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Dibs Ludicrous

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Jul 4th 2011, 20:37:20

if doctors knew anything good, we'd be able to live forever. i didn't read anything to be able to refute the doctor's opinion. don't even see where it's stated that he hit his head period.

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typically when you fly over the handlebars on an expressway/highway you hit your head.

im sure he had physcial head injuries that they determined to be the cause. im sure the doctor didnt just make it up to make their protest look bad. of course him claiming the guy would have survived with a helmet is purely specualtion and certainly not 100% true.

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Jul 5th 2011, 12:09:05

you got to be a complete moron not to want to wear a helmet on a full powered motorcycle... seriously.

I understand and agree with some of the arguements against helmets on bicycles in certain environments, but anyone that rides a motorcycle, even a vespa:p without a helmet is embracing death!

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Jul 5th 2011, 14:13:48

He made a decision knowing the possible consequences. I really don't care if folks want to wear helmets or not, but if they choose to regularly ride without a helmet then their insurance premiums should be adjusted accordingly. In other words, how you run your life is your business until it impacts others--in this case, financially, so you bear the burden.

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Jul 5th 2011, 17:17:35

http://news.yahoo.com/...helmet-law-143217859.html

"Police say a motorcyclist participating in a protest ride against helmet laws in upstate New York died after he flipped over the bike's handlebars and hit his head on the pavement."

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Jul 5th 2011, 19:53:43

Pavment 1
Head 0

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trumper

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Jul 5th 2011, 21:02:50

Originally posted by Pain:

Pavment 1
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Until some state highway engineer decides that section of pavement is now dangerous and removes it. So it's sort of like dead-head future 1, pavement current 1.

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Jul 6th 2011, 3:18:44

That pavement will be removed sometime in the future anyways. Wear and tear and all that...

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Jul 6th 2011, 23:46:09

Originally posted by trumper:

1. insurance shouldn't be a requirement. you ain't guaranteed anything in life, so why should a bunch of flim-flam men be guaranteed to make billions because you're a bunch of suckers.

2. a projectile person wearing a helmet is probably guaranteed to kill a non-projectile person sitting in a car who is not wearing a helmet.

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Jul 7th 2011, 12:57:37

Originally posted by Dibs Ludicrous:

Originally posted by trumper:

I already pay for enough people's stupidity through taxation so I don't need to add more. If someone wants to be stupid on a public road then they should incur the increased safety cost rather than us. Hence, insurance.

As for the projectile person with a helmet. I'm not sure I've heard of many motorcyclists crashing through windshields and killing passengers.

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Jul 8th 2011, 0:36:26

I give this argument against helmets about the same credibility I give Dale Earnhardt's argument about HANS systems when he said it's more likely to strangle him in a crash than save his life...

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Jul 10th 2011, 19:05:47

Helmets are there to save lives... why in the world would you not want to save your own life... people in cars don't wear helmets cause they got pretty much with the vehicle they are driving... motorcylists have only them and pavement.. and posibly a reoccuring motorcyle...

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Dibs Ludicrous

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Jul 10th 2011, 19:27:13

why would you assume that i was going to screw up and smash my head on the pavement? how often does it happen? can you cough up stats that state that it happens often enough that people should be required to wear a helmet?

should be stated that in the rare event that you smack your head upside the pavement, you should be wearing a helmet?

y'all are nutts.

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Jul 10th 2011, 20:31:33

i'm fairly certain that you definitely have data to suggest that a human skull smacked into a wall at 50 mph will shatter and cause all kinds of blunt trauma, but do you have enough data to suggest that the majority of people are actually dumb enough to do it, even by accident?

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Jul 11th 2011, 6:37:02

Helmets are good.

Even on bicycles I've landed on my head a few times, imagine doing that at full speed on a motorbike... (granted i probably wouldn't be doing jumps on a motorbike, but you never know)

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Dibs Ludicrous

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Jul 11th 2011, 7:12:20

i'd probably wear one, but that's not the question.
does somebody have the right to force me to wear one?
and if they have the right to use force on me, that pretty much means that i have the right to use force on them.

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Jul 11th 2011, 8:35:41

does somebody have the right to force you not to do any of various things these days? yes, because "the land of the free" is more the land of "think of the children"

if they can arrest you for public nudity, why would you think they couldn't force you to wear a helmet?

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Jul 11th 2011, 8:54:06

do you mean the 11 year olds that they're handing condoms out to?

i dunno. too many laws for me to keep track of anyway.

Edited By: Dibs Ludicrous on Jul 11th 2011, 9:14:15
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Jul 11th 2011, 9:23:18

i was thinking more of the "you can't sell video games to children" laws...

what happened to people accepting some level of responsibility for themselves and their children....

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Jul 11th 2011, 9:44:23

hampered by too many laws. if i was to treat the internet as if it was a public place, then i'd only be here to purchase something so that i could go home and use it. it's the only place where i can be free.

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Jul 12th 2011, 0:55:41

Dibs - I don't think you should HAVE to wear a helmet, just that the arguments against doing so are utterly ridiculous and speculative.

At the same time though, if you flip your bike and crack your head open like a ripe cantaloupe, I don't think anyone should be required to give a damn other than to scrape you off the freeway so you don't slow down my commute.

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Jul 12th 2011, 7:37:22

i feel the same way about any accident. though i might be losing my road rage since i gave up driving to commute.

only arguement i have is that it violates my freedom by requiring me to wear a helmet. violates my freedom by requiring me to wear a seatbelt.

the most dangerous threat to a motorcycle rider is the people in the cars who don't see them, and you're going to quibble about whether or not they need a helmet to survive that accident.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/...Chester-County-Crash.html
just to bring the thread back into alignment with it's title. why are they scraping 4 teens off the road?

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Jul 12th 2011, 15:50:23

It's Darwin's theory at work. The Stupid die, the smart live.

It's a no-brainer to know that you should wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle. I've always been in favor of not having helmet laws just for that reason.

Now, if we can only get rid of the warning label system that the government enforces and let Darwin's theory take it's true effect. Then we wouldn't have to deal with so many stupid people that are outbreeding us and outvoting us, which is exactly why the Government wants them to live, they can make a decision on a candidate with a 10 second sound bite and a flattering picture.

Down with laws that protect the stupid!

Let the kid that would have died by putting too many marbles up his nose, die, not run for President.

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Jul 12th 2011, 19:06:39

gotta agree with cerb on that. the gubmint does love them some stupid people.

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Jul 12th 2011, 19:09:59

almost all safety measures save people+government money in the long term though.

perhaps we should drop working safety regulations as well, to stop protecting stupid people

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Jul 12th 2011, 19:46:33

what's the difference in cost for a burial vs brain surgery? how you figure it saves money?

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Jul 12th 2011, 19:51:27

theres a large difference, and the only one that costs people who pay for insurance is brain surgery since insurance doesnt cover burial. unless you have life insurance that is.

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Jul 15th 2011, 1:56:25

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Jul 15th 2011, 17:16:55

Essentially what QZ said - I don't give a damn if you feel put upon being forced to do what normal/rational/intelligent people do naturally - I'll be damned if you should be allowed to waste my tax dollars by making 10 cops, 7 paramedics, a medivac copter, and enough fire trucks to put out Arianna Huffington's flames come out to scoop your brains into a Tupperware to give to your family.

If you don't want to take reasonable precautions, then I should be allowed to refuse my portion of taxes going to grant you the services you haven't earned the right to accept.

Until that happens, just quit fluffing and slap on some safety gear, and save the both of us a headache.

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Jul 15th 2011, 20:16:33

normal/rational/intelligent people? oh, you mean the socialists that are forcing you to pay for all that stuff. besides, it should be paid with insurance money, not taxes. well, maybe some out of my tobacco taxes. how much of the hospital money goes to pay unionized labor?

gawd, i hate it when the socialists complain about having to pay for something because somebody decided to use some freedom.

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Jul 15th 2011, 21:06:01

yeah...socialists are totally against the community paying for the individual....especially individuals in need of services.

That's a little dense, even for you Dibs...

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Jul 15th 2011, 21:11:05

dude, that's the way the system currently works. a bunch of people who are not going to need it pay in, so that the few who do need it can get it.

you blantantly decided to blame it on the person exercising their freedom instead of complaining that you are required to pay a bunch of socialists. you stated that the person exercising their freedom needed to change their habits because of the socialism that you have to suffer under.

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Jul 16th 2011, 0:05:51

Feel free to exercise your freedoms, just so long as you don't expect the rest of us to give a hoot if it blows up in your face unexpectedly.

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Jul 16th 2011, 0:17:49

give me the dang freedom to do it. quit requiring me to pay for your stupid ass socialist bullfluff.

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Jul 16th 2011, 0:19:23

let me drop dead and die, instead of jumping up and down on my chest and proclaiming a miracle.

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Jul 16th 2011, 0:48:24

I Am Required To Pay Into Your Delusion That You Have A Cure For Death. It's A Farking Law That Y'all Made.

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Jul 17th 2011, 3:11:46

When you bust your head open on the freeway, you're infringing on my right of me and hundreds of thousands of others to have a speedy commute ^^

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Jul 17th 2011, 5:42:59

LOL. you think it's possible to get people to pay enough attention to what they are doing to be able to get hundreds of thousands of people to do a speedy commute? do you experience any other delusions of this nature?

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Jul 17th 2011, 11:52:09

lol dibs has a point. although you have to remember he doesnt live in the northeast US like us where people are total douchebags when they drive. he lives in canada where they still ride moose to work.

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Jul 18th 2011, 17:31:33

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Jul 18th 2011, 18:24:09

Pain, i think you were talking about qzjul. i do live 25 miles from Philly and do commute to it, though i take the bus. and i am no longer a car owner. IRS, clutch, insurance and inspection, all coming due at the same time made me decide i just plain don't have the money to keep driving right now, especially since everything i need, but work is within a mile of me.

MWA! HAHAHAHHAHA! ya'll can pay for your own accidents now.

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Jul 19th 2011, 8:38:05

i was talking about qzjul. i know where you live (generally) which is why i said we have to deal with fluff drivers and he doesnt.

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Jul 19th 2011, 14:47:58

we don't have rush hour traffic in quite the same way. I can still drive across the city in 35 mins (as opposed to say 25 or 30) in rush hour....

unless some ass decides to have an accident on the freeway, then it can take like an hour and a half

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Jul 19th 2011, 15:05:18

LOL. i started questioning the wisdom of driving when i realized it took me an hour to get to work. 25 miles, 1 hour = 25 mph. in a car with a speedometer that goes up to 150 mph and tires rated for 130 mph. dang mopeds could beat me to work.

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Jul 19th 2011, 17:03:17

You guys oughta try sharing the road w/ Wisconsinites. They're not really fluffs....just completely worthless when it comes to operating a vehicle.

Right blinker, left turn ftw!!!

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Jul 19th 2011, 18:05:36

lol

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Jul 19th 2011, 20:26:06

^ wannabe Wisconsinite

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Jul 24th 2011, 8:35:36

I still say that we should allow the stupid to die, and the intelligent to live, no matter if it's inconvenient for a while, maybe even a little painful when your village idiot dies, but the world would be a better place if we allowed some chlorine to get into the gene pool.

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Jul 24th 2011, 17:44:43

Hard part, Cerb, is determining who's stupid and who's just not reaching their potential - folks thought Einstein was a waste of space for the first 1/2 of his life, and probably wouldn't have lifted a finger to save him if he needed it.

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