Your member suicided us. What exactly would you have preferred us do? We waited several hours before killing the ones tagged SOF and even made a thread on FFAT letting you know that we were only killing the suiciders. I think that is pretty fair, don't you?

either get control of your members... or at least take responsibility for them, because nothing we have done to sof this set was undeserved... so dont try to act like some helpless victim...

if that guy didnt want his netters killed, then he shouldnt have suicided on us... i dont care what tag they were in, we werent waiting around and asking for permission to kill him

now decide what your next move is and we will decide ours

is that upfront enough for you?

your member hit me with a 10mil nw country. dropped the land and offered only 2 hits on a 1mil nw country with to not much land...

on top of that. you told our fa to fluff off despite your clan bein the whole reason the talks were necessary. dont have 40k+ land and only a 10mil break and you will see me in your news far less

When gambit gets mad, it gets me hard

lol kemo, you are way off base on that.

I offered a country up for reps. Aqua asked for two hits. I said ok. Late Kill4Free came telling me to fluff myself and I returned the favor. Your FA made an agreement and then, instead of having that FA contact me again, you have somoene else entirely tell me
that the deal is invalid and that i 'screwed' him/you. Get real.

If countries in the SOF tag are to be killed and you don't want a damn problem about it, then you better contact us first. That was the point of this thread. As I do not do FA over FFAT, I had no knowledge that you made a thread announcing your plans of dealing with this suicider situation.

Gambit: No one is acting like a victim. You disrespected us by not making FA contact. That is a logical step before killing countries in a sovereign tag if you are not instigating a war. Why don't you read the circle jerk comment.

synoder: I would have left your FA a message via the standard form of contact we have used all reset. I thought that one was obvious.

lemme just ask this one to clear things up. Are you upset that we killed the suiciders or upset that we didn't wait until you were online to kill them? Also, our FA is the one that gave the ok to kill them, I don't know whether he left you a message or not and frankly don't really care. We were killing countries that were attacking us. We didn't hit any countries in that were not in the string that killed a NBK country for no reason and I am a little confused as to why you are crying about it? YOUR member was the one 2 stepping, dropping land, and eventually suiciding. If anything you should be offering reps for the actions of your member.

sovereign tag?
wtf is this the UN?..
its a game ffss...

as i said aponic, we wanted to kill him before he spent his 18 bill and got out of range. but i guess you only read what you want.
also, he has been antagonizing us all set...as i said. also, to repeat another statement you conveniently avoided. "now tell me in a reverse situation in alliance, you wouldn't have fired up the missiles...."

bottem line. we have no pact. we took down a guy who not only suicided us, but detagged to do it. what was to say he wasn't going to jump and kill our top countries(s)?

we could have just tag killed your entire clan (we have the turns/missiles) but we didn't now did we? we killed a member that not only killed a 30+ nw country, but has been putting his hand in the 'gators mouth all set.
so basicly, go to war with us or stfu.

you offered a fluffty country that woulda yeilded fluffty returns and you know it. aqua is tryin to be nice and you took advantage of him. at no point did i say for anyone else to contact you. i simply stated go back and get a bigger country for me to hit. in the end you still only offered nothing bigger then a 4 mil nw country. you need to be happy i didnt suicide when i was calcing out the breaks

Let's be honest popcom, you killed all the guys countries. There were multiple non-offending countries in our tag that you killed. I am not mad that you killed them, but mad that after expecting us to conduct normal FA with you all reset, you failed to even make a mention of this through FA.

To answer the retarded question of whether I expected you to wait until I was online to kill them all, no, I did not. I do expect alliances to notify or leave a message through the correct FA channels.

Kemo: You are basically calling aqua an idiot. He asked for two hits to get the appropriate land. Looking back I think you were 12m nw and the offeneding country was 6m nw with 12-13k acres having not dropped. What you wanted was land:land on the grab. What Aqua wanted was a fair retal and thats what we aimed for. When he came back to you, and you were unsatisfied, the correct thing to do would have been to have aqua talk with me again. Instead you went whining like a little fluff and had a dumbass tell me that I cheated you. Get real dude. Why the hell should I be happy you didn't suicide? You are a hypocrit, look at the thread you are posting on.

"- You now kill mulitple SOF tagged countries without FA contact."

Maybe I am retarded for expecting you to actually mean what you said about wanting us to contact you before we killed those countries.

As for non-offending countries. They were part of the same string that detagged and suicided. I guess he thought we wouldn't notice?

oh BTW, could you please contact Aqua about giving us reps for the country that your member killed? thanks

read my post again retard. ill point it out so itll be easier for you. >>>>>>"at no point did i say for anyone else to contact you"<<<<<<<

i never said i wanted l:l. never. i said in the thread i was seriously pissed the dude dropped the land more then anything.

i was 14mil nw and he was 10mil

im not fluffing about your guy suiciding dumbass. freakin take a look at what someone says before you post

get off your spin coaster pal.

synoder: You killed multiple intag countries without contact. Get real.

"begins cursing at me in a PM that I cheated him"

Has anyone ever heard me curse before? I have the chat logs saved btw, and if you don't start stop being stupid Ill post em. And almost all of it is you cursing at me aponic. Try me I want to post them but in the interest of not being a jerk I will not.

*sits down with popcorn*

Double dare you to disagree with me aponic ;)

I wanted you to contact us before killing our contries. That is what I said and what I meant. Aqua knows he should have messaged me through the board system. Stop trying to read between the lines. I am saying exactly what I mean.

Cursing
4. A profane word or phrase; a swearword.

Profanity:
2. vulgar or irreverent action, speech, etc.

Post the log, I am sure you were rather vulgar. I have the log of #sof incase it started there.

Well done Sir, never swore, or did any vulgar action or phrase.
I will admit to not being reasonable as you screwed over our new FA minister, but we did not do any attacks before anything I said.

19:55 Kill4Free Hey hey
19:55 aponic ?
19:55 Kill4Free About that issue where one of your dudes attacked us then dropped all his land?
19:56 Kill4Free I think Aqua talked to someone about it, not sure who, or the details really.
19:56 aponic it was me
19:56 Kill4Free Ah, k, good, got the right fellow!
19:56 aponic i offered for you two grab one of my countries with equal land
19:56 aponic and he pointed out the nw difference
19:56 aponic so he asked for two hits
19:56 aponic i said ok
19:57 Kill4Free Yeah I know, sorry it got this far before he mentioned it
19:57 aponic ?
19:57 Kill4Free Basically couple things are a kill issue
19:57 Kill4Free 2 things you never do are, attack someone then farm the attacker with another country (Retals do not count)
19:57 Kill4Free Or attack someone and drop land after the grab
19:57 Kill4Free Before the retal at least
19:57 Kill4Free Afterwards all good
19:58 Kill4Free Due to NW issue, our member wouldn't have gotten any land back really, probably max of 1400 acres
19:58 Kill4Free They really penalised hitting downwards
19:59 Kill4Free Had he hit the country that retalled him twice he would have about broken even after ghost acres
19:59 Kill4Free Err not retalled, dropped land
19:59 aponic dude
19:59 Kill4Free But you fellows gave a super small country that matters to no one as a target
19:59 aponic you grabbed me for 16k acres
19:59 aponic with one of your fag countries
19:59 aponic i offered you the land
19:59 Kill4Free With about 10mil jets?
19:59 aponic i dont give a fluff about a lecture
19:59 aponic i dont care about ffa
20:00 aponic and i made it right
20:00 aponic what is the point of your talking to me
20:00 aponic i gave you the country
20:00 Kill4Free Gonna take L:L on 901 since that is obviously the country that doesnt matter
20:00 aponic because it is my country
20:00 aponic aqua asked for two hits
20:00 aponic you take mor than that
20:00 aponic and you can go fluff yourself
20:00 Kill4Free Fair enough
20:01 aponic if he asked for three
20:01 aponic i would have given three
20:01 aponic but its done
20:01 Kill4Free Nah, afraid not, sorry about this, but I had to get involved, aqua doesnt landgrab so he didnt really realise that giving us a super small country was no real help
20:01 aponic you guys have been grabbing us
20:01 aponic our netting countries
20:01 aponic and we have no chance to compete with lae
20:01 Kill4Free Especially when we can kill a country for dropping land
20:01 aponic and that was our only goal
20:02 aponic so frm my perspective
20:02 Kill4Free Well TKO is doing a fair sight better then you guys, they have better defense, more land on average
20:02 aponic i have no reason to be more than fair
20:02 aponic listen
20:02 aponic i could kill you for grabbing me for 16k acres
20:02 aponic what the fluff kind of conversation is this
20:02 Kill4Free True, that is within your right
20:02 Kill4Free You can do whatever you want to do
20:02 aponic you didnt want to pact us
20:02 Kill4Free We are doing what is fair
20:03 aponic aqua made this agreement
20:03 Kill4Free FFA isnt some sorta of free land self farming zone, it is FFA
20:03 Kill4Free I have the capability of breaking every country you fellows have
20:03 aponic and you arent free to say fluff your fa and come fluffing to me
20:03 Kill4Free I have not done so
20:03 aponic so fluff off
20:03 Kill4Free In fact I only grabbed about 4 times so far
20:03 Kill4Free 3 of em on TKO
20:04 aponic that country had stock home the past two days
20:04 aponic and some fluff tag gbrabbed it
20:04 aponic while you have been waiting
20:04 aponic fyi
20:04 aponic and i mass explored on it last night also
20:04 Kill4Free We were in a war the first 3 weeks of the set
20:04 aponic it was mass explored again a few hours ago
20:04 Kill4Free Which is why I suspect this issue did not come up sooner
20:04 aponic im off to eat dinner
20:05 aponic we asked for a pact
20:05 aponic you didnt want one
20:05 Kill4Free We do not want a pact
20:05 aponic your fa asked me for two retals
20:05 Kill4Free We turned down all pacts
20:05 aponic i granted them on my country
20:05 aponic i think this is over
20:05 Kill4Free Agreed, and that didnt work
20:05 Kill4Free This is the new issue
20:05 aponic if you want to FS us next set
20:05 Kill4Free You probably hate me for it, wouldnt blame you, you dont know FFA rules
20:05 Kill4Free We dont want to FS you either
20:05 aponic for no reason
20:06 aponic im sure you could make an alliance leave the server
20:06 Kill4Free Only did it to pan cause they were a fair bit larger then us
20:06 aponic keep that in your pocket
20:06 Kill4Free I could care less about that, we DONT FS clans that are a lot smaller
20:06 Kill4Free No point
20:06 Kill4Free What does it prove?
20:06 Kill4Free Nothing at all, any dimwit could beat a clan half its size
20:07 Kill4Free Dropping land after a landgrab is a very bad offense, he is just getting his land back on a small country you dont care about
20:07 Kill4Free And its over
20:07 aponic we dont have a website
20:07 aponic i dont know who it is
20:07 aponic and i dont care to find out
20:07 aponic i settled it with my own countries
20:07 aponic and if it is an ongoing problem
20:07 Kill4Free That is not our issue, on how you wanted things to work out
20:08 aponic im sure aqua and i will solve it
20:08 Kill4Free Aqua is sorta furious atm
20:08 aponic ill continue to talk with him
20:08 Kill4Free So hence why I am temporary FA, they usually don't let me do FA stuff
20:08 Kill4Free Well you can, but it wont matter really
20:08 aponic good night
20:08 Kill4Free On the bright side if your country is landthin
20:09 Kill4Free From retals
20:09 Kill4Free You can grab anyone you want in NBK and make out ahead in land like crazy
20:09 Kill4Free Not hard at all
20:09 aponic do you think i am retarded?
20:09 Kill4Free As long as your arent landthin from dropping land or self farming
20:09 aponic you are talking to me as if i am
20:09 Kill4Free No I am not, I am saying you have lots of other options that dont involve war
20:09 Kill4Free To get even
20:10 aponic we didnt do fluff
20:10 Kill4Free I do not want to war SoF
20:10 aponic about your landgrabs
20:10 Kill4Free Is landgrabbing obsolete now?
20:10 aponic that is rhetorical
20:10 Kill4Free Why would we not landgrab?
20:10 aponic an alliance without a website is best not to instigate conflicts
20:10 aponic that is rhetorical too
20:10 aponic i have not suggested what you should do
20:11 Kill4Free Anything you want to do to us you can, we wont war you for grabbing us back
20:11 aponic i simply told you to fluff yourself when you were fluffing about what your FA requested adn I agreed to
20:11 Kill4Free I am saying he was wrong, and it was my fault he was wrong.
20:11 Kill4Free I thought our member got hit for 2100 acres, instead of 4100
20:11 aponic i dont care that the person dropped land
20:11 Kill4Free From a fellow who dropped land
20:11 aponic it was made correct
20:11 Kill4Free Apparently not
20:12 aponic well you sort your internal fluff out internally
20:12 aponic im not involved
20:12 Kill4Free Had aqua been actively landgrabbing too he woulda seen that too
20:12 aponic its settled
20:12 aponic a day ago
20:12 aponic you figure it out with him
20:12 Kill4Free Thing is, I did figure it out
20:12 aponic ok and what did you conclude
20:13 Kill4Free That he got screwed over from getting offered a country 1.8mil NW
20:13 Kill4Free With half its land built
20:13 Kill4Free For a mere two retals
20:14 Kill4Free Maybe not your intention to screw him over
20:14 aponic he ASKED for two retals
20:14 Kill4Free But that is essentially what happened
20:14 aponic i simply looked at my countries and found one with equal land
20:14 aponic no one duped him
20:14 Kill4Free I know that was the case
20:14 aponic maybe he is mad that you complain like a little fluff
20:14 Kill4Free Basically saying that deal was no longer good
20:14 aponic you cant void the deal
20:15 Kill4Free If we had taken our 2 retals already, then it would be conluded
20:15 aponic go fluff yourself
20:15 aponic i have the log
20:15 aponic its done
20:15 Kill4Free Dude, if you want to be like that, things can be worse
20:15 Kill4Free I could break anything I wanted to
20:15 Kill4Free Sure our one member maybe screwed
20:15 aponic your just being a child
20:15 aponic if you were me
20:15 Kill4Free But one of you fellows would be a lot worse off
20:15 aponic you wouldnt change your mind
20:15 aponic i made a deal
20:15 aponic its done
20:15 aponic im not bending over backwards for you
20:15 aponic thats fagget fluff
20:15 aponic youre asking me to be a fagget
20:16 aponic or your fluff
20:16 Kill4Free Ah well, fair enough
20:16 aponic and whatever the consequences may be from me refusing
20:16 aponic so be it
20:16 aponic if you had wanted a differetn solution
20:16 Kill4Free Already told you want is happening
20:16 aponic you would have had aqua talk to me
20:16 aponic and not come out lecturing me
20:16 Kill4Free *what
20:16 aponic aqua made the deal
20:16 aponic if there is a problem
20:16 aponic he can correct it
20:17 aponic im not going to be the bithc in all of this
20:17 Kill4Free Dude, losing 4k acres on one of your worst countries isnt exactly that bad
20:17 Kill4Free Was looking at NW's could easily do a 40k acre grab
20:17 aponic ill tell you what
20:17 aponic ill detag a country
20:17 Kill4Free Bu

Fail.

Yea, great log of you re-nigging on a completed FA deal. You were correct, you didn't curse, it was not your language that was vulgar, it was your posturing.

I said I was a jerk beforehand. You basically insulted me on all of ffat, said I was cursing someone, which I never do. And now you are saying I am "re-nigging", So first of all you are a self admitted liar, second of all you are racist?

Go SOF!!!!

re-nigging is not a racial term

Alternative spelling of renege
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/renig

re·nege (r-ng, -ng)
v. re·neged, re·neg·ing, re·neges
v.intr.
1. To fail to carry out a promise or commitment: reneged on the contract at the last minute.

Grats man, at least you are just a liar and not racist too, I salute you for that.

I was a douche on the contract thing, but you "unintentionally" screwed over our FA. Well if we are getting screwed, only fair if you are too ;)

Btw, Reneged is not spelt the same as re-nigging...

Let me go ahead and conclude my posting on this thread.

NBK took multiple times more land off of SOF than any other alliance. This escalated tensions. A country dropped approxiamtely 3-4k acres after a grab on an NBK country. This was resolved and then RENEGED (formal spelling) upon by NBK. After this incident a SOF country made a single grab on an NBK country and two stepped it. Upon FA contact Aqua was authorized to take 150% land:land on the two stepping country. The owner of the NBK country had already attacked the two stepping SOF countries main country for 22k acres and I informed Aqua that the country was entitled to a 1:1 retal according to SOF policy. Aqua and I concluded the conversation.

At the time of the log Kill4Free posted, I informed him that #sof on gamesurge was an alliance channel. Aqua was aware from the beginning that he could contact me either via the private board system here or personally on irc and that Gazza was also a SOF FFA contact. Neither of us were contacted. FFAT is not a place for FA.

Despite much effort on the part of Aqua, I feel that SOF has been shown little respect as a tag. If you can not make the effort to contact us through the diplomatic channels we have used all reset and that are posted on a contacts thread on this board, then we will no be paying you reps for the suicider. This could be rectified with any kind of statement that you should have first contacted us.

Although I am certain that this will be interpreted incorrectly, the gist is that we did not come to the server to eat fluff in order to play peacefully. If that is what is called for, then we simply will not play.

"At the time of the log Kill4Free posted, I informed him that #sof on gamesurge was an alliance channel. "

Another fail, you fellows banned me from that channel after our last conversation. Banning me is not quite considered "informing me" in normal circles.

And damn right you were shown little respect. Having super landfat countries with no defense? 90k acres, and 100 jet break ring any bells? (I passed on that to be "nice").

As for you informing me that was an alliance channel.. BS. You fellows even invited me back to talk... kane... which he again banned me. Even posted that on ffat.

Effort has to go both ways, when you are a landfarm with no defense, you gotta do a bit more effort then saying "fluff you" to anything one says.

The last thing I must say, is that you say peaceful.... how many real clans have got through a set without a war so far... other then you of course. Let me think.... none. Honestly you are lucky, had you been twice as big we woulda killed you. And now you are complaining about peace?

posturing??? you were offended by the way he was hunched over sitting at his computer... K4F, i think we found your stalker

Which stalker?
I think I am up to number 3.

the one that imagines you cursing him...

i can't believe anyone would think that kill4free would cast bad fortune upon another living soul...

curse
verb
cursed cursing
Definition of CURSE
transitive verb
a : to call upon divine or supernatural power to send injury upon <was cursed and fears he will die>
: to bring great evil upon : afflict <a land cursed with famine>

ROFL at kemo being a douche about getting topfed, irony at it's finest.

never did i say i was mad at bein grabbed... feel free to read the whole thing again

ROFL at kemo being a douche

that ill agree to. i may in fact be a fluff

BTW I never said you were mad, I said you were a douche. You can be happy and still be a douche.

i dont really care that i was grabbed. the issue ive been pushin this whole time was the dropped land. you cant do that and expect me to not be a douche in return

also thats something we should bring back. douching. just a once a month thing to remember the old days

"The last thing I must say, is that you say peaceful.... how many real clans have got through a set without a war so far... other then you of course. Let me think.... none. Honestly you are lucky, had you been twice as big we woulda killed you. And now you are complaining about peace? "

TKO and THS! Come on we dont exist now? THS is small so i cna see them being excluded but we somehow made our war through this crazy set in peace=). Think it had something to do with me slapping every member who thought about suiciding NBK, and then building a few decent retallers=P lol.

True Ketchup, the better the retallers, and the harder targets you have, the less you will get farmed. Sof had no defense, and no real retallers. Hence why our members attacked them instead of you (not including me :D).

I wanted to use my retaller more tho =(