As long as two countries exchanging grabs benefits the smaller country more than it benefits the larger country, there is no incentive for the better countries to engage in grabbing with other alliances.

When two countries exchange grabs, the smaller country benefits more. If your goal is to grow big, then the only reason to trade grabs between alliances is if you are doing a bad job of achieving your goal.

If we started giving 30k acre countries a reason to hit 20k acre countries that can retal them, then we would see more interaction between alliances. Or if we just made it so that 20k acre countries would gain more from hitting 20k acre countries than hitting 30k acre countries, there would be less of a penalty for people growing at a faster pace.

Or if players agreed to not grab people significantly larger or smaller than them, players would be able to grow without worrying about being grabbed by someone lazier and smaller than them.

Larger countries do get a benefit in ghost acres, but a reduction in total acres, so yes, I think that if you are larger then target, you can at least hit for full acres. Sure large countries might attack small more often, but even if they were retalled, it wouldnt be crippling.

This discussion has happened every single reset of FFA...

at least 3 times.....

*walks in and then runs out screaming " not this again" *

With strong defense and strong retallers, why would people be hitting you at all? Or are you already predicting your inability to actually keeping the strong defense and strong retallers that you plan on attempting to run?

its like watching an old married couple fight....

same arguement,same result... well no result...

Please feel free to read my suggestion and comment on it.

http://forums.earthempires.com/...=suggested-change-for-ffa


It is not an Anti-Self Farming or Anti-DR suggestion, and I encourage everyone to read it. I really think this could solve alot of issues people have on this server.

its funny, some of the bigger clans every set whine about getting hit, on here or in PM, or IRC, whichever.
but the small well runs 1 mans get left alone.
perhaps take a clue from them...

i dont mind, NBK has been feeding my countries land all reset hehe

I bet you play solitaire a lot.

Pop speaks truth, not the 1 man tags complaining about being farmed almost all of the time :P Unless it is by another one man tag.

I don't play solitaire at all.

I'm not dumb enough to think that if I'm 30k acres, I can grow by hitting 15k acre countries that can retal me. Exchanging grabs benefits the smaller country. If we want to fix the problem of land in this game, we need to stop penalizing growth.

Realizing that its wiser for my 30k acre country to trade land with another 30k acre country than to grab a 15k acre country doesn't indicate that I like playing solitaire, it just means I'm not a fluffing idiot.

No, once again you completely miss (purposely or not) what someone is trying to say and you continue to manipulate ideas to better suit your vain argument. What you've been implying indicates that once you get to a certain size you feel you should be untouchable by most and those that can, shouldn't be given a fair retal.

Your warped sense of grabbing in this game is the lesser evil of those that are masturbating their own countries and then sending themselves to DR all round, but its still stupid.

I'd say I wish I had more time to explain things to you but I'm actually pretty happy that I don't. The sooner this thread gets back to discussing the current cost of food the better.

Had to drop it from 55, wasn't making any profit that high :(

bullfluff, if you look at 1a where there's no self-farming or people putting themself in DR, one man tags or tags with 1-5 countries get farmed into oblivion every single reset.

One man tags here don't whine or get grabbed much because they generally don't get very fat or become good grab targets in the first place, and FFA seems to have a mutual respect for one man tags who don't bother anyone.

True we do have more respect for 1 man tags here, a lot of the reason is cause a 1man tag with 16 countries can do a decent amount of damage. In 1a, the damage they can do is very little.

But hitting yourself into DR IMO exempts you from any hit cap clans might have, after all if they are only outta DR once a month, gotta take the chance to hit it, while it is available!

fairly sure im talking about FFA....,.,or did i go to the wrong boards....

Manipulate what ideas? I've never implied that once I get to a certain size I should be untouchable. Just like last set, members in IMP are trying to win an argument with me by attributing ideas to me that aren't mine.

My argument is that exchanging grabs with someone smaller than you is not advantageous, thus bigger countries do not have the incentive to grab other alliances that can retal them. Thus people who are more successful at acquiring land are given the incentive to not attack alliances who can retal them.

My idea was not that if you grow you should be untouchable. My point was that if you are good at acquiring land, there is no incentive for you to have player to player interaction with people who are not as good at acquiring land. Thus player to player interaction is sought after by those who have not done as good a job of acquiring land, and is shied away from by those who have done a better job of acquiring land.

I did not ever say that one should be untouchable if they grow big, what I implied was that there needs to be a reason for player to player interaction for countries who grow big. I in fact implied the opposite of what you are trying to attribute to me.


You need to learn how to argue better. Intetionally misstating someone's position so that you can win the argument is very ineffective, and it makes you look like an asshole and an idiot.

or a republican!

ooooooooo

Sure, I'm just telling you what happens in a server when there isn't self-farming and what would happen here if that were also the case.

Most of this would be fixed it there was like a 100 country cap for clans, as it is, only a handful of big ones.

So... how about that food market?

I wonder what is actually in a bushel of food. Do you think it includes all dietary needs?

I'd be fine with a 100 country cap for clans.. How would that fix everything though? Other than letting more warrers war and netters net..

K4F disband NBK and make a 100 country tag :)

That'd be basically the same as Team though, if everyone was running the max allowed..

"With strong defense and strong retallers, why would people be hitting you at all? Or are you already predicting your inability to actually keeping the strong defense and strong retallers that you plan on attempting to run?"

To quote Jane from firefly.. I once hit a guy in the neck from five hundred yards with a bent scope, don't that count for nothing?

nope, wrong quote, sorry. If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steaks right now. There we go.

I foresee many hits coming my way. I am sure I will get a number of dnhs, maybe a nap or two, when I make my thread asking politely for people to not farm the fluff out of me. But people will inevitably see my sixteen countries and determine they have a better chance of not being retalled (if him and nine other people PS me once or twice I simply wouldn't have the jets available on hand to use what with PS's and what not, so I would lose a number of retals before the deadline was up)

My best hope would be high defense, low acres. So i guess techer and some reselling next reset for me. As opposed to low defense, high production farmers and cashers while I'm in tko. I look forward to trying, but I don't really hold very much hope. Somebody will RoR and I'll take my owed however many hits, and they'll kill for me it. I don't know who, the fun is in finding out :P

Yep, but on team server, that just means the alliances on team server have 10-20 countries instead of the 30+ needed for alliance server (except for Fire, they're just awesome). So if we made a 100 country cap in FFA, there would still be alliances who go around the spirit of the 100 country cap.


But back to the topic of food. Is market manipulation where one country benefits more than the others an acceptable netting tactic? Obviously self-farmers have no problem with this, but its those opposed to self-farming who will have varying views.

Ill stop posting just for the hell of it

I'm a little ignorant on the positions here so bear with me ..

The 'conservative' platform I'll call it.. is anti ANY type of intra-user manipulation? As in FA chains, buyouts, self-farming, DR'ing yourself.. In order to give one country an advantage over your others

i dont see how u can put FA chains on the same page as DR yourself.
FA is in the game FOR FA...that's the point of it. the only purpose of the FA option is to send FA...
GS are NOT in the game for DR yourself. DR yourself is just finding a use for something outside of the spirit of the programming

Yes, but FA is in the game for countries who need aid, not so that all your resources can be gathered in one country.

"is just finding a use for something outside of the spirit of the programming"

i believe are the words you were looking for, rockman?

define aid?
aid in getting bigger is aid.
GS on the other hand, are to attack, to torch food, and kill civilians.

or to bounce and harmlessly push into dr

FA chains hurt 15 countries to pump up one. I dislike the idea of that.

doesn't matter thou, its still aiding that one country. help is help, even if it doesn't farther you along...obviously it cant.

BUT, GS were never meant to be used how they are. they were meant to kill civilians or burn food. GS (or AB) yourself into DR is manipulating game mechanics against there intended purpose. which goes against the spirit of the game..
which the devs have stated is wrong on other servers. just not this one cause they like to do it here


also; i like food prices how they are now. made some nice coin over the last 24h :D

Spirit of the game has been removed from rules popcom.

And if it were against it, they would remove it. They fully know it exists, and leave it there. So it has a purpose and is part of the game.

If this was back in earth 2025 you could argue that when mehul had no idea what was going on. E-mail pang, etc. if they think you are right it will be changed. if not, then this is how to game is. If you dont like the game, stop playing it.

its purpose is so they can do it to.

other servers shape rules around the "spirit" of the game, or server. they just stopped before they got to FFA.

I choose to use dialog to try to change fluff. this is how the game evolves. but your idea is great to!


also;
more $49 food please. nom nom nom

Seconded, feed me!!

*gives k4f a cookie*

now, give me more food!!!!

What devs actively play FFA and use DR to protect their self farming countries?

that 250k land one IMP killed last set was Slag no?

I didn't play last reset but if i had to make a guess I would say yes. However I can say with close to 100% certainty that Slagpit has played FFA a whopping 2 resets, the first of which he ran only ~4 countries.

So IMO to say they support it because 1 dev who has used DR during 1 of the 2 resets he has played on this server is a HUGE reach.

Yeah slag did it last set. And they had known about Self DRing well before that. And now as far as i know, none of them play on FFA.

So i dont see how it benefits them. And from what i have seen in the past. The developers have been very good at doing whats best for the game, not whats best for them.

i declare this thread too much to read


now sell more food for under $49 :)

no no no... buy buy buy..... ive got over 200mill on the market...my troops need more oil,they are very thristy...

the great things about these self farming threads is u dont need to read half the posts,they are all saying the same ting they say in all the other threads lol

if your food isnt selling, you arent typing the correct numbers :P

maybe its the dodgy low grade crap im dumping onto the market ;)